Is healing promised to the believers?

[know1]

joanie,

this truly hurts us to say this to you, but, you have been 'spelled' and are under
the illusion of the demonic powers that rule this fallen=world...

the called of God, who truly SERVE HIM, definitely do no agree with what you
are espousing, in any way or form...you are a child of this 'fallen=world, and all
of it's deceptions that are so easily believed...

we Love you very much, and pray that very soon Jesus will open your heart
to His calling of the True and Holy Words of God...

Why would you attack a precious child of God, like Joanie?
I don't know the lady, but from the few posts I've read of her's, she seems to be too nice a person to be mean to a person like you. I on the other hand don't, because I see you for what you are.
Jesus said that you shall know them by their fruit and you have just revealed your true nature sir.
What rubbish. Even a half witted idiot wouldn't believe such trash as, "we love you very much and pray that very soon Jesus will open your heart to His calling of the True and Holy Words of God"
Seriously?!
Shall we see who is the one that is delusional and under demonic powers?
No, that won't work, because you won't be able to see the truth.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Please show me scripture proving Joanie wrong, because what she wrote, I agree with.
Why don't you start by disproving the scripture and reasoning I used in post 80.

 

[know1]

I know one day I will have perfect healing but it may not be on this side of the grave. A life without some struggle is not the greatest blessing. We look at all discomfort as something that must be eliminated but the growth and reliance on God that comes during these times is so important. Why are we here? For relationship with God. Whatever grows that relationship is a blessing. These are my thoughts and experience.

1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

A good thing to fight against and overcome are the doubts that come against so many believers. Fight the good fight of faith with the promises of God through a good confession. That is a struggle worth fighting for in itself.

 

[joaniemarie]

joanie,

this truly hurts us to say this to you, but, you have been 'spelled' and are under
the illusion of the demonic powers that rule this fallen=world...

the called of God, who truly SERVE HIM, definitely do no agree with what you
are espousing, in any way or form...you are a child of this 'fallen=world, and all
of it's deceptions that are so easily believed...

we Love you very much, and pray that very soon Jesus will open your heart
to His calling of the True and Holy Words of God...

Seriously? In that case., I'd be better off if you both didn't "love" me so much. Good grief.

 

[OneFaith]

miracles such as Jesus walking on water....that was Jesus but He also rose from the dead and is the Son of God

while I certainly agree that all believers are NOT healed...it is equally untrue to say that God has ceased from being Who He is

be careful. the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life'

God has not changed. Actually Christians should be more in tune with Him then before Christ's life, death and resurrection, first through the word and then, with that as the foundation, through personal relationship, being able to judge what is true and false and not moved by every false wind of doctrine

God IS Spirit. those who worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth. We do not have any version of those that are acceptable to God but for what He Himself has already given

God gave gifts to men (scripture) and continues to do so. the gifts of the Holy Spirit, administered by the will of God...not the drummed up, fake and fleshy things some people try to pass off as a 'gift' but is of another spirit....are to build up the body of Christ

they were not given for a period of less than 50 years only. they were also not given for the building up of personalities or special ministries.

it is incorrect to say we have the Bible only as a historical document save for salvation as it is to say that hysteria and emotional outbursts are the work of the Spirit of God

many Christiains just simply are not taught and are, in fact, in a spiritual war over these things

Peter is a human being, and walked on water, not just Jesus.

I did not say God changed Who He is.

God’s people are in tuned with Him just as much after the gospel as before. And they do judge what is true and false. I do not follow any wind of doctrine- only the New Testament.

I do worship God in spirit and in truth.

Where in scrpture does it say God continues to give the same gifts now as He did in the past?

I know why the gifts were given.

I never said nor believe that the Bible’s only use to us today is as an historical document.

I have been taught, not by men but by the Word itself, and am not in a battle struggling with what I already know.

 

[OneFaith]

Amazing, since the Lord has miraculously healed me three times -- twice from a UTI, (which mean it never ends without lots of antibiotics), and two insect bites where I am very allergic to the insects yet nothing happened.

And hubby lives, although he should have died. He has cardiologists and EMTs in pure shock when they see him.

What you preach is your opinion, not truth.

You must not have read all I said. I said prayer is still powerful and effective today. I’ve been healed too. But miracles such as turning five loaves of bread into thousands, or raising the dead, or controlling the weather- those types of miracles have ceased.

 

[OneFaith]

Would you care to back up those statement in red with scripture?
As long as there is God like faith in the world, contrary to what you said, miracles will continue.

1 Corinthians 13, especially verse 10. Prophets have ceased since the Bible is complete and we no longer need them to tell us what God says, along with the miracles that identified them. But faith, hope, and love remain- therefore there is still power in prayer, but not identifying power- such as controlling the weather, raising the dead, and instantly healing the blind, deaf, and infirm.

 

[Jackson123]

No sir, a wound is not sickness. A cold or the flu would constitute a sickness.
The bible doesn't say that we won't die some day, and neither am I saying such.
It just says we don't have to go defeated and sick.
My wife's relatives all died a ripe old age of over 100 years of old, without being sick, and if they can do it based on the promises of God, then so can we, seeing that God is not a respecter of persons.

Stephen die from wound,

so you believe God Will protect us from sickness but not from wound?

you say we(God child or Holy people ) don't have to go defeated, in the sense of spirit I agree not physically.

Rev 13

13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bearand a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage waragainst God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

verse 7 bsay asically say the beast Will conquer / defeated God's Holy people

so physically God people may defeated, not spiritually.

 

[JaumeJ]

With my few years under my belt, I do not expect to be healed of every little problem I have, rather I find myself thank God for the good things and what others may view as the bad things. I trust and know He knows what He is doing,. My only reason to avoid crossing over if it should be His will ae the people left to yet endure this horrible place and age. I cannot imagine, should I pass right now, how the younger people will fare. May God help all in Jesus Christ's name, amen.

Jesus NEVER tells us or assures us when our healing will occur...!!!

for us, it reads and sounds like it will be an automatic thing, 'after our Judgment'...
Praise God, for He definitely tells us that ALL who Love Him, will suffer persecusion'...
not to mention, 'willingly'...

 

[heartofdavid]

Stephen die from wound,

so you believe God Will protect us from sickness but not from wound?

you say we(God child or Holy people ) don't have to go defeated, in the sense of spirit I agree not physically.

Rev 13

13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bearand a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage waragainst God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

verse 7 bsay asically say the beast Will conquer / defeated God's Holy people

so physically God people may defeated, not spiritually.

Martyrdom is not the same as sickness.
Martyrdom is a high honor.
There is no honor in sickness.

 

[wolfwint]

Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.

The realty shows that this is a manmade promiss. Where are the believers which have no sickness and I can show you also unbelievers which living a long life in health.
Who says that all belivers will see no sickness in there earthly life is somebody who selling false truth. And selling a promiss which was never given from our father. In Pauls days some of his coworker where sick too. And how all the healed people from the apostolic time died?
In a high age in good health condition. If you want to know why Jesus did all the miracles and healings then read John 20, 30. Our father loves us sick ore not!

 

[Jackson123]

There's nothing wrong with the physical things of this world, so long as we don't lust after them and put them before God and man.
And both physical wealth and health is a blessing of and from God if we don't abuse it.
Poverty or being in need and ill health is a curse, and the devil is the one causing it, due to sins we commit.
We can have our cake and eat it too by having good health here and in heaven. It is written, "Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven."
That is to say, if God wants you sick here, then His will won't be any different for you in heaven, and if He wants you healthy here, then His will for you will be for you to have good health in heaven.
God doesn't change His mind about your health just once you're in heaven.
As His will is in heaven, so it is for you here on earth.

So you believe If God let you sick here, He Will let you sick in heaven?

God let Stephen die of wound oN earth, mean He let Stephen die of wound in heaven?

God focus oN eternal health and wealth, brother. God say If your eyes cause you sin fake It off.

mean If your healthy eyes produce sin, make It sick.

if It for your salvation, God do not mine let you sich physically.

health is the Will of God AS long AS not bring you to eternal sick in hell.

 

[heartofdavid]

1 Corinthians 13, especially verse 10. Prophets have ceased since the Bible is complete and we no longer need them to tell us what God says, along with the miracles that identified them. But faith, hope, and love remain- therefore there is still power in prayer, but not identifying power- such as controlling the weather, raising the dead, and instantly healing the blind, deaf, and infirm.

You either were told that,or you made it up.

None of that is in the bible. Clever backsliders devise those unbiblical positions.

 

[Jackson123]

Martyrdom is not the same as sickness.
Martyrdom is a high honor.
There is no honor in sickness.

agree,

is there honor in woundness?

 

[heartofdavid]

The realty shows that this is a manmade promiss. Where are the believers which have no sickness and I can show you also unbelievers which living a long life in health.
Who says that all belivers will see no sickness in there earthly life is somebody who selling false truth. And selling a promiss which was never given from our father. In Pauls days some of his coworker where sick too. And how all the healed people from the apostolic time died?
In a high age in good health condition. If you want to know why Jesus did all the miracles and healings then read John 20, 30. Our father loves us sick ore not!

If you look up the healing verses you will see a whole other dimension.
Healing is as sure as salvation.
Most are not saved. That doesnt mean we need to JUST view salvation as passive hodge podge hit and miss.
Neither healing nor salvation are passive. Both must be laid hold of.
Can you imagine an attitude of someone saying " oh well, i guess God hasnt chosen to save me,i still feel lost"
No,that dog wont hunt.

 

[Iconoclast]

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18
If someone is fearing punishment from God, then the love of God has not had it's perfect work in them. We are supposed to look at the cross for our answers and see the completed work of Jesus. What will God keep from us when He gave us His best? Now we are sons and now the Bible says God is for us who can be against us? Do we believe that or not. I chose to believe.

Receiving communion is the same. We don't go in fear that God is going to zap us in the pew if we have not confessed a sin. I was raised on that kind of teaching. It is wrong. We go and receive communion to remember what Jesus did for us by taking away our sins by dying on the cross... by His stripes we are healed. a We receive communion to remember His death till he comes back. We don't remember our sins because God has forgiven and forgotten them already. By His stripes we have been healed..... not condemned. AMEN!!

You cannot or should not try and pit scripture against scripture.

 

[heartofdavid]

agree,

is there honor in woundness?

We serve a mighty God.
He is able to any task. His power is unlimited.
Yes he can heal a wound

 

[heartofdavid]

So you believe If God let you sick here, He Will let you sick in heaven?

God let Stephen die of wound oN earth, mean He let Stephen die of wound in heaven?

God focus oN eternal health and wealth, brother. God say If your eyes cause you sin fake It off.

mean If your healthy eyes produce sin, make It sick.

if It for your salvation, God do not mine let you sich physically.

health is the Will of God AS long AS not bring you to eternal sick in hell.

Are you referring to stephens martyrdom?

 

[Jackson123]

We serve a mighty God.
He is able to any task. His power is unlimited.
Yes he can heal a wound

he is, but He do not want to heal Stephen wound, not because He is not able, but because He want to give better than physical wound, He want to give Stephen eternal healt and wealth in heaven.

 

[Jackson123]

Are you referring to stephens martyrdom?

I mean God not always heal though He able, He focus oN spiritual healing though It may sacrifice physical healing

matt 18:9

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

this verse indicate, for the sake of salvation, God do not mine to make your eyes blind/sick.

In the eyes of God, physicall healing is good, but Nothing compare spiritual healing

 

[Waggles]

I see you have attracted the usual gang of unbelievers who will
attempt to convince you that unbelief is Godly, even a badge of honour.

In your question you use the word 'believers'
herein lies the crux of the problem, for not all believe.

These verses get to the heart of belief and unbelief.
It begins here.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not
shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:

What do "Christians" believe?
That all scripture is true?
That the promises of God are true?
That originally there was only one gospel, one way?
That the indwelling Holy Spirit is the power of God residing within
a disciple?
That healings and miracles are for today as children of our Father in Heaven.

6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake,
hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed
with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8 And there was great joy in that city.
Acts 8:

In my Pentecostal Fellowship we have a 100% rate of miracles and healings.
From small injuries and minor hurts to significant and in some cases fatal
diseases and conditions.
Not everyone is healed instantly and not everyone is healed to full recovery
for that is still a matter of faith and of one's walk with the Lord.
Sometimes even the Spirit-filled saint needs to re-evaluate their approach
to God and faith.
But in my Fellowship miracles and healings are the norm.