Is "Limited Atonement" doctrine in Calvinism satanic heresy?

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Cassian

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Matthew 22:32 refutes the penalty of Adam being postmortem nonexistence.

Death was always considered "rest", "sleep", "waiting" in the Scriptures,
and not once was it ever spoken of as being removal from existence.


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There is One Salvation, and it is by Grace, through Faith.
Without faith, there is no salvation.
Therefore, if the are those without faith,
Salvation is not universal.
If salvation is not universal, than your understanding of Salvation being the gain of an immortal soul for all men is flawed.
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Without disagreeing with one of the premises, the logical proof given is solid.
Cass, which premise will you attack, and how?
Given that you do not hold to the fact that death and sin are the works of the devil, it would be somewhat logical to think that salvation is something entirely different. Heb 2:14 and I John 3:8. If it was not the purpose of Satan to destroy God's creation and the dissolution of man, I would imagine that Christ would not be needed to save man from death, sin and Satan.

so in your view just why did Christ come and from what is He saving you?

Christ saved the world. It has nothing to do with faith. It is all Christ and nothing of man.

However, the purpose of Christ redeeming the world is the same as God creating the world and man. Since God reversed the fall of man, He can now offer eternal life to those that desire to be united with Him, to be healed. to be perfected as human beings.

Adam failed in his vocation in attaining the end which was immortality. Christ came to defeat death, and to grant immortality to man, both body and soul. This is for all men, again has nothing to do with faith. Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:12-22, 52-54.

Salvation in scripture is what Christ did, the atonement, and is universal. It cannot be otherwise. Adam was taken captive by Satan and the condemnation of death was through man's nature. We are all born mortal (universal) Christ in His Incarnation, took on our mortal nature for the express purpose of defeating death to that nature, by His Resurrection, granting life to the world (universal).

It would be quite disingenuous for God to call all men to repentance, and desire that all men come to know Him if He did not give life to all men first. For the Calvinist this poses all kinds of problems since it denies their definition of the fall, it denies the Incarnation of Christ, and Christ's salvation from the fall of man.

To say the least, it would seem quite strange, per scripture, that death is so inconsequencial that it did not need to be defeated. Death, physical death, the condemnation to Adam, dust to dust does not mean the end of man. Heb 2:14-17, Heb 2:9.

What do you think Christ did for you?
 
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Sophia

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Given that you do not hold to the fact that death and sin are the works of the devil, it would be somewhat logical to think that salvation is something entirely different. Heb 2:14 and I John 3:8. If it was not the purpose of Satan to destroy God's creation and the dissolution of man, I would imagine that Christ would not be needed to save man from death, sin and Satan.

so in your view just why did Christ come and from what is He saving you?

Christ saved the world. It has nothing to do with faith. It is all Christ and nothing of man.

However, the purpose of Christ redeeming the world is the same as God creating the world and man. Since God reversed the fall of man, He can now offer eternal life to those that desire to be united with Him, to be healed. to be perfected as human beings.

Adam failed in his vocation in attaining the end which was immortality. Christ came to defeat death, and to grant immortality to man, both body and soul. This is for all men, again has nothing to do with faith. Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:12-22, 52-54.

Salvation in scripture is what Christ did, the atonement, and is universal. It cannot be otherwise. Adam was taken captive by Satan and the condemnation of death was through man's nature. We are all born mortal (universal) Christ in His Incarnation, took on our mortal nature for the express purpose of defeating death to that nature, by His Resurrection, granting life to the world (universal).

It would be quite disingenuous for God to call all men to repentance, and desire that all men come to know Him if He did not give life to all men first. For the Calvinist this poses all kinds of problems since it denies their definition of the fall, it denies the Incarnation of Christ, and Christ's salvation from the fall of man.

To say the least, it would seem quite strange, per scripture, that death is so inconsequencial that it did not need to be defeated. Death, physical death, the condemnation to Adam, dust to dust does not mean the end of man. Heb 2:14-17, Heb 2:9.

What do you think Christ did for you?
Answer clearly.
Is there salvation without faith.

Look up some verse before responding to stop making a fool of yourself.
*you post was purely foolishness. please don't do that again
 
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Sophia

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Mortality of the flesh is defined clearly in Scripture.
The mortality of the soul/spirit is nonexistent in Scripture.
 

Cassian

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Answer clearly.
Is there salvation without faith.

Look up some verse before responding to stop making a fool of yourself.
*you post was purely foolishness. please don't do that again
Interesting that you would call historical Christinity foolish. The Greeks said that to because for them it was wisdom.

A direct answer to your question is NO. But then I explained that, which obviously you did not understand. How are you going to understand a simple answer when you did not understand the reason for the answer?

How about answering my questions? Can you even do that?
 

Cassian

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Mortality of the flesh is defined clearly in Scripture.
The mortality of the soul/spirit is nonexistent in Scripture.
Must be a different Bible. You obviously have a different understanding of the terms than scripture. The very creation of man states it was not immortal.

The Incarnation of Christ, becoming man as we are presupposes that man is neither immortal of body and soul.