Is Catholicism Christian? Are Catholics Saved?

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MattforJesus

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Many people have a belief that is not part of the Bible,and interpret the Bible according to that belief.

Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible,and interpreted scriptures according to his belief.

Scientology did it.

Christian Science did it.

The new age movement did it,which their interpretation is of the occult,exalts people,and spiritual evolution through nature.

And others have done it.

The Roman Catholic Church did it too.

It is obvious that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their religious ways,but held unto them,and interpreted the Bible according to their pagan ways.

Which is why Mary can be the mother of God,and the Queen of heaven,and they exalt her,but Jesus said do not exalt Mary,for all who do the will of God the same is His mother,brethren,and sisters,and all who hear the word of God and do it is as blessed as Mary,and God does not give His glory to another.

And the Pope can be the head of the Church,and they call him Holy Father,but Christ is the head of the Church,and Jesus said to a man that addressed Him according to His humanity,why call Me good,for there is only one good,and that is God,and to call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense,but only call God Father.

And they have many traditions,and practices,that have nothing to do with the word of God,nor did God command such things,but Jesus addressed the Pharisees,and called them hypocrites,for they made the word of God of none effect because of their traditions.

And they have a statue of Mary and bow down to it,but God said do not make a statue of anything in heaven,on earth,or in the sea,and bow down to it.

Also they confess sins to a priest,but Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men,and we confess our sins to God not to a person.

They baptize infants,but infants have to repent of their sins before baptism can take place,and the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,because they are innocent,and protected spiritually,and we are not blamed for Adam and Eve's sin for that is their sin,but when they ate off the tree it gave us a choice between good and evil,so we are born not knowing God,and will sin before we come to Him.

And many other things they do that is not required by God,adding things to what God requires of us.

The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,so why are they doing all those other things.
 

Sagart

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Always remember, we who believe belong to Jesus Christ, not to Paul, not to Timothy, not to Peter, and not to any scholar, for scholars of the Bible have been proven way off the mark since the time our Lord was here on His awesome mission.

Hear Jesus Christ, believe Him always, amen.
Oh! I understand now! We are to hear you and impudently arrogant uneducated men who have never even read the Holy Scriptures, but no one who knows anything about the Bible.
 

JaumeJ

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You may dialogue with family in Christ present, and by the Holy Spirit with God and even the living Scriptures brought to life by the Holy Spirit, but you cannot dialogue with your beloved and highly essteemed schorars.

Now, I do not like the innuendo and bickering, so should you decide to continue in this vein, I will have to treat you as an unbeliever.

Oh! I understand now! We are to hear you and impudently arrogant uneducated men who have never even read the Holy Scriptures, but no one who knows anything about the Bible.
 

Sagart

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Many people have a belief that is not part of the Bible,and interpret the Bible according to that belief.

Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible,and interpreted scriptures according to his belief.

Scientology did it.

Christian Science did it.

The new age movement did it,which their interpretation is of the occult,exalts people,and spiritual evolution through nature.

And others have done it.

The Roman Catholic Church did it too.

It is obvious that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their religious ways,but held unto them,and interpreted the Bible according to their pagan ways.

Which is why Mary can be the mother of God,and the Queen of heaven,and they exalt her,but Jesus said do not exalt Mary,for all who do the will of God the same is His mother,brethren,and sisters,and all who hear the word of God and do it is as blessed as Mary,and God does not give His glory to another.

And the Pope can be the head of the Church,and they call him Holy Father,but Christ is the head of the Church,and Jesus said to a man that addressed Him according to His humanity,why call Me good,for there is only one good,and that is God,and to call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense,but only call God Father.

And they have many traditions,and practices,that have nothing to do with the word of God,nor did God command such things,but Jesus addressed the Pharisees,and called them hypocrites,for they made the word of God of none effect because of their traditions.

And they have a statue of Mary and bow down to it,but God said do not make a statue of anything in heaven,on earth,or in the sea,and bow down to it.

Also they confess sins to a priest,but Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men,and we confess our sins to God not to a person.

They baptize infants,but infants have to repent of their sins before baptism can take place,and the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,because they are innocent,and protected spiritually,and we are not blamed for Adam and Eve's sin for that is their sin,but when they ate off the tree it gave us a choice between good and evil,so we are born not knowing God,and will sin before we come to Him.

And many other things they do that is not required by God,adding things to what God requires of us.

The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,so why are they doing all those other things.
Hey, man! Get a grip on reality! And while you are at it—read the Bible!
 

stillness

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Is Catholicism Christian? Are Catholics Saved? Please post with scripture.
Post with scripture? Whosoever will may come and drink of the water of Life freely.
Have a Lady friend who is, she is sometimes closer to the Lord and more mature than me and sometimes the other way around. So she is quite normal except that for only having been with the Lord 5 years and me 40 I'm the one that looks bad but that's good. lol
 

JaumeJ

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When an individual truly believe Jesus Christ, which would induce action, he or she is saved, however many are deceived by the Great Whore and her daughters.
 

stillness

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Just a comment on some of the posts, if I was given the choice between thinking like some of the accusations here or join a catholic church, you know what I would chose and is likely the direction I am directed to go that I may encourage them in some of the best books on prayer they have though they are hard to read like The dark night of the soul about following Jesus in His suffering.
 

jb

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Is Catholicism Christian? Are Catholics Saved?
I'm certainly not surprised at some of the hard hearted uncompassionate replys in this thread!

At the end of the day (and Age) the Lord of all the earth will do right, He knows who are His!

I think when we get to Heaven we'll be surprised to see those whom we didn't expect to be there, there, and those we expected to be there, not there!
 

lastofall

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[for me anyway] No and No; that is, whosoever puts their trust into the hands and power of their doctrine, then No.
 

JaumeJ

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God is going to call His children out of the great Whore, hes He is.
 

mailmandan

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Are Catholics Christian?

Question: Are Catholics Christians? If not, why? This is not a negative question. I desire to honestly know if Catholics are considered to be part of the Christian faith.

Answer: This is a most important question anybody can ask. Am I a Christian? Or am I a Christian in name only? Do I have a living relationship with Christ?

Well then, who has the right to call himself Christian? Like the Jews of old, people still fool themselves in thinking that they are right with God because of some ritual (like circumcision or baptism) or because of their heritage ("I was born into a Christian family and attend a Christian church").

According to the Bible, a true Christian is chosen by God before the foundation of the world, redeemed and forgiven by the blood of Christ, illuminated by the Spirit, knows and obeys the truth of the Gospel. A Christian is someone who trusts in Christ for his salvation, and gives all praise to God for His grace. (Please read Ephesians 1:3-13).

Does a Roman Catholic fit this description? Superficially he does. He believes in Christ and speaks about the grace of God. But if he follows the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, regretfully I must say that he does not really believe in Christ nor does he know the grace of God. Please allow me to explain.

The Gospel teaches that "a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" (Romans 3:28). God regards a person just and righteous who trusts wholeheartedly in Jesus, and who does not attempt to win God's favour by his imperfect obedience of the Law. Sadly, Roman theology has rejected God's way of salvation. To faith, Rome adds a set of deeds (many of which are human inventions) and curses anyone who dares to completely trust in Christ alone for salvation. 'If anyone says that the faith that justifies is nothing else but trust in the divine mercy, which pardons sins because of Christ, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified, let him be anathema.' (Council of Trent, session 6, cannon 12).

We firmly believe that our sins are pardoned because of the sacrifice of Christ alone. Rome would have us perform acts of penance and suffer in purgatory to expiate our sins. The Bible proclaims Christ, the Priest who offered himself once for all. Rome would have us apply to her priests who daily offer their sacrifices on the altar. The Bible proclaims Christ as the only Mediator, Rome would have us apply to other mediators, like Mary, the saints and the church.

Again, we assert that we are "justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24). The Bible clearly defines what grace is: "to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt" (Romans 4:4) Grace is unmerited favour, as opposed to the merit of works. Rome outwardly teaches that we are justified by grace. However the "grace" of Catholicism is a very strange species. The Catholic Church states that "we can then merit for ourselves...the graces needed...for the attainment of eternal life" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2010). To merit grace is a contradiction in terms. Rome would not allow you to receive the gift of salvation with a grateful heart, but would have you work like a slave to merit it.

We are forced to conclude that the message of Rome is a different gospel. It is a false gospel. I say this with much sadness and concern for the multitudes of Catholics who blindly follow this false system. I must warn every Catholic that Christ is of no avail to you unless you relinquish any confidence in yourself and your works, and in every other creature. Faith must be in Christ - alone!

Having said that, I gladly add the following caveat. There may be some nominal Catholics who, either out of ignorance or willful rejection of Catholic doctrine, truly trust in Christ alone for their salvation. They are Christians and really belong to God.

The book of Revelation describes a deceptive and false religious system named Babylon. It is not my intention here to discuss the exact nature of this Babylon - the principle remains the same. Some Christians are trapped inside this deceptive system and God gives them a specific command: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" (Revelation 18:4). Thank God that even in Babylon, God has His people. If you are a Christian entrapped in the false religious system of Rome, hear God's calling and come out of her. You will experience liberty and life like never before.

Are Catholics Christian?

God saves us individually. "Whoever" believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16). Believers make up the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:18,24). There are certain churches that teach a false gospel (like the Roman Catholic church), which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow the teachings of that church.

BUT those who believe the true gospel of grace, and not just whatever their church teaches, are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated. Conversely, one's church may preach the true gospel of grace. If one truly believes the gospel, then one has eternal life. But if one does not believe it, then one is lost even though the official teaching of one's church is correct.
 
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God can save whoever He wants in any denomination u see...... i would think why God would let em stay in the catholic church if they're saved but we dont know............
 

Jackson123

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God can save whoever He wants in any denomination u see...... i would think why God would let em stay in the catholic church if they're saved but we dont know............
God Will is explain in the bible. There in the bible God tell what kind of person Will save. To my knowledge, catholic promote One World Government and It is antichrist government

so catholic work for Lucifer, enemy of God, pretending to be follower of God.
 

Dino246

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I'm certainly not surprised at some of the hard hearted uncompassionate replys in this thread!

At the end of the day (and Age) the Lord of all the earth will do right, He knows who are His!

I think when we get to Heaven we'll be surprised to see those whom we didn't expect to be there, there, and those we expected to be there, not there!
I agree with this post, to a point.

There are certainly many who claim to be "Christian", whom Jesus does not consider "saved". There are likely a few who don't consider themselves "Christian" whom He does consider "saved".

Ultimately, we don't know the state of another's soul. We can only make distinctions based on someone's claimed beliefs and their actions. We can share the gospel with those whom we consider "unsaved". We can point to conflicts between someone's creed and what Scripture teaches.

If we're going to answer cogently a question such as the OP has stated, we need a definition of what "Christian" means, and what it excludes! Truth is fundamentally exclusive, and at the end of the age, Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats.

I believe that there is more than enough within the official teachings of the Catholic church to consider their doctrine non-Christian. I also believe that many who call themselves "Catholic" don't follow or even know much of the contentious doctrine. Perhaps therefore we should be cautious to label the doctrines as non-Christian, while leaving the judgment of people up to God.
 

Locutus

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however many are deceived by the Great Whore and her daughters.
The great whore was apostate Judaism.

But from your statement it looks like you are calling the whore the RCC and it's offshoot protestantism(s)
 

JaumeJ

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The reference is to the Woman on seven hills, the mother of whores with names of blasphemy all over her.

This is prophesied in Revelation for teh end times..........At least i BElieve it is the end times.
 

stillness

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He is calling us to put away our divided spirit "The prostitutes and sinners enter in the kingdom of God before you." This Lady friend of mine in the catholic church is closer to the lord than me. She is an encouragement for me to enter into rest in God.
 

Nehemiah6

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The great whore was apostate Judaism.
That is incorrect. The Reformers (and most evangelical Christians) interpret the great whore as the Roman Catholic Church.


"I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore;"

that noted and famous one, known before to John by the names of Jezabel and Babylon, who taught and caused many to commit fornication, (
Revelation 2:20 ) ( Revelation 14:8 ) and is no other than Rome Papal; for that a city or state is meant is clear from ( Revelation 17:18 ) and it is usual for idolatrous or apostate cities to be called whores or harlots, see ( Isaiah 1:21 ) ( Ezekiel 23:2-4 ) ( Nahum 3:4 ) and she is called a "great" one, because of the largeness of the Papal see; and because of the multitude of persons, the kings of the earth, and the inhabitants of it, with whom the Romish antichrist has committed spiritual fornication, or idolatry: her "judgment" signifies either her sin and wickedness; in which sense the word is used in ( Romans 5:16 ) and which is exposed, ( Revelation 17:5Revelation 17:6 ) namely, her idolatry and cruelty; or else her condemnation, and the execution of it, suggested in ( Revelation 17:8 Revelation 17:16 ) and more largely described in the following chapter:

John Gill's Commentary.
 
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Nehemiah6

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He is calling us to put away our divided spirit "The prostitutes and sinners enter in the kingdom of God before you." This Lady friend of mine in the catholic church is closer to the lord than me. She is an encouragement for me to enter into rest in God.
We need to separate individual Catholics (who may indeed be saved but remain in a false system of Christianity) from the gross errors and false doctrines of Rome (and see them for what they are -- "another gospel" which is accursed).
 

stillness

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We need to separate individual Catholics (who may indeed be saved but remain in a false system of Christianity) from the gross errors and false doctrines of Rome (and see them for what they are -- "another gospel" which is accursed).
I used to think that the Lord was only pleased with the church of Philadelphia in Revelation 3 as He did not have anything to say against them and the meaning of the name is Love of the brethren. But reading it last week with my friend in the catholic church noticed that the Lord also said to them, "Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out." I realised that the Lord was gentle with them because He could not reprove Love, but that they also were immature and not overcomers. So come out of her, and "Go no more out," of His temple applies to practically all of us except a few catholic saints excuse the dry humor catholic: common Faith.