If the message of Jesus wasn't proclaiming the Kingdom what are you looking forward to.?

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Churinga

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The earthly Kingdom will become a reality in due time and the conditions of living in a sinless society without any pain or tears obviously has very little appeal these days.
 

Churinga

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It appears nobody is looking forward to the earthly Kingdom, how sad.
 

HQ

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"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"

- Romans 10:13-15 KJV
 

p_rehbein

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You dream of whatever Kingdom you wish.

I KNOW where my Kingdom is........

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:1-3
 

Churinga

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You dream of whatever Kingdom you wish.

I KNOW where my Kingdom is........

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:1-3
Was Johns Gospel speaking to disciples or Gentiles.
 
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Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When a person has received the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, for they display the ways of God on earth.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The kingdom of God had come, and some did not die until they witnessed it occur at the day of Pentecost, and Peter preached the first message, and people were added to the Church.

The kingdom of God is on earth today as displayed by the saints, for by the Spirit they can act like Jesus.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The kingdom of God shall be on earth among the heathen as Jesus and the saints rule over them for 1000 years, and Jesus fulfills the role of perfect King on earth, and the law is fulfilled.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The former heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints shall be at a new heaven, and earth, where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again, and the former earth and heaven shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for they are associated with sin and rebellion, and the saints, and angels, will feel like they have always been there, and nowhere else.

The kingdom of God is within us, the kingdom of God will be on earth when Jesus reigns, and the kingdom of God will be a new heaven, and earth, which is the final destination of the saints forever.
 

Churinga

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Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When a person has received the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, for they display the ways of God on earth.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The kingdom of God had come, and some did not die until they witnessed it occur at the day of Pentecost, and Peter preached the first message, and people were added to the Church.

The kingdom of God is on earth today as displayed by the saints, for by the Spirit they can act like Jesus.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The kingdom of God shall be on earth among the heathen as Jesus and the saints rule over them for 1000 years, and Jesus fulfills the role of perfect King on earth, and the law is fulfilled.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The former heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints shall be at a new heaven, and earth, where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again, and the former earth and heaven shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for they are associated with sin and rebellion, and the saints, and angels, will feel like they have always been there, and nowhere else.

The kingdom of God is within us, the kingdom of God will be on earth when Jesus reigns, and the kingdom of God will be a new heaven, and earth, which is the final destination of the saints forever.
Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom was near to the Jews His rejection has put the Kingdom on hold and no believing Jews are still in exile. The Gentiles did not enter the scene till much later when Paul preached in Acts 13, Paul did not preach the Kingdom but preached a different Gospel 1 Cor 15: 1-4, to suggest other wise is to be guilty of stealing the children s bread.
 

Churinga

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You dream of whatever Kingdom you wish.

I KNOW where my Kingdom is........

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:1-3
To whom was Jesus speaking? it certainly wasn't Gentiles.
 

JaumeJ

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To whom was Jesus speaking? it certainly wasn't Gentiles.

Jesus came to His own people first. Being the Good Shepherd, He also looked to bringing th other Flock, the Gentiles, together with His original Flock, Israel.

In the spiritual sense, Jesus is always talking to Israel, for there is no other nation with its capital being the New Jerusalem.

All who believe are His people. We are Israel, and He crtaqinly is King of the Jews, Melech Yahudim.
 

tanakh

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The whole plan of God is to bring about a new heaven and a new earth. If you are not looking forward to that why are you
bothering?
 

Churinga

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Jesus came to His own people first. Being the Good Shepherd, He also looked to bringing th other Flock, the Gentiles, together with His original Flock, Israel.

In the spiritual sense, Jesus is always talking to Israel, for there is no other nation with its capital being the New Jerusalem.

All who believe are His people. We are Israel, and He crtaqinly is King of the Jews, Melech Yahudim.
You cannot find any Christianity in the 4 Gospels
 

JaumeJ

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You cannot find any Christianity in the 4 Gospels

The four Gospels are called Gospels because they are the Good News...that is they are the Gospel.

With the Holy Spirit teaching us we find the Gospel in the entire Word....that is those who are not blinded by the lawdo.
 
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Tim416

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You cannot find any Christianity in the 4 Gospels
What religion is the following?

When he(the Spirit) comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin, righteousness and judgement. In regard to sin because men do not believe in me, in regard to righteousness because I am going to my father, in regard to judgement, because the prince of this world now stands condemned John16:8-11
 

Churinga

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I find Christ in the 4 Gospels, that's Good news! For he came to seek and to save that which was lost
Can you find anything remotely like 1 Corinthians 15:1-5 in the 4 Gospels?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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What religion is the following?

When he(the Spirit) comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin, righteousness and judgement. In regard to sin because men do not believe in me, in regard to righteousness because I am going to my father, in regard to judgement, because the prince of this world now stands condemned John16:8-11
Consider the following quote (… if it's not too long :D ) :

"The coming of the Comforter is once more announced by Him. He could not come unless the Lord departed. He is to be sent to His own and when He comes He will make a great demonstration to the world. The word “reprove” in John 16:8 is incorrect; the Greek word is difficult to express in its full meaning. Some have translated it by “rebuke,” others use the word “convince” or “convict.” The word “demonstrate” seems to be the nearest to the original. “And when He is come He will bring demonstration to the world of sin, and of righteousness and of judgment.” The presence of the Holy Spirit in believers is the proof to the world that the whole world is guilty of the death of Christ; the whole world is under sin and therefore not on probation but under condemnation. The Holy Spirit is also the demonstration to the world of righteousness. This does not mean that He brings righteousness to the world, or makes the world righteous, as so many erroneously believe. Our Lord adds: “Of righteousness, because I go to my Father and ye see me no more.” The Holy One was rejected by the world, cast out as an unrighteous One. But He, Who owned and satisfied God’s righteousness in dying as the substitute of sinners, is now exalted to the right hand of God; there He is the witness of righteousness. The presence of the Holy Spirit on earth demonstrates this fact. God raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory; the world sees Him no more as a Saviour personally on earth; but will see Him again as Judge, when He comes to judge the world in righteousness. Righteousness is fully displayed in the glory, where He is. The hope of righteousness is to be with Him there. (Galatians 5:5.) The Holy Spirit also brings demonstration to the world of judgment “because the prince of this world is judged.” Sentence of judgment is pronounced against Satan, but not yet executed. He is the god of this age, but he was judged in His Cross. Judgment must come upon the world and its prince. The Holy Spirit now present upon the earth in the believers demonstrates this fact."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on John 16 (source: Bible Hub)

[end quoting]

https://biblehub.com/greek/1651.htm
 

tourist

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It appears nobody is looking forward to the earthly Kingdom, how sad.
On what do you base this assumption? I am certainly looking forward to the New Heavens, New Earth, New Jerusalem.