Infant Baptism

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john832

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Do you think an infant should be baptized?
 
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jahsoul

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Nope. Baptism comes from a personal choice made and infants don't have the mental capability to make the choice of making God their savior. It's their parents making a choice and that's not how it works. What good is baptism without knowledge of why you are doing it?
 
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2Thewaters

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Bible batism means a change of life, putting away sin and living life anew and follow Jesus
infants dont know what that means

its a money maker scheme.
 
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2Thewaters

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Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:

Infants have no clue how to repent
so infant Baptism is against the scripture

repentance means

3341. metanoia, met-an'-oy-ah; from G3340; compunction, by impl. reversal of lifestyle, change of behavior and putting away all bad habits.

Infants are innocent

may as well baptise a dog or a cat if you are baptising infants, none of them know what is going on.
 

vanillakay

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Absoloutly not. I can'nt stand parents who do this. Babies have no sense of right or wrong. It's a personal choice.
 

Lyta137

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No I believe not. In addition I think it does more harm than good. When an infant is baptised and later on in life draws away from God, they will be discouraged to become serious and get baptised 'again' thinking 'well ive already done it before and it didn't keep me from falling away the first time...
 
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tripsin

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Infant Baptism
Is 100% paganism. The unconscience infant and small children with no understanding are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. Not baptism.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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I believe in infant baptism equally as much as I believe in marriage annulment, the status of Mary as "co-redemptrix", and priests having the ability to call down Christ into a little piece of bread.

Not at all.
 

LovePink

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There is only one baptism today, it is not by, in or with water. Nor are we baptized "with" the Holy Ghost.

For "by" one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.

Believing the gospel of your salvation brings about all the work of God, righteousness, justification, sactification, baptism, holiness, eternal life, sealed until the day of redemption, blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places, crucified with Christ, dead to sin, translated by the Father into the kingdom of His dear Son, seated together with Him in heavenly places as a child, an heir to the throne.

But, depends on who you ask & who you believe, men or God.
 
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zone

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Spoken like a true Lutheran.
since you're under the Old Covenant - do you circumcise your infant boys at 8 days of age?
if not - why not?
do they have to consent?
 
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jimmydiggs

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I'm not against it as a means of entering into the covenant.


I am against Baptismal Regeneration, and Lutheran Soteriology. ;)
 

zone

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Luke 18
15Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. 17Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”


paidion: a young child
Original Word: παιδίον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paidion
Phonetic Spelling: (pahee-dee'-on)
Short Definition: a little child, an infant
Definition: a little child, an infant, little one.

3813 paidíon – properly, a child under training; the diminutive form of 3816 /país ("child"). 3813 /paidíon ("a little child in training") implies a younger child (perhaps seven years old or younger). Some scholars apply 3816 (país) to a son or daughter up to 20 years old (the age of "complete adulthood" in Scripture).


Luke 18
15Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. 17Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

erchomai: to come, go
Original Word: ἔρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: erchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-khom-ahee)
Short Definition: I come, go
Definition: I come, go.

Strong's Greek 2064
637 Occurrences

ἔρχεσθαι πρός τόν Ἰησοῦν, to commit oneself to the instruction of Jesus and enter into fellowship with him, John 5:40; John 6:35, 37, 44, 45, 65; πρός τό φῶς, to submit oneself to the power of the light, John 3:20f.

Matthew 2:8 V-APA-NMS
GRK: ὅπως κἀγὼ ἐλθὼν προσκυνήσω αὐτῷ
NAS: that I too may come and worship
KJV: that I may come and worship
INT: that I also having come might worship him

Matthew 2:9 V-APA-NMS
GRK: αὐτούς ἕως ἐλθὼν ἐστάθη ἐπάνω
NAS: them until it came and stood
KJV: them, till it came and stood over
INT: them until having come it stood over

Matthew 2:11 V-APA-NMP
GRK: καὶ ἐλθόντες εἰς τὴν
NAS: After coming into the house they saw
KJV: And when they were come into
INT: And having come into the

Matthew 2:23 V-APA-NMS
GRK: καὶ ἐλθὼν κατῴκησεν εἰς
NAS: and came and lived in a city
KJV: And he came and dwelt in
INT: and having come he dwelt in

Matthew 3:7 V-PPM/P-AMP
GRK: καὶ Σαδδουκαίων ἐρχομένους ἐπὶ τὸ
NAS: and Sadducees coming for baptism,
KJV: and Sadducees come to his
INT: and Sadducees coming to the

etc

so, would Jesus have said : BUT - don't baptize them. they should come to me, and you should not hinder them, but by no means baptize them?

if the argument is from silence; what is the age of accountability?
 

notuptome

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The Lord blessed infants. I think it wise for us to do the same. I think infants should be baptized often and that by their parents. Infants certainly need a washing on a regular basis. For that matter so do the rest of us. Rub a dub lots of soap in the tub.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

LovePink

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if the argument is from silence; what is the age of accountability?
The real important aspect, which is foundational, that should be asked and/or pondered is... Did Christ die for all of their sins, past, present and future, yes. Can the Holy Spirit work the grace of God without water & mens hands, yes. Infants belong to Christ, dead in the womb, who die upon birth, who are aborted and who die as children, who are born with disability and die as adults. The god of the doctrine of infant baptism is a monster.

The bible gives us evidence of infants having faith, the faith of Christ, worked in them by the grace of God- there is a verse about the man John, maybe two, let me look to refresh myself. John the baptist is a great example to the bondge of the bad doctrine of infant baptism or even the age of accountability doctrine. Water baptism had a purpose in various ministries gospel calls for the kingdom of heaven & the kingdom of God.
 

starfield

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The Lord blessed infants. I think it wise for us to do the same. I think infants should be baptized often and that by their parents. Infants certainly need a washing on a regular basis. For that matter so do the rest of us. Rub a dub lots of soap in the tub.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Haha! Rub-a-dub-dub everybody in the tub. :p

[video=youtube;UZmcYgyky2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZmcYgyky2c[/video]
 

posthuman

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is "Let the children come to me" the same as "thou shalt bring the children to me"?
was Agrippa saved because the gospel was presented to him, or was he condemned because though he was shown the gospel, he didn't receive it? (Acts 26)

Eli's sons were certainly dedicated to the service in the temple, but did that dedication guarantee their righteousness?
certainly not.

Eli's sons were wicked men; they had no regard for the LORD.
(2 Samuel 2:12)

so that dedication by ritual was meaningless. only dedication of the heart​ matters. in as much as infant baptism signifies the intent of the parents to bring up the child in the faith, if that being honestly the case, and not simple ritualism, then it's a profitable public sign but isn't worth anything more than what it signifies.

if all that's necessary for salvation is that someone else baptize you, whether by your will or not, evangelists might better spend their time by putting aside their dais and microphone and picking up a firehose.



Adolf Hitler was baptized as an infant. anyone able to explain what good that did?
it speaks to the faith of his mother and has nothing to do with his own life.



 

zone

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and Lutherans believe you can fall away from the faith.