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kinda

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Yep, the Pope can claim to be "Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh" and nobody bats an eye, but let someone ask, "Why are we not keeping the Fourth Commandment which Jesus Himself wrote with His own finger in stone before He came in the flesh and kept it as an example to us?" and everyone loses their minds.

At about age 19, I found some literature on the street corner at the beach, where someone made a list of the false teachings at most churches. One of these was the Sunday sabbath. After confirming with the dictionary what day was the seventh day, I was completely shocked that I was lied to all these years.
 

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I think even the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is false or rather inaccurate. According to the Bible the Sabbath is the seventh day after the new moon. So the Sabbath technically falls on the 8th day (8 days of creation not 7). The new moon is a Sabbath also. Yea.
 

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I think even the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is false or rather inaccurate. According to the Bible the Sabbath is the seventh day after the new moon. So the Sabbath technically falls on the 8th day (8 days of creation not 7). The new moon is a Sabbath also. Yea.
The Bible doesn't connect the weekly Sabbath to the lunar cycle, but the yearly Feast Days - which are also called "sabbaths" - are connected to it, but these "sabbaths" are "BESIDES THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THE GOD which clearly puts a distinction between the yearly Jewish and the weekly Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.
 

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At about age 19, I found some literature on the street corner at the beach, where someone made a list of the false teachings at most churches. One of these was the Sunday sabbath. After confirming with the dictionary what day was the seventh day, I was completely shocked that I was lied to all these years.
There's no such thing as a "sunday" sabbath. That is a false construct invented by SDA's and other 7th day cults (Like Hebrew Roots).

There is a such thing as worshipping on the day that the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected and NO LONGER being under the Law of Moses. You know, Real Christianity.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.



Just like Roman Catholicism has its "deal breakers" so does SDA when the Light of Christianity is shined upon it.

Of course, if you talk to Catholics about these issues, they have 1001 excuses and twists of scripture just like the SDA's.
 

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There's no such thing as a "sunday" sabbath. That is a false construct invented by SDA's and other 7th day cults (Like Hebrew Roots).
A Christian "cult" by definition is "a group that claims to follow Jesus but deviates from His instruction and example". Jesus kept the Sabbath and says "If ye love Me, keep My commandments" which includes the Fourth Commandment. How the flip does that make SDAs a "cult" if keeping Sabbath is clearly following Jesus' instruction and example???
There is a such thing as worshipping on the day that the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected and NO LONGER being under the Law of Moses. You know, Real Christianity.
The Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross but what God wrote with His finger in stone "stands fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV) and if you think it's OK to break the Ten Commandments and teach others to do so, you will split hell wide open after you beg God for forgiveness for such stupidity and receive nothing. It will never be OK to have other gods before God, engage in idolatry, blaspheme, disregard the weekly Sabbath, etc...
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Scholars agree this was a post-Sabbath "Saturday night" meeting, not a Sunday morning service, because at break of day, Paul took off on a long foot journey and the rest of the people got up and kept the first part of the Fourth commandment which is work the first six days, the first of which is Sunday. They were antinomianist pseudo-Christian rebels like you.
Just like Roman Catholicism has its "deal breakers" so does SDA when the Light of Christianity is shined upon it. Of course, if you talk to Catholics about these issues, they have 1001 excuses and twists of scripture just like the SDA's.
Someone should have told you that salvation is conditional on our repentance, not a OSAS License to Sin pipe dream. You're in for a rude awakening, pal.
 

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There's no such thing as a "sunday" sabbath. That is a false construct invented by SDA's and other 7th day cults (Like Hebrew Roots). (This was not only insulting, but completely ignorant at the same time. -kinda)

There is a such thing as worshipping on the day that the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected and NO LONGER being under the Law of Moses. You know, Real Christianity.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.



Just like Roman Catholicism has its "deal breakers" so does SDA when the Light of Christianity is shined upon it.

Of course, if you talk to Catholics about these issues, they have 1001 excuses and twists of scripture just like the SDA's.

Grandpa, I appreciate you quoting scripture, but you don't know what your talking about. No one ever said, that you can't eat, or worship on the first day. Than you go one step further and say, the Law of Moses don't pertain to believers in Christ. Acts 20:7 says nothing about teaching people not to keeping the Law of Moses.

So, your calling people who keep the Ten Commandments cult members. This shows how far Catholic doctrine has brain washed the masses. :) Get it? Masses? lol

Your entitled to believe however you want, but most of your arguments are not backed by reasonable thought.

You are just not familiar with history and will probably deny the Sunday sabbath exists (Catholic invention), even when tighter restrictions on Sundays happen in the future, if the Vatican has their way.


"The term blue law commonly refers to the prohibition of alcohol sales on Sunday, but it historically defined a body of regulations designed to preserve the Sabbath by proscribing most labor on that day.


Some such restrictions date to as early as the thirteenth century in England. "


https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1243/sunday-blue-laws


The Roman Emperor Constantine promulgated the first known law regarding prohibition of Sunday labor for apparent religion-associated reasons in 321 AD:


On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.
— Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3

The earliest laws in North America addressing Sunday activities and public behavior were enacted in the Jamestown Colony in 1619 by the First General Assembly of Virginia. Amongst the 70 laws passed by the Assembly was a mandate requiring attendance by all colonists at both morning and afternoon worship services on Sundays. The laws adopted that year also included provisions addressing idleness, gambling, drunkenness, and excessive apparel.[13] Similar laws aimed at keeping the Sabbath holy and regulating morals were soon adopted throughout the colonies.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

Blue laws, also known as Sunday laws, are laws that restrict or ban some or all Sunday activities, particularly to promote the observance of a day of rest.[1] Blue laws may also restrict shopping or ban sale of certain items on specific days, most often on Sundays in the western world. Blue laws are enforced in parts of the United States and Canada as well as some European countries, particularly in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and Norway, keeping most stores closed on Sundays.

In the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court has held blue laws as constitutional numerous times, citing secular bases such as securing a day of rest for mail carriers,[2] as well as protecting workers and families, in turn contributing to societal stability and guaranteeing the free exercise of religion.[1][3][4] The origin of the blue laws also partially stems from religion, particularly the prohibition of Sabbath desecration in Christian Churches following the first-day Sabbatarian tradition. Both labor unions and trade associations have historically supported the legislation of blue laws.[1] Most blue laws have been repealed in the United States, although many states ban selling cars and impose tighter restrictions on the sale of alcoholic drinks on Sundays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States

Have you ever heard of a “blue law”? The term was first used back in 1755. It is legislation that prohibits or restricts certain activities in order to support religious standards. In rare instances, blue laws affect activities on days other than Sunday, but the most common use is in reference to Sunday, in which case they are also known as “Sunday laws.”

The Puritans were probably the first to enforce Sunday laws on the North American continent, banning many commercial and recreational activities on Sundays during the 1600s.

Colonial America observed Sunday as a day of rest in the 18th century as well, and established laws governing its observance. These laws carried over as the new country was formed. Within 12 years of the framing of the constitution, many states had Sunday laws in effect that outlawed working, traveling, and selling goods on that day. Soon laws were added to prohibit the selling of alcoholic beverages on Sundays.

Although it might be difficult for us to imagine, in many parts of the United States during the 18th and 19th centuries, people were regularly arrested for breaking the “Sabbath.” This usually came as a result of conducting business on Sunday. These “criminals” were often fined or forced to serve a jail sentence. Well-meaning Christian societies were formed to help enforce these laws.


https://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/article-library/story/id/1840/t/what-are-blue-laws-



 

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Grandpa, I appreciate you quoting scripture, but you don't know what your talking about. No one ever said, that you can't eat, or worship on the first day. Than you go one step further and say, the Law of Moses don't pertain to believers in Christ. Acts 20:7 says nothing about teaching people not to keeping the Law of Moses.

So, your calling people who keep the Ten Commandments cult members. This shows how far Catholic doctrine has brain washed the masses. :) Get it? Masses? lol

Your entitled to believe however you want, but most of your arguments are not backed by reasonable thought.

You are just not familiar with history and will probably deny the Sunday sabbath exists (Catholic invention), even when tighter restrictions on Sundays happen in the future, if the Vatican has their way.


"The term blue law commonly refers to the prohibition of alcohol sales on Sunday, but it historically defined a body of regulations designed to preserve the Sabbath by proscribing most labor on that day.


Some such restrictions date to as early as the thirteenth century in England. "

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1243/sunday-blue-laws


The Roman Emperor Constantine promulgated the first known law regarding prohibition of Sunday labor for apparent religion-associated reasons in 321 AD:


On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.
— Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3

The earliest laws in North America addressing Sunday activities and public behavior were enacted in the Jamestown Colony in 1619 by the First General Assembly of Virginia. Amongst the 70 laws passed by the Assembly was a mandate requiring attendance by all colonists at both morning and afternoon worship services on Sundays. The laws adopted that year also included provisions addressing idleness, gambling, drunkenness, and excessive apparel.[13] Similar laws aimed at keeping the Sabbath holy and regulating morals were soon adopted throughout the colonies.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

Blue laws, also known as Sunday laws, are laws that restrict or ban some or all Sunday activities, particularly to promote the observance of a day of rest.[1] Blue laws may also restrict shopping or ban sale of certain items on specific days, most often on Sundays in the western world. Blue laws are enforced in parts of the United States and Canada as well as some European countries, particularly in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and Norway, keeping most stores closed on Sundays.

In the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court has held blue laws as constitutional numerous times, citing secular bases such as securing a day of rest for mail carriers,[2] as well as protecting workers and families, in turn contributing to societal stability and guaranteeing the free exercise of religion.[1][3][4] The origin of the blue laws also partially stems from religion, particularly the prohibition of Sabbath desecration in Christian Churches following the first-day Sabbatarian tradition. Both labor unions and trade associations have historically supported the legislation of blue laws.[1] Most blue laws have been repealed in the United States, although many states ban selling cars and impose tighter restrictions on the sale of alcoholic drinks on Sundays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States

Have you ever heard of a “blue law”? The term was first used back in 1755. It is legislation that prohibits or restricts certain activities in order to support religious standards. In rare instances, blue laws affect activities on days other than Sunday, but the most common use is in reference to Sunday, in which case they are also known as “Sunday laws.”

The Puritans were probably the first to enforce Sunday laws on the North American continent, banning many commercial and recreational activities on Sundays during the 1600s.

Colonial America observed Sunday as a day of rest in the 18th century as well, and established laws governing its observance. These laws carried over as the new country was formed. Within 12 years of the framing of the constitution, many states had Sunday laws in effect that outlawed working, traveling, and selling goods on that day. Soon laws were added to prohibit the selling of alcoholic beverages on Sundays.

Although it might be difficult for us to imagine, in many parts of the United States during the 18th and 19th centuries, people were regularly arrested for breaking the “Sabbath.” This usually came as a result of conducting business on Sunday. These “criminals” were often fined or forced to serve a jail sentence. Well-meaning Christian societies were formed to help enforce these laws.

https://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/article-library/story/id/1840/t/what-are-blue-laws-
Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.


There has already been a "sect" of the Pharisees which command believers to keep the law of Moses. Sect, cult, same difference.


What was the REAL Christians response to this?

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


It appears I'm familiar with history, here. Maybe you aren't?



Some churches DO claim that the sabbath has changed from saturday to sunday. That doesn't mean its correct.

Nowhere in Scripture does it show that the 7th day sabbath has changed.

But WORSHIP of CHRIST, the Coming Together of the Saints, is on the First Day, The Day Christ Resurrected.


John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
 

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did anyone answer the weetbix question?

Where in the Bible is it commanded to eat cold cereal out of a box for breakfast.
 

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A Christian "cult" by definition is "a group that claims to follow Jesus but deviates from His instruction and example". Jesus kept the Sabbath and says "If ye love Me, keep My commandments" which includes the Fourth Commandment. How the flip does that make SDAs a "cult" if keeping Sabbath is clearly following Jesus' instruction and example???
If keeping a saturday sabbath was instructed by Christ then your argument would hold water.

As it is, your argument is a sieve.

Jesus said "If you love Me, keep my commandments". You WRONGLY conflate that with the 10 commandments. Just like you purposely conflate MOST scriptures.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

That's different than the 10 commandments, isn't it? What were Christs words?

The Mosaic Law was nailed to the Cross but what God wrote with His finger in stone "stands fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV) and if you think it's OK to break the Ten Commandments and teach others to do so, you will split hell wide open after you beg God for forgiveness for such stupidity and receive nothing. It will never be OK to have other gods before God, engage in idolatry, blaspheme, disregard the weekly Sabbath, etc...
The Lord Jesus said Not One Jot or Tittle will fall from the Law until All is Fulfilled.

So how in the Wide World of Sports was the Mosaic Law nailed to the Cross but other parts of your carnal understanding of the Law still stand???

Its because you do, in fact, have other gods before God. Just as your predecessors have resisted the Holy Spirit, so do you.

You prefer your own understanding of the 10 commandments to Coming to Christ.

Be Perfect as your Father in Heaven is Perfect. Are you keeping that 7th day sabbath PERFECTLY? Are you stoking any fires on that day? Such as heating your house or your church, either directly with a flame or indirectly with electricity that was produced from a flame? How about driving around on the 7th day? Do you have an internal combustion engine in that vehicle? That's fire... Is it an electric vehicle? Is the electricity produced by a flame?

Do you teach that some of those things are OK???

I certainly do NOT. If you are going to work at the 10 commandments then you must keep them PERFECTLY. Otherwise, you don't really keep ANY commandments. You just self-proclaim PERFECTION and OBEDIENCE to the 10 commandments. Pretend self righteousness. Present that to God and see what happens...

Scholars agree this was a post-Sabbath "Saturday night" meeting, not a Sunday morning service, because at break of day, Paul took off on a long foot journey and the rest of the people got up and kept the first part of the Fourth commandment which is work the first six days, the first of which is Sunday. They were antinomianist pseudo-Christian rebels like you.
Sounds more like your imagination and wishful thinking to me.

Someone should have told you that salvation is conditional on our repentance, not a OSAS License to Sin pipe dream. You're in for a rude awakening, pal.
People have been trying to tell me that Salvation and Christianity is all kinds of humanistic garbage.

Once you have been to Christ you learn to discern Truth from Peshitta...:ROFL:

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Uh-oh. Looks like your argument is with scripture (like usual), not me.
 

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(Please read the green comments. -kinda)

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
There has already been a "sect" of the Pharisees which command believers to keep the law of Moses. Sect, cult, same difference.
What was the REAL Christians response to this?
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
It appears I'm familiar with history, here. Maybe you aren't? (After I proved you wrong, you change direction. -kinda)
Some churches DO claim that the sabbath has changed from saturday to sunday. That doesn't mean its correct. (Absolutely, but you just said in an earlier post, that the Sunday sabbath doesn't exist. Well it has existed for a very long time, and you falsely claimed it was "invented by Seventh Day Adventist Cults". You have a history of just saying things that sound good to you, but are not true. It's really hard to have a discussion with someone, who constantly changes their mind on what side of a topic they are in, than you claim I don't know history. I don't find this discussion very engaging. It seems you just have an axe to grind with people who have the Testimony of Jesus Christ and keep His Commandments.)


Nowhere in Scripture does it show that the 7th day sabbath has changed. (Your point? Just to remind you, you are in a Seventh Day Adventist Thread. You don't think Seventh Day Adventists know this?!?!)

But WORSHIP of CHRIST, the Coming Together of the Saints, is on the First Day, The Day Christ Resurrected. (Did anyone say, you couldn't?)


John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want Grandpa.

Jesus who was also a Jewish Rabbi, taught The Law of Moses to not murder, to not commit adultery, and so on. Are you saying, as long as your in Christ, it's o.k. to murder? By the way, Peter was known to blurt things out without thinking sometimes, sometimes he was right, sometimes he was wrong. He even denied Christ three times. Jesus taught the Law of Moses, so the Law is good, and I would encourage others to see where the Law can be applied to your lives.

The Ten Commandments were once placed in the public school system in America, so I see the Law as good. Have you taken a look at the public school system in America now? They could really use those Ten Commandments again.

Would you say, Peter taught to abolish the Law of Moses? This would be in absolute disagreement with Jesus.


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e]

28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5&version=NIV
 

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You are entitled to believe whatever you want Grandpa.

Jesus who was also a Jewish Rabbi, taught The Law of Moses to not murder, to not commit adultery, and so on. Are you saying, as long as your in Christ, it's o.k. to murder? By the way, Peter was known to blurt things out without thinking sometimes, sometimes he was right, sometimes he was wrong. He even denied Christ three times. Jesus taught the Law of Moses, so the Law is good, and I would encourage others to see where the Law can be applied to your lives.

The Ten Commandments were once placed in the public school system in America, so I see the Law as good. Have you taken a look at the public school system in America now? They could really use those Ten Commandments again.

Would you say, Peter taught to abolish the Law of Moses? This would be in absolute disagreement with Jesus.


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Murder
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e]

28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5&version=NIV
Peter wasn't the only one who told Pharisees that the Mosaic Law, with its 10 commandments, don't apply to Christians.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


So, when the Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, what changed?

Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Uh-oh. It seems you don't understand Christianity at all.


When the Lord Jesus becomes our High Priest there is a disannulling of the Commandments going before because of their Weakness and Unprofitableness.

Romans 8:1-5
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
 

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Rome doesn't exist anymore?
Romulus and Remus were said to have been raised by a wolf until they were found by a farmer. eventually Remus was either directly or indirectly killed by Romulus who founded Rome and was the first king, interesting. :unsure:
 

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I think even the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is false or rather inaccurate. According to the Bible the Sabbath is the seventh day after the new moon. So the Sabbath technically falls on the 8th day (8 days of creation not 7). The new moon is a Sabbath also. Yea.
And can fall any day of the month each month.
 

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The Bible doesn't connect the weekly Sabbath to the lunar cycle, but the yearly Feast Days - which are also called "sabbaths" - are connected to it, but these "sabbaths" are "BESIDES THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THE GOD which clearly puts a distinction between the yearly Jewish and the weekly Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.
Well the day doesn't begin at sunset it begins at dawn and in the story of creation it says morning evening morning first day etc so at least this much is wrong so the sunset to sunset is off?
 

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Well the day doesn't begin at sunset it begins at dawn and in the story of creation it says morning evening morning first day etc so at least this much is wrong so the sunset to sunset is off?
Nah, Genesis plainly says "the evening and the morning" which is clearly an order of events: first comes the dark part of the day, followed by the light part.

The evening begins as the sun sets and continues through the dark of night, followed by the morning which breaks at dawn and continues until dusk.
 

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Nah, Genesis plainly says "the evening and the morning" which is clearly an order of events: first comes the dark part of the day, followed by the light part.

The evening begins as the sun sets and continues through the dark of night, followed by the morning which breaks at dawn and continues until dusk.
nope, there's only a gap because a verse number was inserted but otherwise it would be morning evening morning first day
 

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 1&version=KJV

Not sure what you two are arguing about, but here is Genesis Chapter 1.

The Jews have been keeping the sabbath for longer than any other people as far as I know, they typically start the sabbath Friday night by lighting the candles, goto to temple Saturday morning (sometimes go back to temple a few times, they are extremely long services), and sabbath ends at Saturday evening.

Happy Sabbath!
 

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 1&version=KJV
light dark light = morning evening morning = first day

day begins at dawn

Yep, its right there in the verses and no one is arguing.
 

kinda

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I think even the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is false or rather inaccurate. According to the Bible the Sabbath is the seventh day after the new moon. So the Sabbath technically falls on the 8th day (8 days of creation not 7). The new moon is a Sabbath also. Yea.

light dark light = morning evening morning = first day

day begins at dawn

Yep, its right there in the verses and no one is arguing.

You can believe what you want. How is that? :)

Ohhhh, I get it. You are building this straw man argument to give credibility to a Sunday sabbath. Nice try! I honestly didn't know what your point was.

I remember my cousin trying to disprove the Bible using Genesis 1.

Can I ask which website you found this gem at ("light dark light = morning evening morning = first day") , or did you figure this out on your own?