Is masturbation sin?

[Angela53510]

This old woman would really appreciate it if these continuing topics springing up on the board would just stop and die.

I'm not afraid of discussing this. We have talked a bit about pornography in my Greek class. The words are there, and porno is just taking over the lives of Christian men, pastors, and some women too. But we don't need to have thread after thread on this topic, and they really are not edifying. Some people acknowledge the sin, others defend it and no one is convinced.

"For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world." 1 John 2:16 ESV

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16 KJV

The words translated as "desires" in ESV above and "lust" in KJV are ἐπιθυμία, or epithumia, which someone has already mentioned. In fact, epithumia means "lust, desire, passion." So any kind of list of the desires of the flesh, are of the world. Including masturbation and porno. And KJV definitely gets this right, while the ESV is technically correct, I feel that "lust"is a far better translation of ἐπιθυμία because of the emphatic nature of the word "Lust."

 

[justin777]

Judge not lest you be not judged, love your neighbor as yourself... If sexual desire is wrong what drives people to get married?

25.20 ἐπιθυμέω[SUP]b[/SUP]; ἐπιθυμία[SUP]b[/SUP], ας f: to strongly desire to have what belongs to someone else and/or to engage in an activity which is morally wrong—‘to covet, to lust, evil desires, lust, desire.’ Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 290). New York: United Bible Societies.

 

[notuptome]

Why cannot folks become more than a walking reproductive organ? Are we not to be over the animals of the earth?

Psalm 119:1 ¶ ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. {undefiled: or, perfect, or, sincere}
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4 ¶ Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7 ¶ I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments. {thy … : Heb. judgments of thy righteousness}
8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9 ¶ BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 ¶ With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 ¶ Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
12 ¶ Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.
13 ¶ With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.

Note verse one Blessed are the undefiled and verse nine wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way.

You do not need to be a slave to your basic animal instincts. You can be mature and wise in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[justin777]

That would be saying that sex is a basic animal instinct and God uses that as a representation of his church and him.

 

[notuptome]

That would be saying that sex is a basic animal instinct and God uses that as a representation of his church and him.

It is a consequence of sin. Man has lost sight of the lofty aspirations that God had given him. Pure and holy thoughts do not come into the mind without proper training. Training received from Gods word and meditation upon it day and night.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[coby]

Oh you also started the other thread about medication. There you say you get perverse thoughts when you get off meds.
When I was 16 I didn't know if it was sin and I just had those thoughts well a lot, even in church, I couldn't even concentrate on the sermon, but in church noone said anything. My mom gave me a book. The writer said if you do that you give yourself over to an unclean demon, so I stopped. If you can't just stop have an unclean demon kicked out, problem solved.

 

[ServantStrike]

Oh you also started the other thread about medication. There you say you get perverse thoughts when you get off meds.
When I was 16 I didn't know if it was sin and I just had those thoughts well a lot, even in church, I couldn't even concentrate on the sermon, but in church noone said anything. My mom gave me a book. The writer said if you do that you give yourself over to an unclean demon, so I stopped. If you can't just stop have an unclean demon kicked out, problem solved.

Are you saying that taking medication gives one over to demons or that unclean thoughts give you away to demons? In the case of medication, no where in the entirety of scripture is medical care linked to demonic possession. In the case of thoughts, demonic possession of a Christian is not possible because of the Holy Spirit indwelling within us.

 

[20]

The better way for you to get the right answer, if you talk to the deliverance minister.Talk to him about Lasciviousness, Nudity,Voyeurism, and Addiction.Of course you can ask him, What are they really do with people's life.And what happen next on this way.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Since I keep seeing this naughty word pop up, I had to discover its etymology.

masturbation (n.)
1711 (earlier as mastupration, 1620s), from French masturbation and directly from Modern Latin masturbationem (nominative masturbatio), noun of action from past participle stem of Latin masturbari "to masturbate." The long-standing speculation is that this Latin word is altered (probably by influence of turbare "to disturb, confuse") from *manstuprare, from manu, ablative of manus "hand" (see manual) + stuprare "defile" (oneself), from stuprum "defilement, dishonor," related to stupere "to be stunned, stupefied" (see stupid). But perhaps the first element represents an unattested *mazdo- "penis" [OED]. An earlier technical word for this was Onanism.

onanism (n.)
"masturbation," also "coitus interruptus," 1727, from Onan, son of Judah (Gen. xxxviii:9), who spilled his seed on the ground rather than impregnate his dead brother's wife: "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother." The moral of this verse was redirected by those who sought to suppress masturbation.

 

[coby]

Are you saying that taking medication gives one over to demons or that unclean thoughts give you away to demons? In the case of medication, no where in the entirety of scripture is medical care linked to demonic possession. In the case of thoughts, demonic possession of a Christian is not possible because of the Holy Spirit indwelling within us.

No just saying if an unclean spirit bothers you because you watched porn or something you don't get him away with a pill. That's not being posessed, your spirit is from Christ. Jesus rebuked a demon with that daughter of Abraham with back problems. Didn't mean she was posessed.

 

[coby]

Are you saying that taking medication gives one over to demons or that unclean thoughts give you away to demons? In the case of medication, no where in the entirety of scripture is medical care linked to demonic possession. In the case of thoughts, demonic possession of a Christian is not possible because of the Holy Spirit indwelling within us.

Btw if it alters your mind it can become easier to say yes to the devil, it was when I got prozac. A demon already bothered me with suicide thoughts but I would never have done an attempt without medication. Prozac got me in a sort of psychosis.