If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Angela53510

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Coming in very late. The Kingdom of God is the same thing as the Kingdom of heaven.

Matthew is writing to Jewish Christians. They do not like to use the word "God." At most, they will leave out the vowel, G-D. The other gospel writers, not writing to the Jews, but Greeks, and others, can use the word "God" because it is not forbidden in Gentile society.

A good way to check this, is to seek out parallel passages in the Synoptic gospels. Matthew will say "Kingdom of Heaven" whereas Mark & Luke will use, "Kingdom of God!

"Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matt. 19:14

"He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, belongs to such as these." Mark 10:14

"But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." Like 18:16

Of course, there more examples of this parallelism, where Matthew uses "Kingdom of Heaven" and Mark & Luke use "Kingdom of God!" The only difference is who the author is writing to.

Matthew uses "kingdom of heaven" 31 times, and only 5 times for the "kingdom of God."

Mark does not use "Kingdom of heaven" at all, but uses the "Kingdom of God" 15 times.

Luke does not use "Kingdom of heaven" at all, but "Kingdom of God" 31 times.

Another example:
"Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up." Matt. 13:3-4 to 9
"He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them." Matt -3:11

"Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up." Mark 4:3-4 to verse 8.
"He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables" Mark 4:11.
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A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path; it was trampled on, and the birds ate it up." Luke 8:5
"He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables," Luke 8:10

Many more examples of this in the Synoptic Gospels. Synoptic means with one eye! John is very different, written much later. I challenge you to find other places in the 3 gospels, where the story or parable is the same, but Matthew used "Kingdom of Heaven" and Mark & Luke use "Kingdom of God!"
My goodness, you are touchy! And you just hate to admit you are wrong. I could give 20 more examples of Matthew's use of "the kingdom of heaven" paralleled in Luke and Mark as "the kingdom of God". That is the fact! In the KJV too!

Don't be a sore loser! You are wrong, and I am not the only person to tell you. I guess studying the Bible on your own doesn't teach you these important facts. Glad I went to seminary!
 

John146

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Rev 12:2
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
From 10-17 is all about the great tribulation still to come.
 
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LOL, where is the proof of your side of the story? That works both ways, Brother!

It can only be determined by rightly dividing the Word of truth.

But I'm willing to let this be an ongoing discussion that we can work on together!
Good Morning,
My prayer today for us.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion - Genesis 1:26

Let us be like our LORD and Savior and be made in His Image according to His Likeness today and permit the Holy Spirit to have
dominion in and thru us - amen.

ALL men/women/children of the KINGDOM must receive and follow the words' of God without adding or taking away from them.
This is the FIRST commandment - to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Second is to speak Truth to our neighbor - love thy neighbor as thyself.

On these Two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets = and thus, our LORD went to the Cross in fulfillment of His word.

ALL truth emanates from Him, HE is the Word which was God in the Beginning - John 1:1

Sin and Death came into the world thru the Serpent -HOW? - by twisting just a few of God's words = taking away and adding.

Let us not twist His word's to conform to our sinful nature but that we should be conformed to His Spirit of Truth.

Let us look at Scripture, without adding or taking away, so that God speaks for Himself and we can receive Grace and Favor today.
Amen
 
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My goodness, you are touchy! And you just hate to admit you are wrong. I could give 20 more examples of Matthew's use of "the kingdom of heaven" paralleled in Luke and Mark as "the kingdom of God". That is the fact! In the KJV too!

Don't be a sore loser! You are wrong, and I am not the only person to tell you. I guess studying the Bible on your own doesn't teach you these important facts. Glad I went to seminary!
YES, Sister in Christ - Same Gospel

God has given us many words to describe Himself and His Gospel and His Elect

Kingdom of God is the Kingdom of His Son is the Kingdom of Heaven is the Gospel is the Holy Spirit is His Love is His Word

His Elect are His Saints are His Church are His Body are His Living Stones are His Temple are His Overcomers

AMEN
 
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No, he is King/Ruler. That's what being a Prince means. Look it up.

Best u look again.
Anyone who thanks God has given Satan total control of this world believes other myths. A prince is limited in power.
This is confirmed with the book of Job...read it.
 
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I get it better than you have since you think salvation came long after the cross. Salvation came BEFORE the cross not after the cross.
Please explain your thought here.
 
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Is The Woman of Revelation 12, Lady Wisdom (Proverbs 1:20–33; 3:13–20; 8:1–36; 9:1–12)?

Rev 12:2
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Pro 1:20-21
Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

Pro 8:1
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

Pro 8:3-4
She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

Pro 9:3
She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,

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Rev 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Pro 9:1
Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

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Was Wisdom fed? Did satan attack the Tree of LIFE?

Rev 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Pro 3:18
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Rev 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 
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Is The Woman of Revelation 12, Lady Wisdom (Proverbs 1:20–33; 3:13–20; 8:1–36; 9:1–12)?

Rev 12:2
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Pro 1:20-21
Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

Pro 8:1
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

Pro 8:3-4
She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

Pro 9:3
She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,

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Rev 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Pro 9:1
Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

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Was Wisdom fed? Did satan attack the Tree of LIFE?

Rev 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Pro 3:18
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Rev 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The Tree of Life is with God - always was and never left - and be careful what you say and do with the word of God.

In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

PEACE
 
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Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Did Nero cause people to receive a mark in foreheads or right hands? Did he command an image to be made and did he make image come to life and speak? Then there is Revelation 11. Did Nero kill the two prophets and did those prophets rise from the dead and ascend into heaven?

If any of this is a "no" then Nero was not the Antichrist.
Nero was not 'The Antichrist' but he, 100%, was a antichrist.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared.
This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.
1 John 2:18-19
 
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It doesn’t make much sense for Israel to be fed and to flee …but maybe it does for The Wisdom of The Tree of LIFE. The HOLY SPIRIT?
 

Yahshua

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t doesn’t make much sense for Israel to be fed and to flee
Remember the warning Messiah gave during the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:



Luke 21:20-21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.



"When you see, flee". Scripture is perfectly harmonious with our historic records. Consider this:

Revelation says:
1) Manchild (who is to rule) ascends to heaven...
2) Woman flees persecution from the dragon

Scripture says:
1) Messiah ascends in Acts 1...
2) Persecution of His disciples begins in Acts

History says:
1) Messiah ascended to heaven in the 1st century...
2) Persecution & Martyrdom of disciples of "The Way" recorded
3) Many Jews flee Jerusalem prior to its destruction by Rome (whose military standard was "The Draco" [dragon; serpent]). Anyone who remained in the city did not survive. Bloodbath. "Great Wrath".
 
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Remember the warning Messiah gave during the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luke 21:20-21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


"When you see, flee". Scripture is perfectly harmonious with our historic records. Consider this:

Revelation says:
1) Manchild (who is to rule) ascends to heaven...
2) Woman flees persecution from the dragon

Scripture says:
1) Messiah ascends in Acts 1...
2) Persecution of His disciples begins in Acts

History says:
1) Messiah ascended to heaven in the 1st century...
2) Persecution & Martyrdom of disciples of "The Way" recorded
3) Many Jews flee Jerusalem prior to its destruction by Rome (whose military standard was "The Draco" [dragon; serpent]). Anyone who remained in the city did not survive. Bloodbath. "Great Wrath".
Israel can be involved, but the purpose of Rev 12 is to show us The Wisdom of The Tree of LIFE that Spiritual Israel (New Jerusalem) runs off of.
 
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If JESUS would have become a physical King the first time He was here, it would have been giving into the beast and The Son of Man would have failed to become The King we have now.

 
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We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.
 
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If JESUS would have become a physical King the first time He was here, it would have been giving into the beast and The Son of Man would have failed to become The King we have now.

1 Corinthians 3:16-19
King James Version


16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God (All of God's elects), and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20

New King James Version

19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body [a]and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Don't know why people insist on a 1,000 year physical kingdom.

https://testallthings.com/2011/11/12/the-bottomless-pit/
 

ewq1938

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Best u look again.
Anyone who thanks God has given Satan total control of this world believes other myths. A prince is limited in power.
That's false. You clearly spent zero time studying this.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince (ruler) of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.



Prince here doesn't mean second in command or something like we think in modern English, it means the ruler, the first in rank or power:

G758
a?´????
archo¯n
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Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.


G758
a?´????
archo¯n
Thayer Definition:
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: present participle of G757
Citing in TDNT: 1:488, 81
 
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We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.
Revelation 13:8-18
King James Version


8 And all (Only Nonelects) that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names (All nonelects) are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He (God's elects) that leadeth into captivity (jail) shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Literal 1,000 year physical kingdom false doctrine is a good set up for Satan's one world kingdom=Satan's 2nd attempt of tower of babel=unity=world peace without God.

Daniel 8:25
King James Version


25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
 
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Revelation 13:8-18
King James Version


8 And all (Only Nonelects) that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names (All nonelects) are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He (God's elects) that leadeth into captivity (jail) shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Literal 1,000 year physical kingdom false doctrine is a good set up for Satan's one world kingdom=Satan's 2nd attempt of tower of babel=unity=world peace without God.

Daniel 8:25
King James Version


25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Why do you not believe there will be a literal 1,000 Year Period as Scripture clearly declares?