Is following God TO inconvienent for us to do?

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Chopsui101

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If God says that the 7th day is the day of rest. Why do all main stream Christians go to Church on Sunday? Is it to inconvenient for us to follow God? If we can change the Sabbath what other rules that God has set out for us can we change?

There is no evidence in the Bible that would support any other day than the 7th day. I know that not going to Church on the 7th day probably won't deny you salvation. But it is the fact that God said it and most people consider it to be a inconvenience to do this. The fact that you can dismiss what God says with the slight of a hand simply because it doesn't fit into your agenda.....

Maybe I am gonna start skipping Bible verses simply because I don't wanna mold my life after the Bible...I want to mold the Bible after my life.....
 
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Chopsui101 said:
If God says that the 7th day is the day of rest. Why do all main stream Christians go to Church on Sunday? Is it to inconvenient for us to follow God? If we can change the Sabbath what other rules that God has set out for us can we change?

There is no evidence in the Bible that would support any other day than the 7th day. I know that not going to Church on the 7th day probably won't deny you salvation. But it is the fact that God said it and most people consider it to be a inconvenience to do this. The fact that you can dismiss what God says with the slight of a hand simply because it doesn't fit into your agenda.....

Maybe I am gonna start skipping Bible verses simply because I don't wanna mold my life after the Bible...I want to mold the Bible after my life.....
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Jesus was our Sabbath rest, see the book of Hebrews. The early church met on the first day of the week because it was the day Christ was risen.
 
Chopsui101

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Baptistrw said:
Jesus was our Sabbath rest, see the book of Hebrews. The early church met on the first day of the week because it was the day Christ was risen.
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Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his


Gen 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing. On the seventh day he stopped the work he had been doing.
 
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One man esteemteh one day above another: another esteemteh every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.. Romans 14:4 Let no man therefore judge you in meat ,or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon or of the sabbath days: which are a shodow of things to come. but the body is of Christ. colossians.2:16:17 But now after that ye had known God or rather are known of God how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements.whereunto ye desire to be again in bondage? ye abserve days and months and times and years. I am afraid of you ,lest i have bestowed upon you labour in vain. galatians 4:9-11
 
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In keeping with the entirety of "the law" then, since you don't get to pick and choose which verses of Scripture you're going to follow, please don't forget that anyone who does work on the Sabbath "must be put do death" (Exodus 35:2).
Seriously, though, the early Christian church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and within weeks, thousands of Jews willingly gave up a theological tradition that had given them their national identity. Christ's empty grave was discovered after the Sabbath and in honor of His resurrection the early church began gathering together on Sunday's. Now I do not hold anything against 7th day adventists for being convicted to honor God on Saturday, but I do disagree with them in telling others that theirs is the "proper day". It's not about which day, but about honoring the Lord everyday. It's not about holding to which day is more special than the other, but considering Him special, the one who delivered us from the penalty of the law. "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us....." - Galatians 3:13.


Collossians 2:16-17 says, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

God know our hearts, and if one is convicted to honor God on Saturday with fellowship and follows that conviction, then that's awesome. If one is convicted to worship God on Sunday and follows that conviction, then the same blessings are upon him, but neither should judge the other for doing so.

"In the end, religious rites must inevitably bow to redemptive realities."
 
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The Sabbath day was, and always will be, the seventh day of the week (Saturday).
God rested on the seventh day, after the six days of creation (Gen. 2:2). He did not command man to keep the Sabbath day at that time, although He may have intended the principle-one day of rest in every seven-to be followed.
The nation of Israel was commanded to keep the Sabbath when the Ten Commandments were given (Ex. 20:8). The law of the Sabbath was different from the other nine commandments; it was a ceremonial law while the others were moral. The only reason it was wrong to work on the Sabbath was because God said so. The other commandments had to do with things that were intrinsically wrong.
The prohibition against work on the Sabbath was never intended to apply to: the service of God (Matt. 12:5), deeds of necessity (Matt. 12:3, 4), or deeds of mercy (Matt. 12:11, 12). Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the NT, not as law but as instructions for Christians living under grace. The only commandment Christians are never told to keep is that of the Sabbath. Rather, Paul teaches that the Christian cannot be condemned for failing to keep it (Col. 2:16).
The distinctive day of Christianity is the first day of the week. The Lord Jesus rose from the dead on that day (John 20:1), a proof that the work of redemption had been completed and divinely approved. On the next two Lord's Days, He met with His disciples (John 20:19, 26). The Holy Spirit was given on the first day of the week (Acts 2:1; cf. Lev. 23:15, 16). The early disciples met on that day to break bread, showing forth the Lord's death (Acts 20:7). It is the day appointed by God on which Christians should set aside funds for the work of the Lord (1 Cor. 16:1, 2).
The Sabbath or seventh day came at the end of a week of toil; the Lord's Day, or Sunday, begins a week with the restful knowledge that the work of redemption has been completed. The Sabbath commemorated the first creation; the Lord's Day is linked with the new creation. The Sabbath day was a day of responsibility; the Lord's Day is a day of privilege.
Christians do not "keep" the Lord's Day as a means of earning salvation or achieving holiness, nor from fear of punishment. They set it apart because of loving devotion to the One who gave Himself for them. Because we are released from the routine, secular affairs of life on this day, we can set it apart in a special way for the worship and service of Christ.
It is not right to say that the Sabbath was changed to the Lord's Day. The Sabbath is Saturday and the Lord's Day is Sunday. The Sabbath was a shadow; the substance is Christ (Col. 2:16, 17). The resurrection of Christ marked a new beginning, and the Lord's day signifies that beginning.
As a faithful Jew living under the law, Jesus kept the Sabbath (in spite of the accusations of the Pharisees to the contrary). As the Lord of the Sabbath, He freed it from the false rules and regulations with which it had become encrusted.
 
MahogonySnail

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Baptistrw is right.

Worshipping on a Sunday was never meant to be the Sabbath.

The SDA church unfortunately re-invented past history, claiming that the day of worship was changed from Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, which is simply not true.

By the way even the SDA church doesn't actually keep the Sabbath according to God's commands (if you read the old testament it forbids even going out of your tent, or house on the Sabbath, but SDA's travel to church?), but they have their own version of it.
 
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i supposed Jesus himself healed someone on the sabbath day.
 
Chopsui101

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I beg to differ...the Christians twisted the Bible to fit their needs. It was changed by the Pope, and modern day Christians are simply un willing to admit that the day they worship on could be wrong, so they twist and turn the Bible to fit into their needs rather than mold their life after the Bible
 
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Chopsui101 said:
I beg to differ...the Christians twisted the Bible to fit their needs. It was changed by the Pope, and modern day Christians are simply un willing to admit that the day they worship on could be wrong, so they twist and turn the Bible to fit into their needs rather than mold their life after the Bible
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Yeah, that was definitely it.. NOT. Biblical ignorance makes me sick.
 
MahogonySnail

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The root word for Sabbath means "to cease" , it does not mean "seventh". So it is perfectly acceptable to have this day of rest on any day of the week.

There is no record of anyone keeping the Sabbath prior to Law of Moses.
Despite the argument that God made the Sabbath at creation, God never gave any command prior to Moses, that people had to keep the sabbath... Adam and Eve never kept the Sabbath,
Abraham and Lot didn't keep the Sabbath, Noah didn't keep the Sabbath, in fact you won't find the word Sabbath in the bible anywhere prior to the book of Exodus.

SDA's claim to keep the Sabbath but in fact they have a loose interpretation of it, if you compare their practices with how the old testament Jews kept it, or even some orthodox Jews today, it doesn't agree. Therefore they are hypocrites - they don't really keep the Sabbath properly. For example, turning electric devices on or off could be classed as "lighting a fire", that's forbidden on the Sabbath. But plenty of SDA's use lightbulbs on the Sabbath. If SDA's travel to church on a Saturday in their car, that is a big no no, as fires are being lit within the cars engine. There's no such thing as obeying half of God's requirements, you either keep the Sabbath properly or don't keep it at all. The 10 commandments cannot be separated from the rest of Torah. So SDA cannot just simply observe the Sabbath in your own way, and ignore the rules about lighting fires, travelling, etc, and claim to be keeping the Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath is only one of the Sabbath's which the Jews had to keep. SDA's don't keep all the Sabbaths God commanded and therefore they are hypocrites.
 
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I'm wondering why my post disappeared from here???
 
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MahogonySnail said:
For example, turning electric devices on or off could be classed as "lighting a fire", that's forbidden on the Sabbath. But plenty of SDA's use lightbulbs on the Sabbath. If SDA's travel to church on a Saturday in their car, that is a big no no, as fires are being lit within the cars engine.
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Are you listening to yourself? I don't think you are making an attempt at even being rational. If turning on a electrical device or starting your car is even remotely connected to starting a fire, when in the summer when there is a fire ban in place, does this mean you can't start your car, light a candle, or plug in an electrical device....Wow, the ways you attempt to justify what you do is comical at best
 
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Are you listening to yourself? I don't think you are making an attempt at even being rational. If turning on a electrical device or starting your car is even remotely connected to starting a fire, when in the summer when there is a fire ban in place, does this mean you can't start your car, light a candle, or plug in an electrical device....Wow, the ways you attempt to justify what you do is comical at best
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Hmm you obviously haven't read the Old Testament about the very thing you claim to profess - the Sabbath, see Exodus 35:3. It does forbid starting fires. This information about electrical devices, cars I did not make up , but this is what observant, mainly Orthodox Jews believe, see

http://judaism.about.com/od/sabbathdayshabb2/f/electricity.htm


So my question is, if SDA's are so particular about keeping the Sabbath? Why aren't they observing it as the Orthodox Jews do? SDA's can't change God's law about keeping the Sabbath by keeping it as they think or see fit, if you truly want to keep the Sabbath you have to do it according to God's law. Perhaps SDA's don't truly keep the Sabbath afterall.
 
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I wish Chopsui would go to the old sabbath post...

But here are the two instances that must confound everyone about keeping the sabbath as rest...

When Jesus and his disciples picked grain in a field--which is prohibited on the sabbath--Jesus did not rebuke them, but the pharisees did...Jesus even went farther and emphasized certain Biblical exceptions to the written law...He describes how David when hungry ate the consecrated bread which it was only lawful for the priests to eat...and Jesus does not condemn that act but seems to support the idea that they can pick grains because of it...and then he goes further and says that man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man. And then goes further and says the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath...Now if he was referring to just himself than it wouldn't make sence as a defence of his apostles picking grains on the sabbath..He could but we couldn't...But it is referring to us all that follow the Lord and not the written code--which brings death as the Bible says.

Secondly, after Jesus healed someone on the sabbath he told him to take up his mat and walk...Now carrying a mat is work and was forbidden by the old testament--is Jesus telling someone to sin? Don't be rediculuos...He could have simply told him to leave the mat until tomoorow--he had been there so many years, his mat could have stayed there another day...but no he tells him to pick up his mat and walk on the sabbath? I have little doubt that if you were alive then you probably would have also thought he was a sinner not just for healing, but for telling someone to carry there mat on the sabbath.

Lastly, yes if you read Hebrews all the way through, you will see the true meaning of the sabbath unlocked in the Savior Jesus Christ...also either you accept or deny the Colossians rebuke of people religiously worshipping a day of the week.

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