Is Catholicism Christian? Are Catholics Saved?

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Angela53510

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I do NOT HATE Protestants at all. However, MOST Protestants are completely misinformed about scriptures, AND their history! The DEUTEROCANONICAL books (which many of you call the apocrypha) existed LONG BEFORE most of the New Testament was ever WRITTEN! Go ahead, look up their HISTORY!

I know this person is deservedly banned, but just in case he is reading it, of course, the apocrypha was written before the NT. It is called “intertestimental” literature for a reason. It came after the OT, but before the NT. I had to read it for my NT survey course in seminary, because it is a good background to what happened in the time after Malachi, but before the gospels. But, even if they are historically accurate, (which some of the books are not!) that still does not make them “inspired.”
 

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If we flipped the question the post asks, they have already answered definitively.

The Roman Catholic Church at their Council of Trent declared that Protestantism is actually a heresy which means they don't think Protestantism is actually Christian and that none of it's adherents are saved.

The day is coming when a global concordat will be made declaring Catholicism the true form of Christianity. Any not claiming the Roman Church and the Papacy will be given the same treatment as non Catholic Christians received under the Nazis in Germany (it wasn't only Jews), where the Roman Church had a similar concordat. Enjoy the forums while you have the privilege.

Pray for Catholics to come to Jesus and to leave their apostacy.

That is all, God bless ye.
now catholic believe muslim save.

Lumen gentium II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I am not real sure what you are talking about, however all of us are guilty of willfully doing things that are not of God.
Then you haven't read the Bible. Try it. It is one of the MAJOR and most central themes of The Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
 

preacher4truth

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I am not real sure what you are talking about, however all of us are guilty of willfully doing things that are not of God.
That's a likely excuse but at least you allude to your own sin being willful while pointing at others.

When one has a religious sect, namely the RCc, which makes statues and other idolatrous trinkets, of which her subjects are expected to worship, it is willful idolatry and her subjects are complicit. Scripture is clearly against this practice and it is clearly sin and rebellion. Yet you and other RC's use your traditions placed above God's revealed word to excuse yourselves.

Excusing this by saying others sin too won't fly.
 
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Embankment

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That's a likely excuse but at least you allude to your own sin being willful while pointing at others.

When one has a religious sect, namely the RCc, which makes statues and other idolatrous trinkets, of which her subjects are expected to worship, it is willful idolatry and her subjects are complicit. Scripture is clearly against this practice and it is clearly sin and rebellion. Yet you and other RC's use your traditions placed above God's revealed word to excuse yourselves.

Excusing this by saying others sin too won't fly.
Not making excuses for anyone. I am stating that we ALL justify falling short in some form or another. If any of us were perfect then we would be seated beside God at this moment.
 

preacher4truth

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Not making excuses for anyone. I am stating that we ALL justify falling short in some form or another. If any of us were perfect then we would be seated beside God at this moment.
But you are making excuses and you're doing it again.

This has nothing at all to do with being perfect, or falling short that isn't the subject or matter at hand. The matter at hand is the false teachings and idolatry your sect practices and of which you are complicit and in which you willfully sin. It isn't mere "falling short" or "failing to be perfect." Honestly your excuses here are intolerable and deplorable. You're still at least even admitting it is sin by comparing yourself to others.

Your RCc allows and maintains idolatry, you're so caught up in it that you've justified it while pointing at others as an excuse to continue in it willingly. Be honest and accept this, it is a good starting point for you!

You won't be judged on a curve, nor will anyone else. God's judgment is according to truth, Romans 2:2, and the truth is the allowed practice of idolatry in the name of your religion is sinful and against God. They are designed traditions that go against God.

The other glaring factor, while you excuse your sin because of others, is that your RCc has pronounced anathema, unrecanted, on all outside her that are in Christ. Let's apply your excuse to that; "Well, no one is perfect, we all fall short." Please don't make an excuse for staying in her by saying "I don't believe that." Come on. How many excuses for that apostate religion are you allowing? Is that another one? How many more are there? I can name many!

Come on man, own up. I pray God convicts you and gets you out of that sinful and idolatrous religion. He will if you are his elect, I pray that you are.
 

Embankment

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But you are making excuses and you're doing it again.

This has nothing at all to do with being perfect, or falling short that isn't the subject or matter at hand. The matter at hand is the false teachings and idolatry your sect practices and of which you are complicit and in which you willfully sin. It isn't mere "falling short" or "failing to be perfect." Honestly your excuses here are intolerable and deplorable. You're still at least even admitting it is sin by comparing yourself to others.

Your RCc allows and maintains idolatry, you're so caught up in it that you've justified it while pointing at others as an excuse to continue in it willingly. Be honest and accept this, it is a good starting point for you!

You won't be judged on a curve, nor will anyone else. God's judgment is according to truth, Romans 2:2, and the truth is the allowed practice of idolatry in the name of your religion is sinful and against God. They are designed traditions that go against God.

The other glaring factor, while you excuse your sin because of others, is that your RCc has pronounced anathema, unrecanted, on all outside her that are in Christ. Let's apply your excuse to that; "Well, no one is perfect, we all fall short." Please don't make an excuse for staying in her by saying "I don't believe that." Come on. How many excuses for that apostate religion are you allowing? Is that another one? How many more are there? I can name many!

Come on man, own up. I pray God convicts you and gets you out of that sinful and idolatrous religion. He will if you are his elect, I pray that you are.
I am not a Catholic and have no allegiance with them. however, many non Catholics have the same hang ups as Chatholics. The only difference is that Catholics realize they are sinners and own up to it. Many Protestants have a belief that they don't repeatedly and willfully sin when Jesus says you do. It's not a black and white issue as it is being painted here. Both sides need the grace found in Jesus.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Not making excuses for anyone. I am stating that we ALL justify falling short in some form or another. If any of us were perfect then we would be seated beside God at this moment.
May I just ask you to consider......

When we assemble together to worship our God, to praise him and thank him for his very being and for the things he has done for us, is it fitting for us to bring other gods into that worship?

Can you say your conscience is clear if you praise and worship the one true God (YHVH) along side idols at the same time?
When he has expressly, openly and repeatedly asked us not to do it?

And he is clear that it is spiritually detrimental to us. It harms us. He asks us not to do those things because he loves us.

Has God Almighty no right to ask us to love him faithfully?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I am not a Catholic and have no allegiance with them. however, many non Catholics have the same hang ups as Chatholics. The only difference is that Catholics realize they are sinners and own up to it. Many Protestants have a belief that they don't repeatedly and willfully sin when Jesus says you do. It's not a black and white issue as it is being painted here. Both sides need the grace found in Jesus.
Of course it is. Because that is what we are discussing.

You could have a thread for the purposes of discussing each individual type of sin if you wanted to.
I maintain that THIS particular sin has it's own unique danger which is why The Bible repeatedly addresses it.
 

Embankment

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Of course it is. Because that is what we are discussing.

You could have a thread for the purposes of discussing each individual type of sin if you wanted to.
I maintain that THIS particular sin has it's own unique danger which is why The Bible repeatedly addresses it.
I maintain you are criticizing their formal doctrine yet you practice the same sins without formal doctrine. What is the difference? God looks on your heart, and what you do with his message not something written in a dusty book. It's the plank in the eye thing.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I maintain you are criticizing their formal doctrine yet you practice the same sins without formal doctrine. What is the difference? God looks on your heart, and what you do with his message not something written in a dusty book. It's the plank in the eye thing.
I don't bow down to statues. I don't pray to a virgin mother goddess. I don't pray to saints. I repented and left Catholicism 32 years ago.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I maintain you are criticizing their formal doctrine yet you practice the same sins without formal doctrine. What is the difference? God looks on your heart, and what you do with his message not something written in a dusty book. It's the plank in the eye thing.
Another enemy of The Word of God I see.

Dialogue is useless then.
If you don't see the Bible as the authority, as God's written word, you aren't Christian. End of.
You are only here to troll.
 
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"I ask my family and friends to pray for me all the time and I have family and friends (Catholics and non-Catholics) who ask that I pray for them. Catholics ask Mary and the saints to pray for them in the same way. You may not believe that is possible or the correct thing to do, but please don't mistaken it for worship as with the Lord's prayer as an example where we direct that prayer to God."

Well of course its worship, hallowing after seeking that not seen is the faith principle reserved for God alone.Its how we venerate God not seen, and not men seen .

You say same way? What same way? Seeking after disembodied workers with familiar spirits in which you must call Patron saints. There is a legion of them 3500 and rising. Protestants do not seek after necromancy. That’s a Catholic foundation.

Worshiping the unseen (the law of faith) is reserved for our Father in heaven as in one manner called “this manner” It’s not manners as in the sky was the limit. It’s not just hallow, a form of venerating and therefore worship the legion(3500 patron saints ) that are no longer alive on earth. We worship God who has no form, by faith .Not dead sinners that are asleep and will not be awoken until the last day.
Why do the Catholic venerate /worship that seen (men) and not that unseen? (our father in heaven. What’s the goal in that ?
 

Embankment

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Another enemy of The Word of God I see.

Dialogue is useless then.
If you don't see the Bible as the authority, as God's written word, you aren't Christian. End of.
You are only here to troll.
The book I am referring to is whatever the Catholics use in addition to the Bible.
Make no mistake, The Holy Bible is our guide.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I am from a Catholic family, I'm not judging the situation by what is written in books but by experience.
We all gave up being Catholic for lent ;)
 

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I am from a Catholic family, I'm not judging the situation by what is written in books but by experience.
We all gave up being Catholic for lent ;)
I used to give up candy for lent. Actually, my parents insisted on that. I'm from a Catholic family also. If I were still a practicing Catholic I would light a candle for a few of the CC peeps. Easter was always cool as I got my candy back. It was like Halloween.