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Blain

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I joined a Catholic forum to better understand their faith and their ways. Now I have heard many Christians say the Catholic faith is heresy and that they are pagan and not saved but I am not one to believe everything I hear I have to find out for myself. So I made my first thread and asked certain questions that is mainly asked about the Catholics like about praying to mary and why they need a pope and such and I got the normal answers that I expected but I also asked said this, for a Christian love is the mark of a true believer, to be love above all else to know love to see out of love and I also mentioned that just as important for the believer is the intimate love and relationship between God and us and I asked them if this was also true for the Catholics.

Based on what I have heard from fellow Christians I half expected them to not really agree but sort of say it's but add something to kind fit their own views but instead they excitedly agreed I saw a real passion for God in them.
Now I don't much about the Catholic faith but I intend to find out and then I will judge for myself if Catholics are heresy or not with God's help of course.
 

Ahwatukee

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I joined a Catholic forum to better understand their faith and their ways. Now I have heard many Christians say the Catholic faith is heresy and that they are pagan and not saved but I am not one to believe everything I hear I have to find out for myself. So I made my first thread and asked certain questions that is mainly asked about the Catholics like about praying to mary and why they need a pope and such and I got the normal answers that I expected but I also asked said this, for a Christian love is the mark of a true believer, to be love above all else to know love to see out of love and I also mentioned that just as important for the believer is the intimate love and relationship between God and us and I asked them if this was also true for the Catholics.

Based on what I have heard from fellow Christians I half expected them to not really agree but sort of say it's but add something to kind fit their own views but instead they excitedly agreed I saw a real passion for God in them.
Now I don't much about the Catholic faith but I intend to find out and then I will judge for myself if Catholics are heresy or not with God's help of course.
Hello Blain,

For sure their are people within the RCC that belong to Christ, but he's calling them to come out of her so that they don't partake in her future plagues, when the beast and the ten kings destroy her with fire (Rev.17:16, 18:4-8). We must remember also, that there are Lord's many and gospels many and regarding this Paul said:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Unfortunately, today the world is being inundated with false teachers and teachings. I've said it before, it is not enough to discern right from wrong, but right from almost right. The RCC itself is pagan through and through. God is calling those who belong to him to come away from her pagan practices and rituals, which is spiritual adultery. You have to have the right Lord and the right gospel.
 

Blain

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Hello Blain,

For sure their are people within the RCC that belong to Christ, but he's calling them to come out of her so that they don't partake in her future plagues, when the beast and the ten kings destroy her with fire (Rev.17:16, 18:4-8). We must remember also, that there are Lord's many and gospels many and regarding this Paul said:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Unfortunately, today the world is being inundated with false teachers and teachings. I've said it before, it is not enough to discern right from wrong, but right from almost right. The RCC itself is pagan through and through. God is calling those who belong to him to come away from her pagan practices and rituals, which is spiritual adultery. You have to have the right Lord and the right gospel.
If in fact they are pagan it will be very evident to me as I learn and speak with them. Right now though I am going into this with an open heart and mind
 
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zzz98

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Please try catholicanswers.com With that this will be my only post on this thread. Good Luck and may the Lord be with you!
 

santuzza

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I guess for me, one heresy is enough to call the entire Catholic church heretical. Like a drop of yeast ruins the unleaven loaf.

The fact that they deify Mary is enough for me to call it heretical. I don't feel as if I need to look any further. I know enough.

But that's just me. I hold a pretty high standard.

Good luck with your search. I hope you learn more about the one true faith -- that of Jesus Christ and not the RCC.
 

Angela53510

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Blain, the issue is soteriology! How you are saved.

Catholics wrongly believe two things - that the RCC church and its rituals save. That you have to have faith plus works.

I recently read that Catholics cannot know if they are saved or not. They are sanctified before they are justified. So God works on them their whole life, and if they are good enough, after they die, maybe spend some time in purgatory, they might be saved.

That is NOT the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And be careful, some, not all - they will sin and then go to confession. I knew a woman that was committing terrible sexual sin, and then confessing on Saturday and going to mass on Sunday. I tried to tell her what she was doing was wrong, and she just brushed me off. I had to cut off my relationship with her, and she had been my best friend for years.

And she seemed like the nicest, most loving person you could meet. So beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. It takes years to find out the truth.
 
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Kefa54

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It is so self righteous to pick on the Catholics. Like we Christians don't have our own Idols.

My fancy car, My big house, My money..I'm so saved...Think about it..... Those people.

My idol just might be myself?


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Kefa54

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It Is easier to bash them than to take a good look at ourselves.

Luke 18;11
God, I thank You that I'm not like other people--greedy, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.



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Like zzz98, I would have to agree this is not the forum to find the truth of our Catholic faith. As zzz98 said, a good web-site is Catholicanswers.com or ewtn.com. I would also suggest reading all you can of the early Church fathers to see just how Catholic they really were. Myself being a cradel Catholic, feel free to ask me any questions (on open forum, or pm) you may have, and I will try to answer them the best I can. If I cant, I will guide to to those that can.
Good luck and have fun on your journey.

 


 
Pax Christi
 
 
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No doubt there are heartfelt people in false religions. Some grew up in them, and they haven't yet seen that it does not match the bible. Catholics are encouraged to NOT read the bible, as it is distrust to the priest. First of all the bible says for each one of us to study to show ourselves approved unto God. And it is mentioned that some studied DAILY to see if what the apostles said was true. It did not say not to study because that shows distrust to the apostles. Second of all, the bible says we are all saints and priests in Christ. Each one of us has the responsibility to share the gospel with others.

When Jesus died on the cross He said it was finished? What was finished? He fulfilled the old law, He was the only one who could, and He nailed it to the cross. At the end of Revelation He also said it is finished. What was finished? The New Testament/scripture/His instructions to us- the bible was finished, and He said not to add to it or take away from it. But the Catholics did add to it. And the rules they added do not match what the bible says. For example, they say to pray to Mary. But the only way we, or our words, get to the Father is through the Son. Prayer is a form of worship, and Jesus says worship the Lord your God and serve Him only. He says cast ALL your anxieties on HIM (not her). If you cast some or all of your anxieties on her, you disobey God, cause He says cast them all on Him.

And the pope is trying to take Christ's place. Christ is the only head of His only body. He appointed elders and demons in individual congregations, but only He is the head of all the congregations. I was a child, but I remember seeing people bow down and worship him with my own eyes, and he accepted it gladly. But even as a child I refused to do so.
 
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GaryA

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I joined a Catholic forum to better understand their faith and their ways. Now I have heard many Christians say the Catholic faith is heresy and that they are pagan and not saved but I am not one to believe everything I hear I have to find out for myself. So I made my first thread and asked certain questions that is mainly asked about the Catholics like about praying to mary and why they need a pope and such and I got the normal answers that I expected but I also asked said this, for a Christian love is the mark of a true believer, to be love above all else to know love to see out of love and I also mentioned that just as important for the believer is the intimate love and relationship between God and us and I asked them if this was also true for the Catholics.

Based on what I have heard from fellow Christians I half expected them to not really agree but sort of say it's but add something to kind fit their own views but instead they excitedly agreed I saw a real passion for God in them.
Now I don't much about the Catholic faith but I intend to find out and then I will judge for myself if Catholics are heresy or not with God's help of course.
If in fact they are pagan it will be very evident to me as I learn and speak with them. Right now though I am going into this with an open heart and mind
The scriptures alone contain all of the answers you seek...

You don't have to "search the world over", "study 15 religions", etc. - to answer these types of questions ( that is the way Satan wants you to go about it, so that you might be "drawn away" from the truth ) --- just study the truth of the scriptures, and it will show you the answers by virtue of what becomes exceedingly clear and evident as not "matching" what the scriptures say.

:)
 
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Kaycie

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No doubt there are heartfelt people in false religions. Some grew up in them, and they haven't yet seen that it does not match the bible. Catholics are encouraged to NOT read the bible, as it is distrust to the priest. First of all the bible says for each one of us to study to show ourselves approved unto God. And it is mentioned that some studied DAILY to see if what the apostles said was true. It did not say not to study because that shows distrust to the apostles. Second of all, the bible says we are all saints and priests in Christ. Each one of us has the responsibility to share the gospel with others.

When Jesus died on the cross He said it was finished? What was finished? He fulfilled the old law, He was the only one who could, and He nailed it to the cross. At the end of Revelation He also said it is finished. What was finished? The New Testament/scripture/His instructions to us- the bible was finished, and He said not to add to it or take away from it. But the Catholics did add to it. And the rules they added do not match what the bible says. For example, they say to pray to Mary. But the only way we, or our words, get to the Father is through the Son. Prayer is a form of worship, and Jesus says worship the Lord your God and serve Him only. He says cast ALL your anxieties on HIM (not her). If you cast some or all of your anxieties on her, you disobey God, cause He says cast them all on Him.

And the pope is trying to take Christ's place. Christ is the only head of His only body. He appointed elders and demons in individual congregations, but only He is the head of all the congregations. I was a child, but I remember seeing people bow down and worship him with my own eyes, and he accepted it gladly. But even as a child I refused to do so.
I'm sorry, spellcheck changed deacons to demons. My iPad messes up when it is 100% charged and still plugged in.
 
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GaryA

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I'm sorry, spellcheck changed deacons to demons. My iPad messes up when it is 100% charged and still plugged in.
"So -- the demons in the spellcheck only act up when they are over-charged?" :p

;)

:)
 

crossnote

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My guess is that Blain will get sucked in.
Experiential faith is a strong pull along with the mystical element.
I pray I'm wrong and pray Blain don't.
 

crossnote

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"So -- the demons in the spellcheck only act up when they are over-charged?" :p

;)

:)
actually,it's the demons in the Ipad.:p ..they hate to be overcharged $$
 

Angela53510

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My guess is that Blain will get sucked in.
Experiential faith is a strong pull along with the mystical element.
I pray I'm wrong and pray Blain don't.
My thoughts exactly!
 

Magenta

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God several times throughout Scripture says He will not share His glory, while Catholics glorify, venerate, and adore Mary. Jesus did not once in Scripture address Mary as His mother, but Catholics call her the mother of humanity, and as if that were not enough, the queen of heaven. Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother, His brother, His sister. Jesus never elevated Mary above others, but Catholics feel a need to not just elevate Mary above others, but they put her on a par with Jesus in terms of His sinlessness, (do you really think that she needed to be sinless so that Jesus Christ could be sinless?). They are forced by so-called infallible papal decree to accept the Marian dogmas of her bodily assumption and immaculate conception, neither of which have any basis whatsoever in Scripture. Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven, yet they pray to Mary, because their popes tell them to despite what Jesus explicitly instructed. Scripture clearly states that there is one intercessor between God and man, yet their popes, bishops, priests, parishioners etc, will tell you to pray to Mary, and other dead people, for intercession. They fault those who do as Jesus suggested, while they disobey Him to follow someone else instead. We see nothing in Scripture to endorse her bodily assumption, her perpetual virginity (Jesus had siblings after all, two of whom have books in the Bible!), her immaculate conception. We see no need to pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead as she is believed to be, to intercede on our behalf against the explicit words of Jesus in Scripture. Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. Scripture also tells us not to call anyone Father but God, while they call many men "father" and blindly follow them. They believe that a fallible man is the Rock that Jesus is building His Church on, not a confession of faith divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, despite a plethora of Scriptures that attest to the fact that God is the sole Rock of our salvation. They teach purgatory, and many other things neither the apostles nor Jesus ever taught. For instance, they claim priests must be celibate, when they were not in the early church. Another example would be infant baptism, nowhere promoted in Scripture. They burned people at the stake for daring to read the Bible, which is what Scripture tells us to do. Despite all this, and more, the Catholic Church considers herself the only valid expression of the community of God. I hope you do not allow them to tickle your ears. I did not get most of my info here, but please see this site for more info: http://www.bible.ca/catholic-doctrine.htm
 

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Is it really necessary to pop the lid off the garbage can to know what is inside? We all do it but I've never been disappointed to find what I already knew was there. It is not necessary to drink to know that drunkenness is wrong. It is not necessary to be unfaithful to know that it is wrong.

Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

The question is not new.

For the cause of Christ
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It is so self righteous to pick on the Catholics. Like we Christians don't have our own Idols.

My fancy car, My big house, My money..I'm so saved...Think about it..... Those people.

My idol just might be myself?
Difference being, you know your idols don't bring forth salvation.
 
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