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Well since Im the giving the reps I would suppose thats up to me now isn't it?! I've been here a while,I think I know how the system works,thanks. Three brothers rep-ed me and I appreciate their posts and was responding in kind. Is that ok with you? CC needs to ditch the reps.People think its some popularity contest. I couldn't even tell you what my reps are. smh
for us, 'reps' are definitely not to be sought, but very much appreciated for the
fellowship that fills our hearts with a certain joy from others truly understanding
where our hearts are coming from and also for being in agreement and being an
encouragement to one another and to ourselves at the same time...
if the heart is in the right place, then only good can come from sharing unity
about a certain subject or shared knowledge and experiences...
fellowship that fills our hearts with a certain joy from others truly understanding
where our hearts are coming from and also for being in agreement and being an
encouragement to one another and to ourselves at the same time...
if the heart is in the right place, then only good can come from sharing unity
about a certain subject or shared knowledge and experiences...
its even that they have issues with the prophets who were always saying, the promises were for the jew first and then would be given to the gentile, because the jews were no different than gentile in that all alike were under sin.
Pauls understanding, is from the scriptures of the prophets, God gave Him revelation to understand them, that Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophets promises that the Messiah, would be sent to Israel, rejected and killed by Jew and gentile and He would forgive them all. the Jews who had the law, accused and plotted and unjustly condemned the messiah who was the fulfilment of the law they used to condemn Him.
yet gentile roman soldiers beat, moicked, spit on, whipped and crucified Jesus as Jewish proieast and elders had done before beating Him, mocking Him, spitting on Him , falsely accusing Him, and unjustly condemning Him. Jesus was also crudified first of the Jew, and then of the gentile. as well as asfter the jews had condemned Jesus. Pilate the roman prefect, pushed by the laws keepers the priests and pharisees and all the people, as the priests had done, condemns Jesus Knowing there was no cause.
because were all Guilty of " crucifying Gods Word " and all forgiven By Him, we are all then included in the same promises He made.
the same things peter was saying is the thing though, paul is no more or less to either a gentile or a jew. its the gospel they were preaching. Keep in Mind that Jesus, was already teaching them He would die and raise up. nothing that He taught not one teaching is removed by His death, the law of Moses is. from the beginning of Jesus ministry forward is the gospel, it doesnt end with Jesus words it begins there and is established there.
all of the apostles were sent to anyone who would Listen. not with the Mosaic Law, but with the gospel and the doctrine of Jesus Christ. you have to Have Jesus words as the foundation, or paul will be distorted. many people think pauls words omit things Jesus said, they do not, they are helpin the church understand the things He said and How they apply to them. and Giving insight into what Moses and the prophets were always saying about the christ.
from matthew 1 forward paul contradicts nothing, and omits nothing. His letters are only a glimpse into His doctrine. to Know pauls cmplete doctrine One needs to ad the Gospel of Luke into it, the Gospel of John into it, the epistles of Peter into it, and pray always for undertanding. theres no difference who speaks the gospel, peter, paul. Jesus, John. some unknown man in witchitaw Kansas, or in ethiopea.....what matters is, does it agree with the things Jesus taught, you dont have to quote it, but the same principles.
repent and turn to God, believing in Jesus Christ, Knowing God raised Him from the dead after He died to remove our sentance of death and learn and follow the gospel.
as many as like to take a few of pauls verses explaining that grace omits or changes anything, do not grasp Gods Grace changes the man, not Gods word.
all of the apostles were sent to anyone who would Listen. not with the Mosaic Law, but with the gospel and the doctrine of Jesus Christ. you have to Have Jesus words as the foundation, or paul will be distorted. many people think pauls words omit things Jesus said, they do not, they are helpin the church understand the things He said and How they apply to them. and Giving insight into what Moses and the prophets were always saying about the christ.
from matthew 1 forward paul contradicts nothing, and omits nothing. His letters are only a glimpse into His doctrine. to Know pauls cmplete doctrine One needs to ad the Gospel of Luke into it, the Gospel of John into it, the epistles of Peter into it, and pray always for undertanding. theres no difference who speaks the gospel, peter, paul. Jesus, John. some unknown man in witchitaw Kansas, or in ethiopea.....what matters is, does it agree with the things Jesus taught, you dont have to quote it, but the same principles.
repent and turn to God, believing in Jesus Christ, Knowing God raised Him from the dead after He died to remove our sentance of death and learn and follow the gospel.
as many as like to take a few of pauls verses explaining that grace omits or changes anything, do not grasp Gods Grace changes the man, not Gods word.
I would agree and add, the 12 are not all of the apostles listed in the new testament but a mere remnant of the whole .There are 25 that are explicitly listed.
I would agree the number word twelve is the special word.... not the word apostle which simply means sent one with no addition meaning added .
All prophets are considered sent ones. Abel was sent by God with prophecy. Cain the marked man found no worth in the hearing of faith and is marked as a restless wander (No Sabbath rest from the gospel) . We are to buy spiritual truth and not sell it, not like Esau another marked man (666) who sold the birth right for a cup of soup.
There is nothing special about the feet of an apostles that could make the beautiful other than if they are shod with the gospel .It’s not their mind they are sent with that is special, scripture reveals the mind of Christ .Not the mind of James or Paul , apostles. Again the word twelve is set aside in parable to give us a special spiritual understanding hid from natural man (666) not a division between the apostles. as if what God calls one Satan tries to divide. Its his MO to call separate what God joins together, and what God calls separate he the anti christ is working to join it together . The veil is rent. The antichrists try to give the illusion it is whole.
The Catholics do that with the apostles make then venerable as a succession of men called a "law of the fathers" in the scripture. Apostolic succession to them .They are worshippable ones that the non venerable pew Catholics must seek the approval of as if they had the approval of God in effect talking away the approval we seek of coming from the Holy Spirit.
God is not served by human hands.Its what he sends the apostles with (the gospel ) as that which is special. Never men
Pitting Paul against James, or Peter, against John as if we wrestle against flesh and blood .I would think our GPS, God's Program Setting would be require....re calculating do a 180 degree and look to the one meaning of the word apostle.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.1Co 3:3
I would agree the number word twelve is the special word.... not the word apostle which simply means sent one with no addition meaning added .
All prophets are considered sent ones. Abel was sent by God with prophecy. Cain the marked man found no worth in the hearing of faith and is marked as a restless wander (No Sabbath rest from the gospel) . We are to buy spiritual truth and not sell it, not like Esau another marked man (666) who sold the birth right for a cup of soup.
There is nothing special about the feet of an apostles that could make the beautiful other than if they are shod with the gospel .It’s not their mind they are sent with that is special, scripture reveals the mind of Christ .Not the mind of James or Paul , apostles. Again the word twelve is set aside in parable to give us a special spiritual understanding hid from natural man (666) not a division between the apostles. as if what God calls one Satan tries to divide. Its his MO to call separate what God joins together, and what God calls separate he the anti christ is working to join it together . The veil is rent. The antichrists try to give the illusion it is whole.
The Catholics do that with the apostles make then venerable as a succession of men called a "law of the fathers" in the scripture. Apostolic succession to them .They are worshippable ones that the non venerable pew Catholics must seek the approval of as if they had the approval of God in effect talking away the approval we seek of coming from the Holy Spirit.
God is not served by human hands.Its what he sends the apostles with (the gospel ) as that which is special. Never men
Pitting Paul against James, or Peter, against John as if we wrestle against flesh and blood .I would think our GPS, God's Program Setting would be require....re calculating do a 180 degree and look to the one meaning of the word apostle.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.1Co 3:3
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12 tribes of Israel isthe root of the number 12.
12 tribes of the first covenant, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb. that makes 24 elders around the throne. it covers the 12 gates, and the 12 pillars in the new jerusalem with thier 24 names. apostleship, is when Jesus chooses you face to face, everyone is not an apostle.
there are 12 men in the bible, that Jesus gives the Great commission to. the eleven ramaining after Judas betrays and is lost, and the apostle paul. which Jesus came to face to face after the resurrection like the other 11, and commissioned Him to carry His gospel to Jew and gentile. apostles were all 12 chosen personally by Jesus and commissioned personally by Jesus. they didnt receive thier call from anyone that God was working through. Paul Like the other 11 were taught the gospel by Jesus personally.
there are 12 apostles. those who have seen the risen Lord face to face, and who he commissioned with apostleship which only He himslef can give.Paul is the 12th because the apostles chose a replacement by casting Lots. Jesus then chooses Paul, who was guilty in the stoning of stephen and the churches main opponent. were all disciples and commisioned to share the gospel. but the apostles penned the scripture. when paul is teaching that were dead to the Law, its because the authority and understanding of that, was Given by revelation of Jesus Christ to Him.
we all have different roles. Jesus is the One apostle of God,or " the One God sent" and the 12 apostles are the apostles of the Lamb chosen by Him and sent by Him.
24 elders 12 of the first testament, 12 of the new testament. 12 tribes for Israel, united with the 12 apostles of the Lamb to all nations, tribes, people, language. One church, One people One shepherd, One Lord, One spirit, One God above all. Gods Plan from the beginning.
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They are meaningless except for encouragement,thats how I see it. Ive gotten some encouragement on days I really needed a kind word and brother and sister old&new have a gift of encouragement.I try to give the same to others and I need to do that more so when I agree with a comment. Otherwise they are kind of like those monopoly tabs Mc Donalds gives out,you collect a butt load of them and they're utterly useless.
12 tribes of Israel isthe root of the number 12.
Twelve represents the authority of God as to whatever is in view .And in this case whether it represent gates or walls of the ccity of Christ prepared and His bride the church.
12 tribes of the first covenant, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb. that makes 24 elders around the throne. it covers the 12 gates, and the 12 pillars in the new jerusalem with thier 24 names. apostleship, is when Jesus chooses you face to face, everyone is not an apostle.
The word twelve is signified representing the authority of God as to whatever is in vein .
The gates and walls are as if it one authority seeing it represent one wife of Christ.
It is not the gates represented by tribes have this kind of measurement and the walls represented by the word apostle another. but together give the whole
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Not the measurement of God the city prepared as His eternal bride represents new born again souls not inches and feet.(man's measurement)
Together they make up the whole church as His eternal bride. She is signified be the word hundred and forty and four thousand. Using the word thousand to express an unknown, not revealed .
God does not number His people .Without parables he spoke not hiding the spiritual understanding from natural man revealing it to His bride the church.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
The above includes every born again believer from the beginning of time of all nations to include the Jewish nation.
Some take the Jew and try and make the number 1444,000 at literal number of Jewish men that never had sex with human woman., even knowing we are no longer of the flesh and not considered male and female Jew or Gentile .
But it is clearly the chaste virgin bride of Christ in view (Christians) . She is not removed from the book of Revelation for any period of time. it the context of the signified language that many ignore .Christ creating a new bride according to the numbering of His Spirit not the number of man..He does not give exact numbers in that way.
She is signified as a 1444,000 the whole bride is made of gates and walls. Again the word gates and walls according to the unknown number of people .Old testament saints represented by gates and the new testament represented by those sent out of the gates, the same one bride of Christ
Twelve represents the authority of God as to whatever is in view .And in this case whether it represent gates or walls of the ccity of Christ prepared and His bride the church.
12 tribes of the first covenant, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb. that makes 24 elders around the throne. it covers the 12 gates, and the 12 pillars in the new jerusalem with thier 24 names. apostleship, is when Jesus chooses you face to face, everyone is not an apostle.
The word twelve is signified representing the authority of God as to whatever is in vein .
The gates and walls are as if it one authority seeing it represent one wife of Christ.
It is not the gates represented by tribes have this kind of measurement and the walls represented by the word apostle another. but together give the whole
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Not the measurement of God the city prepared as His eternal bride represents new born again souls not inches and feet.(man's measurement)
Together they make up the whole church as His eternal bride. She is signified be the word hundred and forty and four thousand. Using the word thousand to express an unknown, not revealed .
God does not number His people .Without parables he spoke not hiding the spiritual understanding from natural man revealing it to His bride the church.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
The above includes every born again believer from the beginning of time of all nations to include the Jewish nation.
Some take the Jew and try and make the number 1444,000 at literal number of Jewish men that never had sex with human woman., even knowing we are no longer of the flesh and not considered male and female Jew or Gentile .
But it is clearly the chaste virgin bride of Christ in view (Christians) . She is not removed from the book of Revelation for any period of time. it the context of the signified language that many ignore .Christ creating a new bride according to the numbering of His Spirit not the number of man..He does not give exact numbers in that way.
She is signified as a 1444,000 the whole bride is made of gates and walls. Again the word gates and walls according to the unknown number of people .Old testament saints represented by gates and the new testament represented by those sent out of the gates, the same one bride of Christ
The Holy Spirit teaches all men personally.
The loving commandment is to study to seek His approval not the approval of sinful men, (apostles) That's a Catholic design to seek the approval of men, a result of walking by sight and not the faith alone that comes from hearing God through the scriptures..
2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If he gives it to the twelve a remnant of all the apostles listed then he gives it to as many as he sends, therefore giving rise to the meaning of the word apostle “sent ones” not venerable ones as the Catholic who walks by sight must believe..
He sent them out two by two according to the proper binding and loosening law that many turn upside down and trust the error that the King James and many other translation misinterpretations..
`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.Mathew 18:18 YLT
Mat 18:18 KJ Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
We are not to think of the apostles above that which is written or equal to it .
No man can serve two teaching masters.Its either the eternal things of God not seen or the temporal thing of man seen.
It’s not the minds of the apostles as private interpretations of men that are revealed when they bring prophecy.
Pitting an apostle against a another apostles I am afraid some have fell into the hands of the enemy the father of lies .
Christ the one author and finisher is not divided.
His interpretation the Bible is not made up of the private interpretations of men. God is of one mind and always does what so ever His soul pleases.
If any man declares the word of God having a desire to do so makes that person a apostles. Adding meaning to the word simply destroys the author’s intent. which is not to glory in the flesh of his disciples and he sends them out as apostles.
The loving commandment is to study to seek His approval not the approval of sinful men, (apostles) That's a Catholic design to seek the approval of men, a result of walking by sight and not the faith alone that comes from hearing God through the scriptures..
2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If he gives it to the twelve a remnant of all the apostles listed then he gives it to as many as he sends, therefore giving rise to the meaning of the word apostle “sent ones” not venerable ones as the Catholic who walks by sight must believe..
He sent them out two by two according to the proper binding and loosening law that many turn upside down and trust the error that the King James and many other translation misinterpretations..
`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.Mathew 18:18 YLT
Mat 18:18 KJ Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
We are not to think of the apostles above that which is written or equal to it .
No man can serve two teaching masters.Its either the eternal things of God not seen or the temporal thing of man seen.
It’s not the minds of the apostles as private interpretations of men that are revealed when they bring prophecy.
Pitting an apostle against a another apostles I am afraid some have fell into the hands of the enemy the father of lies .
Christ the one author and finisher is not divided.
His interpretation the Bible is not made up of the private interpretations of men. God is of one mind and always does what so ever His soul pleases.
If any man declares the word of God having a desire to do so makes that person a apostles. Adding meaning to the word simply destroys the author’s intent. which is not to glory in the flesh of his disciples and he sends them out as apostles.