"I have said, Ye are gods..."

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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...

 
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ELECT

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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...

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ELECT

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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...

Where do dreams come from and what is there purpose ?
 
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Where do dreams come from and what is there purpose ?
I believe that our dreams are from God. What if we are the gods of an eternal world in our dreams?
 

Zmouth

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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
-Psalm 82:6
If you were born of the Spirit and the Word you would have been born of a male and a female. But if you can't piece it together need to ask the Holy Ghost to teach you.
 

elf3

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I am not sure about the Psalm you quoted (I'll have to study that reference). John 10:34 Jesus uses the term "gods" to refer to the title of "judge". During that time judges were referred to as "gods" because they were the ones to convict or not convict a person. A person's life could be in their hands depending on the verdict. This is the context of the word "gods" in John 10:34.

We are not "gods" in the sense that we think of as "gods". This type of thinking is very Jehovahs Witness as they say we are all "gods" by using John 10:34 out of context.
 

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Psalm 82:6, "Yahweh stands in the assembly of the gods (elohim), and He gives judgment among the gods (elohim)! Yahweh says: How long will you defend the unjust, and show partiality to the sinners? You should defend the weak and fatherless! You should maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed! You should rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked. You know nothing, you understand nothing; you walk about in darkness, and all the foundations of the earth are shaken because of you! I have said: You are gods, you sons of the Most High; And like Adam you will die. Just like all the other rulers, you will fall. Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth! For You shall forcefully seize all nations!"

Genesis 6:1-, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them, That the sons of the gods (elohim) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And Yahweh said: The men of this world will never subject themselves to My word, for they are indeed carnally minded. Thus, their days shall be one hundred and twenty years. There were tyrants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the gods (elohim) came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty ones who are enemies of Yahweh--men which from even the days of old were known as men of an infamous name. Then Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and every intent of the thoughts of man'sheart was only evil, continually."

 

Zmouth

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We are physical formed form massless particles called photons. These massless form is 'spirit' as 1 John 5:8And there are three that bear witness in earth, [flesh] the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The spirit is ionized air. The water is ionized and the blood is ionized.
 

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We are physical formed form massless particles called photons. These massless form is 'spirit' as 1 John 5:8And there are three that bear witness in earth, [flesh] the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The spirit is ionized air. The water is ionized and the blood is ionized.
Um...what? Where do you get that from? Besides it having nothing to do with the OP.
 

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I also read that 'gods' can be translated 'pagan deities'. How fitting that would be to describe men as 'gods unto themselves' before redemption.
romans 10:30. Man attempting to establish his own righteousmness. Playing God for sure. Arrogance established.
 
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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...

Jesus' audience in John 10 would have likely understood Psalm 82 to be talking about righteous/unrighteous judges of Torah (see the Targum rendering of Psalm 82). Any of Jesus' comments should be taken in light of the context of his audience's (and very likely his own) understanding of the meaning of Psalm 82.

Targum Psalm 82:
1. A hymn composed by Asaph. God, his presence abides in the assembly of the righteous who are strong in Torah; he will give judgment in the midst of the righteous judges.
2. How long, O wicked, will you judge falsely, and lift up the faces of the wicked forever?
3. Judge the poor and the orphan; acquit the needy and the poor.
4. Save the poor and needy, from the hands of the wicked deliver them.
5. They do not know how to do good, and they do not understand the Torah, they walk in darkness; because of this, the pillars of the earth’s foundations shake.
6. I said, “You are reckoned as angels, and all of you are like angels of the height.”
7. But truly you will die like the sons of men; and like one of the leaders you will fall.
8. Arise, O Lord, judge all the inhabitants of the earth; for you will possess all the Gentiles.

One line of thinking is that his opponents considered themselves to be the people in view in PS 82. They were the righteous judges of Torah, and were called "sons of God" in the Psalm, so how much more does Jesus deserved to be called God's Son (especially as the term is used in John's gospel) considering that he is the Word in the flesh (Jn 1)? Further, just as the judges in Psalm 82 fail, Jesus' opponents in Jn 10 will fail at their own discernment and judgement of who Jesus is. John 10 both elevates Jesus above his opponents in terms of his being the Word in the flesh, and deserving of the title "Son of God" while also humbling his opponents indicating that they have failed in their mission as handlers of Torah.
 
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Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

Wow, more words religious people choke on. You see in this verse it has a grossly mistranslated Hebrew word. The translators were clearly choking on what it said in their minds and changed it to something else they thought was safer. The Hebrew word translated as “angels” is the same word “‘ĕlôhı̂ym” that is normally translated as a name of God. This verse in the original Hebrew is calling Adam a little bit lower than the Most High God. A little bit means a very small peck down the ladder and not a vast expanse of difference. Man was made a little lower than God and he fell down below the angels when Adam sinned. This verse says that “Man” was crowned. To be crowned means to be given “royal authority” and “sovereign authorization” or “power”. The term to be crowned with glory and honor is very significant and implies many good things were given to man by God.

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We are physical formed form massless particles called photons. These massless form is 'spirit' as 1 John 5:8And there are three that bear witness in earth, [flesh] the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The spirit is ionized air. The water is ionized and the blood is ionized.
I don't understand...
 

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I also read that 'gods' can be translated 'pagan deities'. How fitting that would be to describe men as 'gods unto themselves' before redemption.
romans 10:30. Man attempting to establish his own righteousmness. Playing God for sure. Arrogance established.
Romans 10:30?
 

elf3

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I also read that 'gods' can be translated 'pagan deities'. How fitting that would be to describe men as 'gods unto themselves' before redemption.
romans 10:30. Man attempting to establish his own righteousmness. Playing God for sure. Arrogance established.
Yet you may want to repost as there is no Romans 10:30.
 

elf3

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The reference of "gods" in Psalm 82:6 is the same type of "judge" reference as in John 10:34. JimmieD does a good job explaining in his post. (I did what I said and studied the reference).
 
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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

-Psalm 82:6

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

-John 10:33-34

What is your interpretation of this verse? I have this idea that we are all gods of our own worlds that we visit in our dreams, and we commune here on earth...

"gods" as opposed to "mortals" -- in the sense that whoever believes shall not die/perish but will live forever. Which leads us to another question: Is the simple ACTION of saying out loud: "Yes I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the son of God, Savior of my soul [and so on]"

Does that automatically change a "mortal" into an "immortal"? Obviously there's more to Faith than confessing that Christ is the Lord (re: the concept of Fate/Destiny which I'm about to touch on in the following paragraph)... but that's out of the scope of this discussion.

Also, "gods" in the sense that we are the ones who came (to planet Earth) from the Father... as opposed to those who came from the Devil. The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. (Matthew 13:24-30)

But still the bottom line remains that in the end, when it's all said and done, PERCEPTION = REALITY. And by that I mean, whether we claim (or simply believe, without saying it out loud) that we are "gods"; it won't matter in the end unless the world can see it themselves, so much as to say: "Indeed, these people are not like us. They are gods." ("gods" being the word of choice in some parts of the world, while others say "kings", or "children of God", the "anointed ones", the "blessed ones" and so on... depending on the culture and other factors.)

We believe in things we do not see, but they must see in order to believe. And it is important that I remind us this: They are our audience, the witnesses whose testimony about us will either please Him who sent us, or displease Him... which none of us wants. We want this story to be a success, and that's what it will be because, as someone else once told me, "Where there's a will, there's a way."
 
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no. the closest on earth is seen in the underground church, ekklesia, immersed in Jesus all the time,
who others outside(of ekklesia) watching them, watching their lives every day,

say "THEY HAVE BEEN WITH GOD". AND "THEY LOVE unselfishly one another and they love generously strangers even"

if a member in ekklesia is praised or worshiped or called a god, they immediately say NO! there is only ONE GOD and HE is the ONLY ONE to worship and to serve.

the men who accept the praise of men are cast down by the One True God Yahweh, as Yeshua blasted the scribes and the pharisees (priests and pastors today) who loved the attention of man instead of loving God.
 
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if a member in ekklesia is praised or worshiped or called a god, they immediately say NO! there is only ONE GOD and HE is the ONLY ONE to worship and to serve.
the men who accept the praise of men are cast down by the One True God Yahweh, as Yeshua blasted the scribes and the pharisees (priests and pastors today) who loved the attention of man instead of loving God.
Fact is, if you're out there seeking "the attention of man" your story cannot and will not be a success. Do you think our audience are "stupid"? (forgive the word). The crowd of witnesses that surrounds us is made of very, very intelligent folks, and it would be a big mistake to underestimate how good they are at discerning true "gods" from "pharisees" (as you describe them above.)

But I do agree with you... about the best way to react: "NO! There is only ONE GOD and He is the only one to worship and serve."

A boastful mindset is guarantee for a disastrous story/legacy. It would've been better for this person to have never believed in the first place.

However, as unfortunate as it is, these cases will happen, because not all the "gods" are true "gods". This whole planet was meant to be a Paradise (i.e. the Kingdom of God), but then the Devil came along, and he planted his own seeds. In the same way, Satan is smart enough to also penetrate the ranks of the so-called "gods". That's why it would be naive to trust anyone, and regrettably "stupid" to open one's mouth and start gulping praises that are exclusively meant for the Lord our God, whom we serve.
 
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i don't know what religion you've learned from, but it is awkward at best (to me; seems a bit awkward).... no worries if it is in truth. .... it sounds like an offshoot from the heathen heresy of jehovah's witness group.... good if it is not; just trying to clarify, instead of ending up going down a rabbit trail whether 2 posts or 2000 posts (as often has happened on many forums including this one.... whole lives spent for day/ weeks/ years following a lie that is covered up.... )....

stick with Scripture. test everything. verify everything. trust God. don't trust men.