Is God giving America up?

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MOC

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In order to express who God is(Holiness, Truth, Love, and Justice), He must punish sin. As Christians living in America today, we should not be surprised that the sins spewing out of this country makes God angry. To deny how angry it makes Him, is to deny the necessity of Christ's work on the cross for the sins of humanity. God's wrath toward the sins of America is being revealed to the entire world. In the book of Romans, the first chapter, we can see how our Lord "gives up" a nation who continually lives in sin and does not repent. This wrath that is vented toward the unrepented sins of America is not of eternal judgement, nor is it the wrath of the great tribulation. Its the wrath of the present revelation of God's righteousness. America has "held the truth in unrighteousness." This means, America has received the truth of God's Word, but has yielded to unrighteousness. Is God giving America up?

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: As it is written, the just shall live by faith." Righteousness is God's essential attribute. To those who practice God's righteousness Paul says, "The just shall live by faith." We as a nation should remember that God is our source of provision and that everything we have or ever will have is ultimately from Him.

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." 1. "ungodliness", is the failure of spiritual discernment. 2. "unrighteousness", is the failure of the moral lives of people and how they treat each other. America has failed in both of these.

America has "held the truth", in God's word, but now the wrath of God is being revealed. Its not eternal wrath because that would be final judgement into the lake of fire. Satan and his followers have deceived so many, not only in this country but the entire world. America has abandoned the truth for so long now that it seems as though God is turning the country over to its sinful desires.

"God gave them up" No one will be able to stand before God and have an excuse as to why they didn't believe. Everyone is accountable to Him. In Romans 1:24-32, Paul tells us three times that "God gave them up." When a nation has been given ample amounts of evidence of God and His nature, He then expresses His wrath and justification by allowing those to be consumed with the desire to sin, having a "reprobate mind".

Romans 1:21 "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened." It seems with each year that passes by, America is acknowledging God less and dishonoring Him more. This nation's heart has become dark, that it cannot reason correctly or give thanks to almighty God.

Romans 1:26-27 "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." These behaviors and many more are exactly what we see in our country today. Its the opposite of the natural harmony of God's moral laws. America has abandoned self-control, is driven by lust, and participates in sexually impure acts.

Significant dates attributed to God's wrath:
1963..........The Supreme Court ruled that Bible readings and prayer in public schools were unconstitutional.
1965..........Immigration and Nationality Act permitted more Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu immigrants into the U.S. changing the religious landscape of the country.
1971..........Sojourners magazine was founded, which promoted a greater prominence of liberal Christian views.
1973..........Supreme Court ruled to legalize abortion.
1980..........Marjorie Matthews was elected first female Bishop of any mainline Christian Church and pioneered the 80's for future women pastors.
1988..........biological fathers had no right to stop the pregnant mother from murdering his child.
1990's.........religious nonaffiliation in America started rising.
2015..........legalized same sex marriage
2016..........state and private institutions had to allow transgender students to use restrooms according to their gender identity.

Ephesians 5:6-7 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. But not ye therefore partakers with them." We became targets the day we believed and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. There will be constant temptations and solicitations to evil, therefore believers must always be proving or discerning WHAT IS and WHAT IS NOT acceptable to the Lord.

Final thoughts
America is the greatest country in the world. Examining America more closely in areas such as Technology, Biology, Agriculture, etc., it can be argued that the United States is still the best in the world. The attributes that contributed to God's wrath and "giving America up", is far more than the events that happened on specific dates. It seems as though God has allowed America "free reign" expressing sin unchecked, which results in the natural system of cause and effect. America, it would appear, has been portrayed as a nation who has progressively been pushing God further and further away. God has been expressing His wrath by allowing this nation the things it wants and condemning those to suffer the painful consequences that came with it. Because America hasn't given the honor God deserves, He has let America do what it wants, to dishonor itself and being "given up" to those sinful desires.
 
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Yes, never before has the enemy been able to attack on [Direct Soil Mainland of America] + when it happened, it destroyed the 2 Most Iconic Symbols, the Twin Towers. Which like all Ancient Cultures, those Twin Towers represented Ancient Gates to the City. The Book Harbinger I/II explains this in Great detail.
 

pottersclay

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The church has been sleeping for some time here in America. This is a wake up call.
Evangelical churches have declined 49% since 2009.
Remembering that judgement begins in the house of the Lord we as believers must repent for our sins.
Only then will God hear and heal this land.
This time of shakings is a nudge to wake those who believe. Let us pray that our brothers and sister hear his voice and obey.
 

Nehemiah6

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Some important points to note in this regard:

1. The United States of America was founded on essentially biblical principles. This is clear from the Constitution, which is unique in the history of nations.

2. The Founding Fathers never -- in their worst nightmares -- imagined that America would be handed over to its internal and external enemies by those elected to government within less than 300 years.

3. The Constitution has been steadily eroded over many decades, and hardly anyone stood up and tried to stem this tide. Thus the rule of law has been abolished. All this is a result of Americans is general turning away from God and Christ and worshipping at the altar of Liberalism and Communism.

4. Those who were supposedly elected to uphold the Constitution all chose to betray it, and betray their oaths of office, and as a result America has been taken captive by tis enemies as of 2020.

5. God has not begun to pour out His wrath on any nation as yet. But that will soon change and all nations will come under divine judgment and wrath. And America will be included.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I wonder . . . is there a country that God is currently upholding? If so, I'm not seeing it.
 

Blik

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There are spiritual laws that govern the secular world. It is the way God created our world and they cannot be made ineffectual (except through a miracle) as we can erase the law of gravity.

Part of this is what is in the mind and heart of the people of a nation. We have learned that the there is a subconscious mind as well as a conscious mind, and the subconscious mind rules us in a spiritual way. This subconscious mind is keyed into when we are in a dreamlike state, like watching TV. Most people today spend much more time filling their mind with TV than with any information about the spiritual side of life.

Our newspapers are filled with such as sports that have nothing to do with sports but consist of competition. Every newspaper has a article about how the stars guide a person, not how the Lord guides.
 

Lafftur

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Whoa! Whoa! Everybody hold on now.....”WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US” that doesn’t sound like God is giving up on any of us! :love:(y)

Pray and keep on praying! We need REVIVAL - a fresh move of God and His Word and His Spirit! :love:(y)
 

lastofall

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[for me anyway] yes of course, it is evident that we are for a while now in the last stage of downfall, namely a reprobate mind (a mind of depravity): for we have already surpassed the first two stages, forbidden lusts (uncleanness) and gruesome and repulsive passions (vile affections). And as it was with Nineveh so is it with our nation, that except we repent there shall be a great downfall.
 

posthuman

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don't you think it's funny how America developed so much heresy in the 1800-1900's ((mormonism, armstrongism, JW's etc)) yet a lot of you think it's homosexuals no longer hiding what they do that indicates the nation isn't following God
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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don't you think it's funny how America developed so much heresy in the 1800-1900's ((mormonism, armstrongism, JW's etc)) yet a lot of you think it's homosexuals no longer hiding what they do that indicates the nation isn't following God
It's like reading about the Sadducees and Pharisees, in how they felt that they were in the right . . . but in Truth they were blind and incapable of knowing it. It's like the blind belittling the blind.
 

posthuman

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It's like reading about the Sadducees and Pharisees, in how they felt that they were in the right . . . but in Truth they were blind and incapable of knowing it. It's like the blind belittling the blind.
yeah -- and they are telling themselves, oh, there are Herodians, this means the nation isn't following God anymore
 
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In order to express who God is(Holiness, Truth, Love, and Justice), He must punish sin. As Christians living in America today, we should not be surprised that the sins spewing out of this country makes God angry. To deny how angry it makes Him, is to deny the necessity of Christ's work on the cross for the sins of humanity. God's wrath toward the sins of America is being revealed to the entire world. In the book of Romans, the first chapter, we can see how our Lord "gives up" a nation who continually lives in sin and does not repent. This wrath that is vented toward the unrepented sins of America is not of eternal judgement, nor is it the wrath of the great tribulation. Its the wrath of the present revelation of God's righteousness. America has "held the truth in unrighteousness." This means, America has received the truth of God's Word, but has yielded to unrighteousness. Is God giving America up?

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: As it is written, the just shall live by faith." Righteousness is God's essential attribute. To those who practice God's righteousness Paul says, "The just shall live by faith." We as a nation should remember that God is our source of provision and that everything we have or ever will have is ultimately from Him.

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." 1. "ungodliness", is the failure of spiritual discernment. 2. "unrighteousness", is the failure of the moral lives of people and how they treat each other. America has failed in both of these.

America has "held the truth", in God's word, but now the wrath of God is being revealed. Its not eternal wrath because that would be final judgement into the lake of fire. Satan and his followers have deceived so many, not only in this country but the entire world. America has abandoned the truth for so long now that it seems as though God is turning the country over to its sinful desires.

"God gave them up" No one will be able to stand before God and have an excuse as to why they didn't believe. Everyone is accountable to Him. In Romans 1:24-32, Paul tells us three times that "God gave them up." When a nation has been given ample amounts of evidence of God and His nature, He then expresses His wrath and justification by allowing those to be consumed with the desire to sin, having a "reprobate mind".

Romans 1:21 "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened." It seems with each year that passes by, America is acknowledging God less and dishonoring Him more. This nation's heart has become dark, that it cannot reason correctly or give thanks to almighty God.

Romans 1:26-27 "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." These behaviors and many more are exactly what we see in our country today. Its the opposite of the natural harmony of God's moral laws. America has abandoned self-control, is driven by lust, and participates in sexually impure acts.

Significant dates attributed to God's wrath:
1963..........The Supreme Court ruled that Bible readings and prayer in public schools were unconstitutional.
1965..........Immigration and Nationality Act permitted more Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu immigrants into the U.S. changing the religious landscape of the country.
1971..........Sojourners magazine was founded, which promoted a greater prominence of liberal Christian views.
1973..........Supreme Court ruled to legalize abortion.
1980..........Marjorie Matthews was elected first female Bishop of any mainline Christian Church and pioneered the 80's for future women pastors.
1988..........biological fathers had no right to stop the pregnant mother from murdering his child.
1990's.........religious nonaffiliation in America started rising.
2015..........legalized same sex marriage
2016..........state and private institutions had to allow transgender students to use restrooms according to their gender identity.

Ephesians 5:6-7 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. But not ye therefore partakers with them." We became targets the day we believed and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. There will be constant temptations and solicitations to evil, therefore believers must always be proving or discerning WHAT IS and WHAT IS NOT acceptable to the Lord.

Final thoughts
America is the greatest country in the world. Examining America more closely in areas such as Technology, Biology, Agriculture, etc., it can be argued that the United States is still the best in the world. The attributes that contributed to God's wrath and "giving America up", is far more than the events that happened on specific dates. It seems as though God has allowed America "free reign" expressing sin unchecked, which results in the natural system of cause and effect. America, it would appear, has been portrayed as a nation who has progressively been pushing God further and further away. God has been expressing His wrath by allowing this nation the things it wants and condemning those to suffer the painful consequences that came with it. Because America hasn't given the honor God deserves, He has let America do what it wants, to dishonor itself and being "given up" to those sinful desires.
The error here is the assumption that America has ever been a holy nation. There is no earthly holy nation. We are not christendom nor have we ever been, nor can any earthly nation be, until Christ comes and established his kingdom on earth. In the new earth.
There is this tendency to white wash our past. This nation has been wreathed in corruption and war and violence and greed from it's inception. So while yes many of the early colonists were some sort of Christian refugees, and God is smattered through out our founding documents, and many of the founders were to some extent Christian, and yes many of the principals of our founding documents are somewhat Christian. This nation has never been a Christian nation.
What we are living with today is the culmination of generations of sin and violence and evil, wickedness. So as usual Christians will suffer just as we always have throughout history. This is why the psalms are so important. We need to read them, study them, pray them.
Should we be praying for our govco officials? Yes and I think psalm 109 is a good place to start.
In praying for fellows in the community of Christians here, psalm 123 through 131.
But there is a particular problem here. It is exemplified in another post on this forum, evangelical Christians for Joe Biden is an actual political interest group, another is (hopefully over) the evangelical sycophants that worshipped Donald Trump. I even heard one say when he was elected that "God" was back in the white house. So what is the point? There is no wisdom in the western evangelical church at large.
Yes we need to participate to a certain extent, we need to be wise and discerning and we need to vote, local elections are more important than national, and arguably less corrupted. Then we need to understand that none of these politicians are our savior in any sense of the word. We just hope they rule more justly knowing they are fallible humans, and not our ultimate authority. We live in this world and do what we can in wisdom to alleviate suffering where we can, ultimately this is all headed for destruction. And to dust we shall return, with the hope and knowledge that Christ Jesus will raise us up in his likeness.
 
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Govco worship and nationalism is idolatry. When we are so ignorant that we place our hope in it.
 
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The only nation God had a covenant with was Israel.

Now, God relates to us individually.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Our founders were probably escaping religious persecution from the Roman Catholic Church.

The second beast is a lamb with two horns without crowns. The USA is a Christian Nation without kings.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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The only nation God had a covenant with was Israel.

Now, God relates to us individually.
How can that be if Abraham is the Father of those who have not been physically circumcised? Within the First covenant, that Covenant applied to all who would turn to Jesus for His Holy, Spiritual Circumcision.

Romans 4:11-12 NKJV - "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised."

The Covenant with Abraham revolves around Circumcision of the Heart, and that means that anyone who receives the Circumcision of Christ become a part of the Family of Circumcision.

Romans 2:28-29 RSV - "For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. 29 He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal. His praise is not from men but from God."

And this is why it was said that anyone who does not receive Circumcision will be cut off from the Covenant Family. Physical circumcision points to Spiritual Circumcision just as water baptism is a reflection of Spiritual Circumcision . . . they are the exact same shadows of the Work of Christ.

Genesis 17:14 NLT - "Any male who fails to be circumcised will be cut off from the covenant family for breaking the covenant."
 

John146

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In order to express who God is(Holiness, Truth, Love, and Justice), He must punish sin. As Christians living in America today, we should not be surprised that the sins spewing out of this country makes God angry. To deny how angry it makes Him, is to deny the necessity of Christ's work on the cross for the sins of humanity. God's wrath toward the sins of America is being revealed to the entire world. In the book of Romans, the first chapter, we can see how our Lord "gives up" a nation who continually lives in sin and does not repent. This wrath that is vented toward the unrepented sins of America is not of eternal judgement, nor is it the wrath of the great tribulation. Its the wrath of the present revelation of God's righteousness. America has "held the truth in unrighteousness." This means, America has received the truth of God's Word, but has yielded to unrighteousness. Is God giving America up?

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: As it is written, the just shall live by faith." Righteousness is God's essential attribute. To those who practice God's righteousness Paul says, "The just shall live by faith." We as a nation should remember that God is our source of provision and that everything we have or ever will have is ultimately from Him.

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." 1. "ungodliness", is the failure of spiritual discernment. 2. "unrighteousness", is the failure of the moral lives of people and how they treat each other. America has failed in both of these.

America has "held the truth", in God's word, but now the wrath of God is being revealed. Its not eternal wrath because that would be final judgement into the lake of fire. Satan and his followers have deceived so many, not only in this country but the entire world. America has abandoned the truth for so long now that it seems as though God is turning the country over to its sinful desires.

"God gave them up" No one will be able to stand before God and have an excuse as to why they didn't believe. Everyone is accountable to Him. In Romans 1:24-32, Paul tells us three times that "God gave them up." When a nation has been given ample amounts of evidence of God and His nature, He then expresses His wrath and justification by allowing those to be consumed with the desire to sin, having a "reprobate mind".

Romans 1:21 "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened." It seems with each year that passes by, America is acknowledging God less and dishonoring Him more. This nation's heart has become dark, that it cannot reason correctly or give thanks to almighty God.

Romans 1:26-27 "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." These behaviors and many more are exactly what we see in our country today. Its the opposite of the natural harmony of God's moral laws. America has abandoned self-control, is driven by lust, and participates in sexually impure acts.

Significant dates attributed to God's wrath:
1963..........The Supreme Court ruled that Bible readings and prayer in public schools were unconstitutional.
1965..........Immigration and Nationality Act permitted more Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu immigrants into the U.S. changing the religious landscape of the country.
1971..........Sojourners magazine was founded, which promoted a greater prominence of liberal Christian views.
1973..........Supreme Court ruled to legalize abortion.
1980..........Marjorie Matthews was elected first female Bishop of any mainline Christian Church and pioneered the 80's for future women pastors.
1988..........biological fathers had no right to stop the pregnant mother from murdering his child.
1990's.........religious nonaffiliation in America started rising.
2015..........legalized same sex marriage
2016..........state and private institutions had to allow transgender students to use restrooms according to their gender identity.

Ephesians 5:6-7 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. But not ye therefore partakers with them." We became targets the day we believed and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. There will be constant temptations and solicitations to evil, therefore believers must always be proving or discerning WHAT IS and WHAT IS NOT acceptable to the Lord.

Final thoughts
America is the greatest country in the world. Examining America more closely in areas such as Technology, Biology, Agriculture, etc., it can be argued that the United States is still the best in the world. The attributes that contributed to God's wrath and "giving America up", is far more than the events that happened on specific dates. It seems as though God has allowed America "free reign" expressing sin unchecked, which results in the natural system of cause and effect. America, it would appear, has been portrayed as a nation who has progressively been pushing God further and further away. God has been expressing His wrath by allowing this nation the things it wants and condemning those to suffer the painful consequences that came with it. Because America hasn't given the honor God deserves, He has let America do what it wants, to dishonor itself and being "given up" to those sinful desires.
Hopefully, there is enough remnant that God will spare us...
 

Nehemiah6

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don't you think it's funny how America developed so much heresy in the 1800-1900's ((mormonism, armstrongism, JW's etc)) yet a lot of you think it's homosexuals no longer hiding what they do that indicates the nation isn't following God
It is all part of the same mix. Theological liberalism led to social, political, and economic liberalism, which led to atheistic Communism. Which is now the religion of American Democrats. And this signals the end of America as America.