Interesting view on hell I found... (even though I do not believe it's tr

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LW97

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Can you really imagine that God has created a place where He will burn people forever? Where God himself says to Jeremiah, "[FONT=&quot]And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.[/FONT]" As many believe, Satan would sit in hell and wait for people there, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that Satan is in such a place. But he was thrown on the earth! Jesus also spoke in Matthew 5:23 not of the fire of hell, but of the hell of fire. And this earth will burn! Once in Revelation, read the fifth trumpet. It is not the people who come into the abyss, but the demons from the abyss on this earth! This earth will be hell. The lake of fire in Revelation mentioned after the thousand years is the second death. There is no resurrection from this death. Because Hades, the realm of the dead, comes into this lake of fire. And Hades is not a person who has done evil, that he should burn forever. It only indicates that it no longer exists after that, just as death no longer exists. And if after that, as it is written, there will be no pain, no crying, no grief, how could people in hell burn forever? Because then there would still be pain and crying and grief. But there is still Hades, the realm of the dead and certainly two areas in it. But these are not "up" and "down". For in the parable of Jesus, where he speaks of the rich man and poor Lazarus, it does not say that they can not come "up," but "across." So they are on the same level. And the gap between them and humanly insurmountable has been filled by Jesus. By his grace and his sacrifice, there is a bridge. otherwise all those who died before Jesus would be lost. Because it is written that in the three days of his physical death, Jesus went to prison in prison in order to bring the gospel to them too. And we also know that his people Israel, Jesus will only recognize as Messiah when he comes again. Yet they are enemies in the gospel (Romans 11: 25-36). But God will have mercy on them too. For mercy triumphs in judgment. In the thousand years Jesus is ruling, all human beings will have the opportunity to see and choose His rule. Unfortunately, many will vote against his rule, but no one can say more that he did not recognize Jesus.
 
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Nehemiah6

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This person is SERIOUSLY CONFUSED. How does one even begin to address this level of confusion where Scriptures are mishmashed into a strange doctrine?

A user wrote:

Can you really imagine that God has created a place where He will burn people forever? Where God himself says to Jeremiah, "And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart." As many believe, Satan would sit in hell and wait for people there, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that Satan is in such a place. But he was thrown on the earth! Jesus also spoke in Matthew 5:23 not of the fire of hell, but of the hell of fire. And this earth will burn! Once in Revelation, read the fifth trumpet. It is not the people who come into the abyss, but the demons from the abyss on this earth! This earth will be hell. The lake of fire in Revelation mentioned after the thousand years is the second death. There is no resurrection from this death. Because Hades, the realm of the dead, comes into this lake of fire. And Hades is not a person who has done evil, that he should burn forever. It only indicates that it no longer exists after that, just as death no longer exists. And if after that, as it is written, there will be no pain, no crying, no grief, how could people in hell burn forever? Because then there would still be pain and crying and grief. But there is still Hades, the realm of the dead and certainly two areas in it. But these are not "up" and "down". For in the parable of Jesus, where he speaks of the rich man and poor Lazarus, it does not say that they can not come "up," but "across." So they are on the same level. And the gap between them and humanly insurmountable has been filled by Jesus. By his grace and his sacrifice, there is a bridge. otherwise all those who died before Jesus would be lost. Because it is written that in the three days of his physical death, Jesus went to prison in prison in order to bring the gospel to them too. And we also know that his people Israel, Jesus will only recognize as Messiah when he comes again. Yet they are enemies in the gospel (Romans 11: 25-36). But God will have mercy on them too. For mercy triumphs in judgment. In the thousand years Jesus is ruling, all human beings will have the opportunity to see and choose His rule. Unfortunately, many will vote against his rule, but no one can say more that he did not recognize Jesus.
 

Ahwatukee

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Can you really imagine that God has created a place where He will burn people forever? Where God himself says to Jeremiah, "And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart." As many believe, Satan would sit in hell and wait for people there, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that Satan is in such a place. But he was thrown on the earth! Jesus also spoke in Matthew 5:23 not of the fire of hell, but of the hell of fire. And this earth will burn! Once in Revelation, read the fifth trumpet. It is not the people who come into the abyss, but the demons from the abyss on this earth! This earth will be hell. The lake of fire in Revelation mentioned after the thousand years is the second death. There is no resurrection from this death. Because Hades, the realm of the dead, comes into this lake of fire. And Hades is not a person who has done evil, that he should burn forever. It only indicates that it no longer exists after that, just as death no longer exists. And if after that, as it is written, there will be no pain, no crying, no grief, how could people in hell burn forever? Because then there would still be pain and crying and grief. But there is still Hades, the realm of the dead and certainly two areas in it. But these are not "up" and "down". For in the parable of Jesus, where he speaks of the rich man and poor Lazarus, it does not say that they can not come "up," but "across." So they are on the same level. And the gap between them and humanly insurmountable has been filled by Jesus. By his grace and his sacrifice, there is a bridge. otherwise all those who died before Jesus would be lost. Because it is written that in the three days of his physical death, Jesus went to prison in prison in order to bring the gospel to them too. And we also know that his people Israel, Jesus will only recognize as Messiah when he comes again. Yet they are enemies in the gospel (Romans 11: 25-36). But God will have mercy on them too. For mercy triumphs in judgment. In the thousand years Jesus is ruling, all human beings will have the opportunity to see and choose His rule. Unfortunately, many will vote against his rule, but no one can say more that he did not recognize Jesus.
There is so much error in this thinking, I don't even know where to begin! Scripture is very clear about the existence of Sheol/Hades as a place of temporary punishment, as well as Gehenna, the lake of fire, as the final place of punishment. There will be everlasting punishment, of this there is not doubt. Satan would love to have people believe that God just burns people up to non existence in the Lake of fire, because they can accept non existence. If that were true, then all of the people who ever committed suicide would get exactly what they wanted in the first place, which is non existence. However, scripture makes it clear that the torment in the lake of fire is everlasting. That is the truth of God's word, regardless of what these annihilationist would like to believe.

Once an individual dies without Christ, God's love, grace and mercy are over for that person. At the great white throne judgment, there will be no grace or mercy mixed in with God's judgment. That old phase of "the judge throwing the book at you," is exactly what is going to happen at that judgment. The unrighteous dead will be held accountable for every sinful action that they ever committed. While those in Christ dead and living, He was held accountable for every believers sins.


That we have false teachers galore, is also a proof that we are in the last days.
 

tourist

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There is so much error in this thinking, I don't even know where to begin! Scripture is very clear about the existence of Sheol/Hades as a place of temporary punishment, as well as Gehenna, the lake of fire, as the final place of punishment. There will be everlasting punishment, of this there is not doubt. Satan would love to have people believe that God just burns people up to non existence in the Lake of fire, because they can accept non existence. If that were true, then all of the people who ever committed suicide would get exactly what they wanted in the first place, which is non existence. However, scripture makes it clear that the torment in the lake of fire is everlasting. That is the truth of God's word, regardless of what these annihilationist would like to believe.

Once an individual dies without Christ, God's love, grace and mercy are over for that person. At the great white throne judgment, there will be no grace or mercy mixed in with God's judgment. That old phase of "the judge throwing the book at you," is exactly what is going to happen at that judgment. The unrighteous dead will be held accountable for every sinful action that they ever committed. While those in Christ dead and living, He was held accountable for every believers sins.


That we have false teachers galore, is also a proof that we are in the last days.
Perhaps not all that commit suicide did so because they want non-existence but rather an end to their pain and suffering.
 

MattforJesus

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Concerning the great white throne judgment after the millennial reign of Christ is that some people can be saved, for God is a fair God and will not condemn people that have not heard the word of God, or not sufficiently.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Creation testifies of a God, and of His attributes which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and is the universal law whether people heard the word of God or not, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people, which is the only way a Christian can make it to heaven.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The book of life was opened for some people will make it after the millennial reign of Christ, for they believed in a higher power that created all things, and they loved people, and asked this higher power to forgive them if anything is amiss.

They could not be with God until after the millennial reign of Christ, but some will make it to be with God.

People that rejected the truth, or accepted the truth but were hypocritical, or serious errors that did not give glory to God, will not make it, but all who have not heard the truth of God, or not sufficiently, some of them will make it to be with God.

The great white throne judgment is not to condemn all who appear there but to judge them that rejected the truth, or has not heard the truth, and the book of life was opened so some will make it.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

One could say but this only applies to those that take the mark of the beast who will rule for three and one half years.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

But Jesus says it applies to all who rejects truth, rejected truth by hearing the word of God, and rejected the truth that there is a higher power that loves people, and they decided not to love people properly.

I do not like to discuss this topic but what am I supposed to do ignore it when the Bible says it is everlasting punishment.
 

Nehemiah6

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Concerning the great white throne judgment after the millennial reign of Christ is that some people can be saved...
Not if you follows the chronological order given in Revelation 20.

After the battle of Gog and Magog, there are no more opportunities for salvation.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

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And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

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And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

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And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

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And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

garee

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Its one of those doctrines that a person searches out.
Hell is a living tribulation that we suffer on earth while we still have human breath . It is never depicted as something a person can do once they are dead, really dead .Not dead asleep like the saints. They will be awoken to new spirit life


When a person dies their corrupted flesh returns to dust and the temporal spirit returns to God, the father of all spirits, they will not rise to new spirit life on the last day .

God is a God of mercy not torture as a cruel punishment as in eternal suffering because some were freely given grace and others not. The dead know nothing(No pain )

2 Samuel 22:6
The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Jonah 2:2
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

The belly of the whale sorrowful unto death not dead... the dead feel no pain. Jesus suffered and cried out just a Jonas and the father heard the Son and strengthen him just as the father strengthened Jonas to finish the sufferings of hell .

And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry yehere, and watch
.Mark 14


 
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LW97

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Not if you follows the chronological order given in Revelation 20.

After the battle of Gog and Magog, there are no more opportunities for salvation.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Correct, that is true