How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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Then they got martyred.

They washed their robes.

When an adulterous wife is caught, all the husband can think of is " i thought i knew her"
IOW....i do not know you.

You need the entire parable reframed to try and make virgins into something else.

.....which you apparently are WILLING to do
^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^

Take a shot.

Go for it
 
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DavidTree would that be a lie David tree?God knows everyone.Yes but the scriptures also say that we drown with him in baptism.In that since we where outside the ark.
Anyone who says those Left Behind to drown in the Flood were saved is a liar.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2:4-5


You better head the words of Christ and the Apostles
 
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I never give/leave a RED X on these posts unless it is so far beyond the Truth of God's Word - PLEASE review your words and realize the TRUTH - Anyone who was not in the ARK was condemned.

When the LORD says "I do not know you" HE means what HE says - "that person does not belong to HIM or HIS Kingdom
Me making you go against the bible

And you refrain from some red x?

Too funny
 
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Me making you go against the bible

And you refrain from some red x?

Anyone who says those Left Behind to drown in the Flood were saved is a liar.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2:4-5

You better head the words of Christ and the Apostles
 
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Act 15:18
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.,,,,He can't really say he knows us not and be telling the truth, only that he does not like us.
 
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Anyone who says those Left Behind to drown in the Flood is a liar.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2:4-5


You better head the words of Christ and the Apostles
Uh
The BIBLE SAYS

those left behind drowned.

You need to check out stuff before you declare it as so.
 
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Nobody says those drowning in the flood are saved.

Nobody believes that.

Nobody
 
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Act 15:18
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.,,,,He can't really say he knows us not and be telling the truth, only that he does not like us.
Have i ever given you a RED X - never until now and i like you - but speak Truth Brother and stop changing what God has spoken through HIS SON and HIS Holy Apostles.
 
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Act 15:18
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.,,,,He can't really say he knows us not and be telling the truth, only that he does not like us.
" know" has another meaning.

" mary did not 'know' a man when she carried Jesus"

"Know" in that sense, is connected to adultery.

(And fits the parable)
 
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" know" has another meaning.

" mary did not 'know' a man when she carried Jesus"

"Know" in that sense, is connected to adultery.

(And fits the parable)
EXACTLY - WAKE UP - you do not even see your error

The LORD is only coming for HIS CHURCH who HE KNOWS - MARRIAGE BED
 
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Anyone who says those Left Behind to drown in the Flood were saved is a liar.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2:4-5


You better head the words of Christ and the Apostles
I think once,,,,we have disagree.
Have i ever given you a RED X - never until now and i like you - but speak Truth Brother and stop changing what God has spoken through HIS SON and HIS Holy Apostles.
Zechariah 13:9 (ASV) And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God.That's the same amount that fell out of heaven.
 
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Have i ever given you a RED X - never until now and i like you - but speak Truth Brother and stop changing what God has spoken through HIS SON and HIS Holy Apostles.
Again

My posts are right down the middle.

Go back and look at the caliber of people that have given me a red x.

All my posts are with bible backing.
 
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EXACTLY - WAKE UP - you do not even see your error

The LORD is only coming for HIS CHURCH who HE KNOWS - MARRIAGE BED
You know exactly nothing of what i am talking about.

Go ahead and show me these heathens that have lamps, light, and the Holy Spirit.

That is what you are attempting to reframe the parable into.

Changing the bible for your doctrine
 
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I think once,,,,we have disagree.

Zechariah 13:9 (ASV) And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God.That's the same amount that fell out of heaven.
Zechariah 13:9 = These are not those who drowned in the FLOOD

And who is this third??? Jesus said who they are

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’i
 
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Zechariah 13:9 = These are not those who drowned in the FLOOD

And who is this third??? Jesus said who they are

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’i
It's a curiosity to me. I sometimes think we are both.Romans 6:3&4 Those that where baptized into Jesus christ where baptized into his death.so we drown 2 Rev 1:5 Jesus is the first begotten of the dead,,,Again their is nobody that god does not know.good or bad.To say he never knew them? That's not a fib?
 
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No it doesn't. It says Post-trib. This is why Pretribs NEVER actually post the two passages where rapture is discussed. They always post things unrelated to the rapture as their "support".

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

The resurrection only happens at the second coming and the second coming can only happen after the trib has ended, and since the verses tell us the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these verses decisively prove the rapture is post-trib not pre-trib.

It's that simple.

Christ also spoke of the rapture but used the wording of saints being gathered together, and no surprise, placed it after the end of the Great Tribulation.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation (great tribulation has ended) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (second coming reference) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (*another way to speak of the Rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

*(also see 2nd Thessalonians 2:1 for the same language regarding the Rapture)

Timing of the gathering/rapturing is exactly the same in these two passages. In both we have saved Christians being moved from one place to another and in both that happens after the tribulation has ended and when the second coming has commenced.
One insurmountable problem you face is trying to make ALL THE PRETRIB rapture verses fit into a warring desttroyed earth with no believers left and the white horses somehow force fitted into the pretrib rapture verses.

Can not be done.

Neither can any postrib rapture expert unpack rev 14.

They COMPLETELY RUN from rev 14.