No "pre-tribber" disagrees with this.
I've pointed out how even the Thessalonians
(2Th4:1) were experiencing "persecutions
and tribulations YE ENDURE"
Ever wonder why it says "through
MANY" rather than "through
ALL tribulations"??
So... even in 2Cor1:4 and 7:4 it states "in all
the tribulation OF US"
"The Church which is His body" has experienced this all throughout its entire existence on the earth SINCE THE FIRST CENTURY (Eph1:20-23
WHEN [as to its existence]).
We are not waiting for "the future 7-yr period" IN ORDER to EXPERIENCE IT.
But this still does not prove that WE ("the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are slated to be IN and A PART OF that "future [
SPECIFIC] 7-yr period," see.
It seems you are wanting to equate the word "
FIRST [adverb; G4412]" in this 1Th4:13-18 passage to the word "
FIRST [adjective; G4413] in Rev20:5,6 (in which verses,
by the way, are
NOT conveying, "this is the first time in the chronology that saints will have been resurrected" [
as you insist it's conveying!]...
NO!...
...because the
"2W" will have been resurrected from the dead
at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe" time-slot, at a point in time
COMPLETELY DISTINCT from the point in time that those "beheaded saints" [
of the 2nd half of the Trib yrs] will be resurrected, 20:4
b at the
END of the Trib);
...but this is problematic for your "post-trib
rapture" viewpoint in another way... because you must also disregard another "FIRST" word (which DOES happen at that time-slot), "[will be said to the angels/reapers] Gather/Collect ye
FIRST [adverb; G4412]
the TARES" (Matt13:
30... from a passage [
vv.24,30,39,40,49-50]
which corresponds with Matt24:
3 and
Jesus' 2-chpt RESPONSE [chpts 24&25]);
...and in this Matt13:30 context, "the righteous"
do not LIFT OFF THE EARTH (whereas it is the
"TARES" which are "gathered
OUT"!!)
i see you like to gamble and have no fear of adding your words to the words of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
"in Rev20:5,6 (in which verses,
by the way, are
NOT conveying, "this is the first time in the chronology that saints will have been resurrected" [
as you insist it's conveying!]...
NO!...
i am not a gambler - always hated it BUT this is a sure BET
And to
wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
Do you see the HOLY SPIRIT telling us to "wait for the two witnesses" = NOPE = adding to God's Words
Our Elohim = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT = Knows all things BEFORE they come to pass including the lie of pre-trib rapture.
1.) God knew of the lies satan would whisper into the ears of men/women who would desire MORE the what God has said.
satan's tactics have never changed = 2 Timothy 4:3
2.) God said HIS SAINTS are Resurrected at HIS Coming = 1 Thess 1:10 & 4:13-18 , Revelation 20:4-6
satan says "did God really say the Resurrection occurs before the rapture - God knows you can be raptured Before HIS Coming"
3.) God said the man of sin comes Before HIS Coming = Daniel ch7, Matt 24: 15 - 31, 1 John 2:18, Rev. 6:9-11, 7:13-14, 14:9-13, 20:4-6
satan says: "did God really say the Antichrist comes before HIS Coming".
4.) God says Not One of His will be left behind = 2 Timothy 2:18, Matt 24:29-31, 1 Thess 1:10, 4:13-18, Acts 1:6-7, 2 Peter 3:1-9
continue = Hebrews 10: 35-39 and James 5: 7-12
satan says: "did God really say he will leave no one behind, let me show you where He does this(misinterpret) Matt 25:1-13
5.) God says it is His HOLY SPIRIT that alone interprets His Prophetic Word thru His Faithful Chosen Witnesses - 2 Peter 1:19-21
satan says: Come on man, you have the holy spirit just as much as they do - let me show you.........
WARNING: (we should)
not follow cleverly devised fables..... - 1 Peter 1:16
BLESSING:
For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
1 Peter 16b - 18
This is a brief summary - this is not a exhaustive exposure of the lie of pre-trib rapture and the many errors connected to it.