Is america becoming a Pagan nation?

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JaumeJ

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Are you a red letter Christian?
I do read, study, Paul, but my Authority can only be the One Who died for me and You. Red letter? Perhaps. Jesus Yeshua is Number One and my true and exclusive Authority.
 

John146

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I do read, study, Paul, but my Authority can only be the One Who died for me and You. Red letter? Perhaps. Jesus Yeshua is Number One and my true and exclusive Authority.
Every word of Paul is straight from the Lord as well. Same goes for the OT scriptures. All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
 

John146

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are you a person who likes to label christians in to different sections.
I didn't come up with it. A red letter Christian is one who only thinks the teachings of Jesus is valid. This is a dangerous outlook on the Bible.
 

SomeDisciple

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Trump wanted to- or at least he said he wanted to- stop government incentives for sin basically.
That's the main difference between the right and the left. The left wants to reward sloth, transgenderism, homosexuality, promotes globalism, even though it was God who divided the nations and kingdoms determining the boundary thereof. Promotes racism, promotes lawlessness, promotes abortion....
Trump was no man of Holy virtue, I know that- but it's better to have a hypocrite who acknowledges there is right and wrong- that's better than saying "there is no right and wrong, borders are imaginary, the unborn aren't people, and there is no god"

Is America pagan? The entire world is pagan, but America used to have a better idea of right and wrong. Used to understand that righteousness is blessed and sin leads to destruction- but not anymore.
 

JaumeJ

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#46
Many times, reading Paul, I see his main witness is Paul.
 

p_rehbein

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Parts of America have always been a pagan Nation......

As has every Nation in the rest of the world.
 

CS1

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2 Chronicles 7:14
14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Does humbling your self happen all the time, i mean if the whole nation humbles themselfs just for one day, will they humble them selfs for ever. well all i can say is i would love that. but guess what, if come tomorrow the whole of america humbles them self befor the lord in one big huge event all at the same time.. come the next day you will see spiritual warfare like never befor.

Today is the day of salvation if you can be saved on one day and not promised tomorrow surely God will hear those who humble themselves in sincerity and truth. IF it was not done in truth it was not done and if it is done in truth they will continue for many days



FYI if you are not seeing spiritual warfare now as never before you are late. To think we do not humble ourselves because the enemy will attack us? The devil is going to do that anyway it's his M.O.
 

Nehemiah6

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I'm a little confused by the title.
Perhaps the poster himself is confused. Paganism is a very specific set of beliefs and there may be a very small number of Pagans in America.

However there is no question that the illegitimate Biden government and the Democrats are determined to make America into another godless totalitarian Communist country with third world status. Donald Trump failed to drain the Swamp, but it is the present Supreme Court which is responsible for the destruction of America. Their dereliction of duty is the primary reason for Biden being treated as "president" when he should be behind bars.

And then we have traitor Mike Pence who refused to do what is right while pretending to be loyal to Trump. What is most disturbing is that the people who took an oath to defend America against all enemies (including domestic enemies) do not see the cabal in D.C. as domestic enemies and traitors. The military should have arrested Biden and the whole gang of criminals in Washington.
 
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Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
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Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Dan 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
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Yahweh choose's the king that the nation deserves......

God Bless!!
 

de-emerald

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Today is the day of salvation if you can be saved on one day and not promised tomorrow surely God will hear those who humble themselves in sincerity and truth. IF it was not done in truth it was not done and if it is done in truth they will continue for many days



FYI if you are not seeing spiritual warfare now as never before you are late. To think we do not humble ourselves because the enemy will attack us? The devil is going to do that anyway it's his M.O.
I dont think a whole nation could be ready for it, thats the sad part. i know of many problems with people not being ready for the spiritual warfare but one is to be loving for loving and being humble because the lord works in your heart. or one recieves the gift of being humble through prayer also. or one is taught to be humble from an early age.

fyi i was not sugesting you should be humble for something in return. what i was saying exactly was what does the scripture mean you posted ? was it for the land of those who humble themselfs befor the lord, or was it for a whole nation of peopel and all land ? but ps i do like the scripture,, without recalling the scripture and reading it right through im sure it was for the whole of isreal,,which means what,, a future event maybe
 

crossnote

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Many times, reading Paul, I see his main witness is Paul.
So all of scripture is not inspired after all?

2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 

AandW

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I only voted 2 times in an american election and both times were for Trump, so dont get me wrong here................

I want to open a conversation about Trump and the possibility of him being a strong illusion on for us
Well before Trump took Office:
1) Abortion [same as sacrificing children to BAAL] was already a LEGAL PAGAN PRACTICE and LAW. [Trump did his best to stop the majority forms of Abortion]

2) The Muslims had the current WORLD LEADERS giving them ownership to Jerusalem. [Trump ensured rightful ownership, in form as Capitol of Israel, concerning Jerusalem]

3) Trump learned quickly the Covid 19 was a Bio-Weapon unleashed upon the World. [Trump, along with Science and FDA, created a Vaccine that has literally SAVED MILLIONS of lives with WEAKER GENETICS]



Where is Trump enforcing Paganism at creating an Illusion?
 

Aaron56

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Pagan? No. But perhaps you meant 'Heathen'. Then, I would suggest that it was nothing other than heathen.

What confounds people is the standard from heaven. Many times, we act and teach as if the United States is the standard by which every other nation is judged. Yet, if we examine the United States in light of the characteristics of the nation of a royal priesthood in Christ, it's easy to see the vast differences between the U.S. and what God intended.

One example: the sovereign. In the U.S. the people are the sovereign: what they decree becomes the law of the land. In the kingdom of heaven, God is sovereign, and He has never asked our opinion about anything. He presents the standard through The Son and requires that men follow Him.
 

CS1

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I dont think a whole nation could be ready for it, thats the sad part. i know of many problems with people not being ready for the spiritual warfare but one is to be loving for loving and being humble because the lord works in your heart. or one recieves the gift of being humble through prayer also. or one is taught to be humble from an early age.

fyi i was not sugesting you should be humble for something in return. what i was saying exactly was what does the scripture mean you posted ? was it for the land of those who humble themselfs befor the lord, or was it for a whole nation of peopel and all land ? but ps i do like the scripture,, without recalling the scripture and reading it right through im sure it was for the whole of isreal,,which means what,, a future event maybe
the people of God God hears.
 

Jocund

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I see nothing objectionable with Pagan traditions. It is observing the law of Christ that matters.

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not." - 1 Cor 10:23 KJV


We honour father and mother by carrying forward traditions. It's only when it contradicts the law of Christ that it seems to become an issue.
 

Blik

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So are we once again pitting the words of Paul against the words of Jesus, even though ALL Scripture has the same Author…the Holy Spirit?
And the answer is Yes. Paul is difficult to understand, so Paul is often misunderstood. We need to know that Paul did not oppose Jesus to understand Paul. Some people even say that Paul cancelled all law while Jesus expanded the law into the law plus the spirit of the law. We need Jesus to explain Paul.
 

ResidentAlien

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Perhaps the poster himself is confused. Paganism is a very specific set of beliefs and there may be a very small number of Pagans in America.
There are a lot of pagans in the US (maybe percentage wise the number's low), I just don't thing Trump has anything to do with leading people down that path.

I think CalmPepper may have a different understanding of "pagan" than you or I might have.