If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.

Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.

In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.

Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.

Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
_
 

Dino246

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Perhaps you thought this forum needed another can of worms?

I would, without hesitation, allege and even declare that 'Rome is mistaken'.
 

PennEd

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Apr 22, 2013
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#3
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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.


Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.


In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.


Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.


Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.


I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
_
Is there a question or point here? We all have friends and relatives that did not take the narrow path. We hate thinking about that, but if they were not born again, it doesn't matter at all what they did with their lives.
 

dcontroversal

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Dec 12, 2013
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Perhaps you thought this forum needed another can of worms?

I would, without hesitation, allege and even declare that 'Rome is mistaken'.
I would second that and up the ante by saying they are as false as they come and the dogma they espouse leads straight to the pit.....!!
 

maxwel

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Apr 18, 2013
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If it's any consolation, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest, and during the time he was an active and official priest, he had a personal conversion.

People do find the gospel, and find a personal and biblical conversion, regardless of their current circumstances, education, or vocation.

Your brother's situation is something only he and God can know.
I am an extremely adamant protestant... but I still feel confident in that assertion.

Your brother's situation is something only he and God can know.

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oldethennew

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Feb 28, 2016
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your dismay is totally understandable to many of us,
as we know and realize that he was truly serving
the devil, whether willingly or through their
'spell-binding'...
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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A Lot of my family member are not Christian, all I can do is pray, while they still alive I am Sorry some of them are to late, Nothing we can do.

But Yes, catholic is not real Christian. They do SUPPORT devil agenda new world order.

https://bereanbeacon.org/pope-francis-exploits-world-religion-and-government/

Seem to me It prove catholic work for the devil.

We have to love them and warn them as must as we can.

We know they work for the devil but It doesn't mean we hate them.

We not agree their teaching but we know God love their soul

We have to say the truth to warn them to repent in order to love them stop them from hell
 

Nehemiah6

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Jul 18, 2017
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Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.)
If people have not read Fifty Years in the Church of Rome by former Catholic priest Charles Chiniquy (from Quebec, Canada) they should do so. This is a real life story of what it meant to be a Catholic priest.
 
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I have a less legalistic view....after all, no church is perfect, every denomination has something in their own eye. Of course as flawed and fallen humans we do a great job of pointing out what is in our neighbour's eye, while failing to see the log that is in our own eye.

I don't think Salvation comes from being a member of the Roman church, or the Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist or any other......I recently changed churces, going from the United Church of Canada to a Reformed Church....and I had some misgivings, there are some wonderful people at my old church, and they do some awesome things....but when I went to the Reformed church in town it lifted my soul and has helped me strengthen my faith and walk closer with my Lord and Saviour. I talked to a miltary chaplain about it and she said 'you have to go where your soul is fed'.

Ultimately salvation comes through acknowledgment and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, that's my opinion. Do I think that one can come to that in the Roman tradition? Yes I do think it is possible. I have a lot of issues with Rome, but every church has its issues. The pastor at my new church did a sermon a while ago and he talked about those people who 'church shop' looing for the Perfect Church....he said if that's what you're looking for then keep looking, he said that our church...if it was perfect, it ceased to be as soon as he walked through the doors.

Blessings.
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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I have a less legalistic view....after all, no church is perfect, every denomination has something in their own eye. Of course as flawed and fallen humans we do a great job of pointing out what is in our neighbour's eye, while failing to see the log that is in our own eye.

I don't think Salvation comes from being a member of the Roman church, or the Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist or any other......I recently changed churces, going from the United Church of Canada to a Reformed Church....and I had some misgivings, there are some wonderful people at my old church, and they do some awesome things....but when I went to the Reformed church in town it lifted my soul and has helped me strengthen my faith and walk closer with my Lord and Saviour. I talked to a miltary chaplain about it and she said 'you have to go where your soul is fed'.

Ultimately salvation comes through acknowledgment and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, that's my opinion. Do I think that one can come to that in the Roman tradition? Yes I do think it is possible. I have a lot of issues with Rome, but every church has its issues. The pastor at my new church did a sermon a while ago and he talked about those people who 'church shop' looing for the Perfect Church....he said if that's what you're looking for then keep looking, he said that our church...if it was perfect, it ceased to be as soon as he walked through the doors.

Blessings.
But you not expect to learn about Jesus in the chinese temple or catholic church.

Yes No perfect church.

The water we drink is not bactery free, but we do not want to drink from sewage water.
 
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But you not expect to learn about Jesus in the chinese temple or catholic church.

Yes No perfect church.

The water we drink is not bactery free, but we do not want to drink from sewage water.
I've been to many RC masses, and I have heard God's word read and preached, I would never call that sewage water...you take out what you bring with you.
 

Jackson123

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Catholic also Lie and teach islam share the same God to Christian. The fact is the God of islam do not teach Jesus is God so islam God have different teaching with Christian God, mean catholic Lie

Lumen gentium II/16/126

126 But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,1
 

Dan_473

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Mar 11, 2014
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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.


Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.


In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.


Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.


Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.


I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
_
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Generally speaking, Catholics do this. So I expect to see your brother in heaven.

Protestants assume that God has preserved the Bible throughout history and that it is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to humans.

Catholics assume that God has preserved the church throughout history, and that it is the primary means by which God communicates his truth to humans.
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
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No matter what brand, Denomination or doctrine a religion may espouse if the share enough of the word for the hearer to come to believe the fundamental fact that Jesus is The son of the one and only true God. That Jesus died for our sins, in our place. Believe it in their hearts, ask for his forgiveness ask for his forgiveness and proclaim that he is Lord. That's enough to be saved regardless of who was speaking or teaching. The deceivers will have their time before the throne and they will have to answer for their deceitfulness. I won't take salvation from the saved. Look it up! Isaiah55-10-11.png
 
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My eldest brother (for convenience sake, call him Larry) was ordained to the
priesthood in 1965 and remained so for 53 years prior to passing away at
the age of 78 in May of 2018.


Larry graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He taught
at the University of San Diego and has served in parishes in San Diego,
Mexico, Portland, the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, and Huntington
Beach. Larry served as the Director of Pastoral Ministry and the first Rector
of the Conventual Church of Our Lady of the Angels at the Franciscan
Renewal Center, Scottsdale, Arizona.


In 1973, he served at University of San Diego as an Assistant Professor of
Religious Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. Larry then served as
the University Chaplain and Director of Campus Ministry from September
1974 until June 1984.


Larry entered the Franciscan Order to become a Friar in 1987 after serving
as a priest of the Diocese of San Diego for 22 years. During his semi
retirement years, Larry, he was a priest at the Mission San Luis Rey in
Oceanside, California.


Supposing Rome's version of Christianity is mistaken? (This is only a
hypothetical question; I'm not alleging Rome is mistaken.) The ramifications
of that would be too awful to contemplate. It would mean that my deceased
brother is right now, this very moment, in Hell regardless of the quality and
the extent of his devotion to The Church. It would also mean that my
brother was a minister of darkness rather than light; thus everyone he
influenced was led down a path leading directly to the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they would be facing a mode of death akin
to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.


I can only imagine the crushing, unspeakable dismay that my brother would
undergo were it to turn out that all the while he sincerely believed himself
serving Christ's best interests, he was actually serving the Devil's.
_
Sadly, Many people will suffer this very fate.. Imagine the jews who dedicated themselves to God and his law.. and spent their whole life in service to God.. Who will not make it to heaven, Because they rejected the only means of forgiveness.
 

PennEd

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Apr 22, 2013
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I've been to many RC masses, and I have heard God's word read and preached, I would never call that sewage water...you take out what you bring with you.
Sorry, but I grew up catholic, school and all. And the mass IS poison in so many ways to souls.

You don't need a massive amount of poison in a drink to make it fatal, and the RCC has way more than just a little.
 

garee

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Mar 28, 2016
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I would think if they were believers they were in a dark place and in one sense experiencing the pain of separation from God .If they cried out for rest a person would hope they would be moved to a place of light.