Is Catholocism bad?

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Hevosmies

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All we are seeing in the self defense of heresy are myriads and facets of not enduring sound doctrine. It comes in many forms, even that of appearing nice, appeasing, as kindness, but it is still a rejection of truth and is a compromising of the Gospel.

This is why I've always been more leary of wolves always pointing to their fleece coats; ("See how nice I am? See my wool?") ;)

Brothers and sisters of mine may appear as wolves or mean-spirited to some due to their biblical defense of the Gospel, but that is of no matter whatsoever, it has always been this way. By the way, no wolf has ever liked the rod of a shepherd, just read the prophets and you'll see it time and again.
And! When a wolf is injured it whines.

There was a jesuit who left the order and he exposed their tactics. One of the ways they would invade baptist churches would be precisely to start preaching false doctirne, then hide under the guise of "love" and say the Pastor or elders of the church are "unloving" and "unchristlike" and "mean" for not allowing him to preach his falsehoods.
But in reality these elders and pastor were men of God DEFENDING the faith against wolves, and in doing so were the LOVING ones, whereas the wolf was UNLOVING one leading people into ERROR.

A parent who allows EVERYTHING, is not a loving parent!
 
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I have no problem saying they are as false as they come.....

a. Idolatry
b. Numerous intecessors
c. Pope elevated to God status
d. Prepay for sins
e. Worship bone fragments, hair, teeth etc...
f. Full of pedophiles
g. False plan of salvation
h. Mary worship
i. Sacramental/Church salvation
j. False notion of purgatory

and the list grows to long to list all of them....!
A sad day indeed when I can make a factual statement and get a red x from a so called believer........the above is factual and true........and the Catholic Church is not of or from God.........!!
 

preacher4truth

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And! When a wolf is injured it whines.

There was a jesuit who left the order and he exposed their tactics. One of the ways they would invade baptist churches would be precisely to start preaching false doctirne, then hide under the guise of "love" and say the Pastor or elders of the church are "unloving" and "unchristlike" and "mean" for not allowing him to preach his falsehoods.
But in reality these elders and pastor were men of God DEFENDING the faith against wolves, and in doing so were the LOVING ones, whereas the wolf was UNLOVING one leading people into ERROR.

A parent who allows EVERYTHING, is not a loving parent!
Yep, just like in Jude, they sneak in...
 

GraceAndTruth

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You have such a long way to go in your understanding of Catholicism.

I have seen so many people think they have figured everything out, but they don't even understand even fractions of the topic.

The sad thing is they are denying themselves the most profound understanding of the Christian faith, and don't know it.

I know catholocism. VERY well.
If Catholics knew catholocism as well as I do, they would be appalled and leave it to the hell it sprang from.
 
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I know catholocism. VERY well.
If Catholics knew catholocism as well as I do, they would be appalled and leave it to the hell it sprang from.
Amen.....the following is just but a sampling of the OATH taken by Jesuit priests......the current POPE is a jesuit.....the Catholic religion is straight from Satan.......

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Amen.....the following is just but a sampling of the OATH taken by Jesuit priests......the current POPE is a jesuit.....the Catholic religion is straight from Satan.......

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
I had never read that, but it is well known that the Jesuits are the "terrorist" arm of the RCC.
 

Hevosmies

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A sad day indeed when I can make a factual statement and get a red x from a so called believer........the above is factual and true........and the Catholic Church is not of or from God.........!!
AMEN BROTHER.

The catholic church plays on HISTORY largely. They make claims of being the original church, where was the church before Luther showed up, etc. etc. Well if anyone wants to know I can give full lecture on it but in short: When you read "catholic church" in early church father writings it was mostly orthodox right-believing christians, NOT the roman catholic version we have today. But after it merged into POLITICS of the roman empire after Constantine, is when things went downhill, it turned into ROMAN catholicism slow and steady, teh persecuted church of God became the PERSECUTOR of the church of God and POLITICAL LEADER of the empire. So where was the true church before Luther showed up they ask? HIDING FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLICS thats where after the 400s! underground.


I love reading the church fathers, but I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS caution people to not blindly believe what they read from there, I have seen first hand of TWO people who have been led back to Rome BECAUSE of reading those early church writings.

Here is the way the process goes:

Joe is a new believer, goes to a protestant church. Joe is doing a google search on his denomination, notices it started after the 1550s and wonders why since Jesus started the church way back then. Where have all the christians been? Joe finds early church fathers' writings and reads them, notices they are more close to catholicism than protestatism. Joe goes to catholic websites or forums and finds claims of being the ORIGINAL church that Jesus founded. Joe joins the roman church.

^the above is what happened to the TWO i know. It was of NO USE trying to explain to them that when you read in church history of "catholic church" it DOES NOT MEAN the ROMAN catholic church of today. Irenaeus had NO IDEA of the Mary/saint worship that is going on in today's catholicism. He had no idea of one Pope false god on earth or any of that stuff. He had no idea of golden palaces and idolatry and odd rituals.

Also think about this guys: You know the verse that says heresies will come in and they will: "forbid to marry and teach to abstain from meats"? Isnt that EXACTLY text-book catholicism? The priests cant marry, and you cant eat meat what was it on fridays or something? And ironically these same catholics translated that Bible and read that verse while translating and didnt even FLINCH. I checked, they even translated it ACCURATELY and still didnt flinch. Thats what you call deception my friends.
 

GraceAndTruth

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PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY READ EARLY CHURCH FATHER DOCUMENTS KNOW WHICH ONES ARE RELIABLE.
example: Origin........completely off his rocker
Tertullian...........was sound in doctrine but erred a bit away when he turned to Montanism in his later years.
Lucius Caeuus was ignorant of scripture and said a lot of stupid things, yet is an "early church father" born circa 240AD
The closer to the living apostles some of the writers were, the more accurate their writings on doctrine, particularly the 3 called the "apostolic fathers"
 

Solemateleft

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Wow, lots of Christians judging other Christians...

Scripture makes it very clear that there is one supreme Judge of all—the Lord God—and that He alone has the authority to determine right and wrong motives and behaviors.

IMHO: Mother Teresa and numerous Catholic grandmothers around the world are Godly Women who are destined for eternal salvation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

Judge Not, That You May Judge Well
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/judge-not-that-you-may-judge-well

Christians are not to judge other Christians. And Christians are to judge other Christians. That’s what the Bible teaches. In fact, the apostle Paul says both things in the same letter just a few paragraphs apart.
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God. (1 Corinthians 4:5)​
Don’t judge other Christians.
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? (1 Corinthians 5:12)​
Judge other Christians.
Is Paul contradicting himself? No. Paul is simply instructing us that there are things we must not judge and things we must judge.

This article goes on to address:
What We Must Not Judge
We must not judge “the hidden . . . purposes of the heart” of other Christians based on their decisions, actions, perspectives, words, or personality that concern us if those things themselves are not explicitly sinful (1 Corinthians 4:5). We must not assume sin if we suspect sin, given how biased our suspicions can be.

What We Must Judge
Christians must judge the explicitly sinful behavior of a professing Christian.

Jesus said a “tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When do the hidden sinful purposes of the heart reveal themselves? In a person’s explicitly sinful behavior. That’s why Paul didn’t even have to be present to pass judgment on a man who engaged in sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 5:3). And he explicitly instructed the Corinthian Christians to pass judgment on him too (1 Corinthians 5:12–13).

Be Slow to Judge
When blatant sin is confirmed, Christians must lovingly judge Christians. But in most situations, we must be very slow to judge, exercising great care and restraint. Our sinful flesh has a hair-trigger to judge others. We must have a healthy suspicion of our own pride, and keep Jesus’s words ringing in our ears: “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Jon Bloom (@Bloom_Jon) serves as author, board chair, and co-founder of Desiring God. He is author of three books, Not by Sight, Things Not Seen, and Don’t Follow Your Heart. He and his wife live in the Twin Cities with their five children
 

tourist

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A sad day indeed when I can make a factual statement and get a red x from a so called believer........the above is factual and true........and the Catholic Church is not of or from God.........!!
I certainly agree with your points on the problem with the Catholic Church, for they are the very reasons that I no longer attend. I just don't understand at all why you believe that Catholics are not Christian. Based on my limited understanding of scripture I have come to believe that if one confesses their sins contritely and ask for forgiveness God will indeed forgive their sins. Still, God is God of justice and there is a price to be paid for these sins, a price that Jesus paid by willingly dying on the cross for the remission of these sins. To have salvation there has to be repentance, which is to turn away from sin. The person who has now been treated with mercy and compassion by the forgiveness of these sins invites the Holy Spirit to live in their heart and allows the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide in the life-long repentance process.

I have known many Catholics, few of which believe or practice all that the Church teaches if it is contrary to scripture, most of these Catholics understand about salvation though and, according to scripture, are indeed saved and will have eternal life in the presence of God. My wife is a life-long SDA, she does not believe each and everything about the doctrine and practices but she has a firm understanding of salvation and she has her salvation also.

I have stated many times previously that the churches in all denominations have flaws, some minor, some serious in their doctrine and practices but that does not mean that it should be assumed that those that attend such a church are not a Christian and that they are eventually going to hell. The bible says not to forsake the assembling together as is their custom. For some, their church home is all that they have ever known. How can those that are currently lost know about salvation if everyone that already does and has received it has already left?

I have no intention of defending the Catholic Church or the SDA church but I will defend those that attend such churches who sincerely believe in the promises of God, have received the gracious gift of salvation, and are doing their best to humbly serve the Lord accomplishing the tasks that their Heavenly Father has prepared for them beforehand.

I'm sorry if my X was disappointing or hurtful to you because I know that you have eternal salvation as well and have a firm grasp of scripture based on your lifetime of experiences and observation. The thing is, some of those that attend the churches that you disparaged, and rightly so in most instances, have eternal salvation too and that the Holy Spirit lives inside of them and will continue to do so. Also, as I have also said, more than once, that I am no better than anyone else and through the years that has become painfully obvious to me.

I believe you to be a first-class Christian, setting a fine example that is worth considering and emulating. I suppose, that I am like you in a way in that I am not afraid to defend what I believe to be true, good, and scripturally sound. We both defend the Word of God but at times in a different way based on our own personal lifetime experiences and observations, as we are led by the Holy Spirit, and by doing so, are sometimes met with ridicule, scorn or disappointment. I suppose that goes with the territory but it is well worth the cost of admission so that a few can be saved, if any.
 

DustyRhodes

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All we are seeing in the self defense of heresy are myriads and facets of not enduring sound doctrine. It comes in many forms, even that of appearing nice, appeasing, as kindness, but it is still a rejection of truth and is a compromising of the Gospel.

This is why I've always been more leary of wolves always pointing to their fleece coats; ("See how nice I am? See my wool?") ;)

Brothers and sisters of mine may appear as wolves or mean-spirited to some due to their biblical defense of the Gospel, but that is of no matter whatsoever, it has always been this way. By the way, no wolf has ever liked the rod of a shepherd, just read the prophets and you'll see it time and again.[/QUOTE

simple love is simple truth...love will never fail...words are always bound to fail.
 

tourist

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Amen.....the following is just but a sampling of the OATH taken by Jesuit priests......the current POPE is a jesuit.....the Catholic religion is straight from Satan.......

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
This is obviously evil and those that actually take such an oath are either seriously misguided or evil themselves. Such a display of hatred to those that are not of their ilk. It is sick. I am sure that Jesus is appalled as well.
 

wolfwint

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Exactly. It's a whole level of understanding above. It's not that the Protestants are stupid or bad, everyone is doing their best, however it's the difference between the inspired interpretation of scripture and the thousands of traditions of men that came after Luther who was the first major private interpreter of scripture.
Who can say that his interpretation is inspired from God? The word of God is inspired. But not the interpretation.
F.e. RCC is teaching that Mary was virgin before and after getting Jesus. The word of God shows clearly that Jesus had Brothers and Sisters. How do explain RCC this. RCC claimed that Mary went to heaven. No single scripture proof for that.
It may be that US catholics are different then german catholics. I have RCC relatives. And know what the church teaches. It may be also that you can find true believers among catholics. But the RCC doctrine is leading into a false way. The christian terms may be the same. But the meaning of the terms are different.
One leading catholic nun told me that it is not shure that she will come into heaven. Nobody can be shure of it, she says. But I can say from the word of God, that I can have this shureness.
Praise the Lord.
 

kaylagrl

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Wow, lots of Christians judging other Christians...

Scripture makes it very clear that there is one supreme Judge of all—the Lord God—and that He alone has the authority to determine right and wrong motives and behaviors.

IMHO: Mother Teresa and numerous Catholic grandmothers around the world are Godly Women who are destined for eternal salvation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

Judge Not, That You May Judge Well
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/judge-not-that-you-may-judge-well

Christians are not to judge other Christians. And Christians are to judge other Christians. That’s what the Bible teaches. In fact, the apostle Paul says both things in the same letter just a few paragraphs apart.
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God. (1 Corinthians 4:5)​
Don’t judge other Christians.
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? (1 Corinthians 5:12)​
Judge other Christians.
Is Paul contradicting himself? No. Paul is simply instructing us that there are things we must not judge and things we must judge.

This article goes on to address:
What We Must Not Judge
We must not judge “the hidden . . . purposes of the heart” of other Christians based on their decisions, actions, perspectives, words, or personality that concern us if those things themselves are not explicitly sinful (1 Corinthians 4:5). We must not assume sin if we suspect sin, given how biased our suspicions can be.

What We Must Judge
Christians must judge the explicitly sinful behavior of a professing Christian.

Jesus said a “tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When do the hidden sinful purposes of the heart reveal themselves? In a person’s explicitly sinful behavior. That’s why Paul didn’t even have to be present to pass judgment on a man who engaged in sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 5:3). And he explicitly instructed the Corinthian Christians to pass judgment on him too (1 Corinthians 5:12–13).

Be Slow to Judge
When blatant sin is confirmed, Christians must lovingly judge Christians. But in most situations, we must be very slow to judge, exercising great care and restraint. Our sinful flesh has a hair-trigger to judge others. We must have a healthy suspicion of our own pride, and keep Jesus’s words ringing in our ears: “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Jon Bloom (@Bloom_Jon) serves as author, board chair, and co-founder of Desiring God. He is author of three books, Not by Sight, Things Not Seen, and Don’t Follow Your Heart. He and his wife live in the Twin Cities with their five children



The Catholic faith is a false faith. They have many dangerous beliefs,the main one being that the Pope is Christ on earth,not to mention Mary being able co-redempt like Christ. Prayers to saints and Mary are all false doctrine. Read the history of the church. There is a reason there is something called the Protest-ant church. When we see false doctrine we are to speak out. Has nothing to do with judgement.
 

Hevosmies

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Didn't the Israelites kill a bunch of people to take over their land too lol
They sure did. And im glad they did.

Now we got the promised seed delivered through the nation of Israel. (Jesus Christ)

Now, i assume this question was kind of provocative in nature based on your previous posts here, BUT, i responded to show people: this is how you handle it when people bring up something from the Bible in order to make you feel ashamed. Instead of backing off and making up excuses and explaining this unnecessarily, just stand firm in the truth and say: "Yeah buddy. They sure did wipe em amalakites out."
 

umzza

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They sure did. And im glad they did.

Now we got the promised seed delivered through the nation of Israel. (Jesus Christ)

Now, i assume this question was kind of provocative in nature based on your previous posts here, BUT, i responded to show people: this is how you handle it when people bring up something from the Bible in order to make you feel ashamed. Instead of backing off and making up excuses and explaining this unnecessarily, just stand firm in the truth and say: "Yeah buddy. They sure did wipe em amalakites out."
I’m not sure why the question is provocative. Not sure why I would be making people feel ashamed. Feel like people are reading too much into my questions at times.
 

kaylagrl

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They sure did. And im glad they did.

Now we got the promised seed delivered through the nation of Israel. (Jesus Christ)

Now, i assume this question was kind of provocative in nature based on your previous posts here, BUT, i responded to show people: this is how you handle it when people bring up something from the Bible in order to make you feel ashamed. Instead of backing off and making up excuses and explaining this unnecessarily, just stand firm in the truth and say: "Yeah buddy. They sure did wipe em amalakites out."
You beat me to it. Was about to make the same point.
 

Hevosmies

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I’m not sure why the question is provocative. Not sure why I would be making people feel ashamed. Feel like people are reading too much into my questions at times.
I apologize.

But your profile says "unsure" on spiritual status. Hence i assumed you are not a christian