I think we are forgetting something in our discussions.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

Galatians 5: 22-26: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24. And they that are Christ's have cruciried the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

I see too much arguing in this place. It is not our point that matters but the Bible only. And yes, I have been guilty and I am sorry. Just give scripture from the Bible with your argument and leave it at that. Name calling is no way how a Christian should be. I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, that is totally on you. I am just saying lets bring love back to where it belongs. I understand we are trying to teach but please lets do so with love and concern.
There are many verses on love and how to love. We will not understand everything in the Bible.
Just teach what the Bible says and if a brother does not want to believe then pray for them to read, study and understand. We need to realize that we can't MAKE people understand the way we do. Just pray and leave the understanding to God.
God Bless You all.

JesinFL · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

Galatians 5: 22-26: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24. And they that are Christ's have cruciried the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

I see too much arguing in this place. It is not our point that matters but the Bible only. And yes, I have been guilty and I am sorry. Just give scripture from the Bible with your argument and leave it at that. Name calling is no way how a Christian should be. I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, that is totally on you. I am just saying lets bring love back to where it belongs. I understand we are trying to teach but please lets do so with love and concern.
There are many verses on love and how to love. We will not understand everything in the Bible.
Just teach what the Bible says and if a brother does not want to believe then pray for them to read, study and understand. We need to realize that we can't MAKE people understand the way we do. Just pray and leave the understanding to God.
God Bless You all.

Thank you.

Definition_Christ · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

Galatians 5: 22-26: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24. And they that are Christ's have cruciried the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

I see too much arguing in this place. It is not our point that matters but the Bible only. And yes, I have been guilty and I am sorry. Just give scripture from the Bible with your argument and leave it at that. Name calling is no way how a Christian should be. I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, that is totally on you. I am just saying lets bring love back to where it belongs. I understand we are trying to teach but please lets do so with love and concern.
There are many verses on love and how to love. We will not understand everything in the Bible.
Just teach what the Bible says and if a brother does not want to believe then pray for them to read, study and understand. We need to realize that we can't MAKE people understand the way we do. Just pray and leave the understanding to God.
God Bless You all.

Yes, thank you so much. It is so good to be reminded.

Sachiko · Dec 1, 2009

Happy,
Thank you for reminding us about love. I just pray that all will read and understand what God is saying.

Harley_Angel · Dec 1, 2009

I had to leave CC for a time because it just felt like some of the topics werent' designed to answer questions, or to make someone stronger in their Christianity. It was like people posted them just because it was controversial and they wanted a reaction, or we would argue about such silly thing that have nothing to do with our salvation just to provoke one another, to shove scripture down each other's throats, to see who could google search evidence better than someone else.

Discussing a topic designed to help someone is one thing, but God does NOT like us causing dissent amongst ourselves. We are supposed to bring each other up, not push each other down so we can be the one on top. When you post, ask yourself, am I posting this for my glory and vanity and pride, or for God's glory so that this Christian might learn something to walk better with God?

Thank you for posting this. I had meant to do something similiar, but decided to walk away.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

Amen Harley_Angel..

I wanted to walk away and leave but my heart just keep telling me to post love.

I don't know how to quote what someone says but i want to copy and paste what you said:::::We are supposed to bring each other up, not push each other down so we can be the one on top. When you post, ask yourself, am I posting this for my glory and vanity and pride, or for God's glory so that this Christian might learn something to walk better with God?

Thank you for your post. GBU

Thaddaeus · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

this is a bible discussion forum we discuss bible, if it seems that a discussion is getting alittle heated it is just that person's compassion for that topic. if we had the Love for God and one another, we could recognize this, I love snail and watchmen although they don't think I am saved (lol), and I"m more than sure I could never get one of them to come to Church with us. but I pray all the time that God will open some eyes around here if it is mine that get opened than I grow closer to God, some come in here and think they have to fix something, this is a discussion forum nothings broke, want to fix something go to the prayer request forum, be a prayer warrior, fix some lives, I am not singling you out HappynGod, you are not the first, that has came in here and thought we could use a little more love. But I know that their love for God and the truth is what drives most in here, and I hope people see that about me. i like this forum it keeps me in the Word and on my toes, Jesus whipped out the money changers from the temple, one disciple stood toe to toe or face to face, with another disciple because he had abandoned a mission trip, which married couple has ever made it til death departs that has not had a heated discussion but they still love one another, surely we can discuss Bible in here without the sky falling, but watch your back if you open yourself up someone will more than likely nail you with it.

Pr 17:17A FRIEND loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

Well Thaddaeus... But something is broken. Just because something is for discussion does not mean it is to belittle people. Like I said you can't MAKE people believe the way you do. You have to know when to let something go and let God handle things. And ty, I do go to prayer. I thank God I am not the first to bring love to this and I pray that I am not the last. I know you are going to carry on with the arguments ( you call it discussion) I am going to be silent on the rest of what you said so God Bless You Thaddaeus. Just please don't belittle people, be passionate but with loving words as God states in His word.

shad · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

Our understanding about what the scripture teaches is vital in every area. We are to study to show ourselves approved unto God and man. When someone misrepresents the nature of God through His word and teaches others to do the same, are we to remain silent and allow others to be persuaded of doctrines that draw them away from the love, grace and mercy of God? If we did that it would be considered passivity, negligence and complacency on our part. Yes, we are to speak the truth in love, but when that love and truth is rejected and accused of being from the devil something very serious is going on and God must raise up a standard. It is much more then a disagreement or a difference of opinion, it is an accusation against the nature of God and the cross of Christ.

You love God with all your heart and you strive in that love to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace like Eph 4:3 instructs us. I do as well, but my love is according to knowledge and judgment / Phil 1:9. You can commend a brother who walks in the truth but you can not commend an erring brother because of his lack of knowledge or what has been distorted through contrived intellectualism. If any doctrine does not produce faith in Christ and the work of Christ that took place on the cross, it is not the faith of the Son of God / Gal 2:20.

Read what Peter said in his second epistle has to say about this 'like precious faith' in 2Pt 1:1-4;

1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

If we err according to knowledge we will have trouble in our faith with understanding and appropiating the truth. Wrong doctrine produces wrong faith and wrong thinking. Wrong faith produces the wrong kind of righteousness and the wrong kind of fruit / Rom 1:17. The grace and mercy that comes from God is multiplied to us through the right knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord that we may have God's divine power in all things that pertain unto life and godliness. This is how we become a partaker of God's divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. All of this comes through the right faith (like precious faith) that comes from the Son of God.

We are to provoke one another unto this kind of love of the truth and the works that result from it / Heb 10:24, 2Jn 1:3, 2Thes 2:10. Do you understand that?

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

Shad, standing for God's word is what we are to do. You know that saying " you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". Let me just ask something, out of all the " discussions " that have gone on in those few posts has anyone gotten any closer to God? All I see is one person putting down the other. Please do stand for God and never back down. But I don't see the glory of God in these discussions, I just see bitterness and belittling. And there is a time to be silent.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

I will only respond ONE time to who replies. I will say what is in my heart then I will be silent. I will leave the rest to God because He can do what I can't. I just pray that when everyone continues with the "discussions" that they don't belittle one another. Never back down on what God's word says, but remember that if we discuss with love we will get closer to the goal. Lets make it better not bitter. GBU all and peace be with you.

Elijah23 · Dec 1, 2009

People will always disagree. The thing is, it is better to say, “I disagree,” than it is to say, “I disagree, you jack ass,” isn’t it? What do I gain by insulting people? I haven’t seen anybody called a “jack ass” on this website, by the way.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

well Elijah23... I just did, and I can't believe you just said that. I hope you do not get into trouble for using that phrase. You can belittle someone without using bad language, in case you did not know that. It is fine to disagree, but when you are getting to a place called no where you have to agree to disagree. God Bless, good luck and peace be with you.

shad · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

There are those that hear the truth and in their spirit rejoice in the truth. These things were written for those that rejoice in the truth / 1Cor 13:6. Can you honestly say that you rejoice in a doctrine that tells every believer who has trusted Christ for salvation, that they can lose and walk away from it and be condemned to hell as if they had never trusted Christ? If that is true, why should anyone trust in a wishy-washy Savior who provides such an unstable salvation that depends upon you and I to keep it. The very nature of the cross that paid the wages of sin through death and put away all sin, testifies as to the nature of God who hates sin and loves His own righteousness, but gives an abundance of mercy and grace to sinners because without these no one could be saved, cleansed or forgiven of any sin. Do you agree?

Elijah23 · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

I was trying to help you make your point. I don’t think there is anything dirty about the phrase “jack ass.” It is the name of an animal. There are a couple of references to (jack) asses in Matthew 21:5 and another in Matthew 21:2.

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

I know I said only one post but I think Elijah23 should get an apology from me. I am sorry I misunderstood you. GBU

Elijah23 · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

Thanks, Happyngod.

songster · Dec 1, 2009

Happyngod, thanks for the reminder. I believe you're right. While some are genuinely concerned about making disciples, there are moments when others are overly concerned about making a point, which would not be a major issue, if emotion never entered the discussion.

I believe it's the motivation with which we conduct these discussions that sets the stage for the outcome. Wanting to be used by God is the desire of most christians, but an over zealousness to prove who's right, sometimes takes the place of fruitfulness. We sometimes lose sight of the purpose, the goal and who we represent.

Paul debated, but also won souls. Souls aren't won through persuasive eloquence, they are won with the help of the Holy Spirit who prepares the hearts of those to whom we are sent. Not every encounter is a divine appointment and yet, because of the nature of our flesh, we sometimes rush in recklessly. When anger, strife and pride are the root of our zealousness which fuels our passion, it's not only time to introduce love, but its time to repent for our motives. Each of us has experienced moments like these. The word of God is a useful tool, but when used unskilfully it has the potential to bruise and to quench.

Paul wrote, in

Philippians 1:15 ...It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of good will...

Philippians 1:17 ...and some preach Christ out of contention, insincerely...

Thank you Happyngod, for sharing what I believe the Holy Spirit placed in your heart to share. God Bless You

happynGod · Dec 1, 2009

Thank you songster,, I love the words you used that came from the love of God. Thank you for the scriptures. GBU

Thaddaeus · Dec 1, 2009

happyngod said:

there is nothing broken, you love God first then one another if you put me before God or I put you before God then. we have both broken the great commandment, to love God with all our heart, soul and mind. and then the second one is like unto it. for example, if you won't stand up to someone, who says that there is many ways into haven and that Jesus/ christainity is not the only way, because you want these people to see the love of God through you, you have no love, if you be ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you before the Father. and the scriptures even says that when the disciple went to a town and that town would not receive the gospel they were to shake the dust from that town off their shoes and move own, was that love for the people or Love for God? Goliath was blaspheming God of israel, and david stood up and said is there not a cause, to stop the unclean philistine. and he stood up for God, this is why we have so many different beliefs within the christian Church now, we have put the love of people before the Love of God yeah they may be a little off, but we don't won't to offend them, so what ever will be will be. this is what is wrong with the Church, a new born christain trying out different churches don't learn to grow closer to God but gets confused and winds up out of the House of God. because one says let's speak in tongues and the next Church says no don't do that here that is the works of the devil, and we are just suppose to love everyone, and let them believe, whatever they want to, to love someone is to share Jesus and Him crucified. hey if you have made it this far have you ever used the term Jesus saves, then you are teaching a false doctrine when you say that, because you believe you have to have works for your salvation so it is not Jesus that saves but according to you, you should say Jesus and your works saves, for that is what you preach, according to you just saying Jesus saves is a lie, for it is His works plus your works that saves. so let me say this as plain as I can, because I do love you through Christ,

Jesus Saves,

I think we are forgetting something in our discussions.

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