is the end in 20012?

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You can see that in your quote it says "in the end" i.e. after the tribulation.

Ireneus was a historic premillennialism, otherwise known as post-tribulational premillennialism.
i.e. did not believe in pre-trib rapture.

Here is a bunch of excerpts from the same writing, the relevant ones showing he was post-trib I have highlighted in red, your quote is in green, and there's no mention of two comings of Christ or a secret rapture. The anti-Christ comes, then Christ returns. That's it.


St. Irenaeus
Excerpts from Adversus Haereses
(Against the Heresies)

For in as many years as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that he had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works" (Gen. 2:2) This is an account of the things formerly created, as it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. (Book 5, Ch.28.3)
And for this cause tribulation is necessary for those who are saved, that having been after a manner broken up, and rendered fine, and sprinkled by the patience of the Word of God, and set on fire [for purification], they may be filled for the royal banquet. (Book 5, Ch.28.4)
And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." (Matt.24:21) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, they are crowned with incorruption. (Book 5 Ch.29.1)
(Speaking of the Antichrist and the # 666)…that man in whom is concentrated the whole apostasy of six thousand years, and unrighteousness, and wickedness, and false prophecy, and deception; for which things’ sake a cataclysm of fire shall also come [upon the earth].
(Book 5 Ch.29.2)
But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple of Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that "many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Matt.8:2) (Book 5, Ch.30.4)
…resurrection of the just, and of the [earthly] kingdom which is the commencement of incorruption, by means of which kingdom those who shall be worthy are accustomed gradually to partake of the divine nature (capere Deum - or to gradually comprehend God) and it is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behooves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated and that the judgment should take place afterwards. For it is just that in that very creation in which they toiled or were afflicted, being proved in every way by suffering, they should receive the reward of their suffering; and that in the creation in which they were slain because of their love to God, in that they should be revived again; and that in the creation in which they endured servitude, in that they should reign. For God is rich in all things and all thing are His. It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous; and the apostle has made this plain in the Epistle to the Romans, where he speaks thus: "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only creation, but we ourselves who have the first fruits or the Spirit groan inwardly as we wait for the adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." (Romans 8:18-23) (Book 5, Ch.32.1)
(After saying that the promise to Abraham still needs to be fulfilled - see Genesis 8:13-14, 17)
Now God made promise of the earth to Abraham and his seed; yet neither Abraham nor his seed, that is, those who are justified by faith, do now receive inheritance in it; but they shall receive it at the resurrection of the just. For God is true and faithful; and on this account He said, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matt.5:5) (Book 5, Ch.32.2)
(In reference to Genesis 27:27 not being fulfilled) The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon rising from the dead…(Book 5, Ch.33.3)
For all these and other words were unquestionably spoken in reference to the resurrection of the just, which takes place after the coming of the Antichrist, and the destruction of all nations under his rule; in [the times of] which [resurrection] the righteous shall reign in the earth, waxing stronger by the might of the Lord: and through Him they shall become accustomed to partake in the glory of God the Father, and shall enjoy in the kingdom intercourse and communion with the holy angels, and union with spiritual beings and [with respect to] those whom the Lord shall find in the flesh, awaiting Him from heaven, and who have suffered tribulation, as well as escaped the hands of the Wicked One. For it is in reference to them that the prophet says, "And those that are left shall multiply upon the earth." (Book 5, Ch.35.1)
Now all these things being such as they are, cannot be understood in reference to super-celestial matters; "For God", it is said, "will show to the whole earth that is under heaven thy glory." But in the times of the kingdom, the earth has been called (returned?) again by Christ [to its pristine condition], and Jerusalem rebuilt after the pattern of Jerusalem above…
Irenaeus proceeds to quote the following Scriptures:
Isaiah 49:16; Galatians 4:26; Revelation 21:2; Rev. 20:2; Rev. 20:12-14; Matthew 25:41; Rev. 20:15; Rev. 21:1-4; Is. 65:17-18; 1 Cor. 7:31; Matt. 26:35; Ez. 25:40; Rev. 21:5-6;
(Book 5, Ch.35.2)
In this last section of Against Heresies, Book 5 Irenaeus also quotes the following verses:
Is. 40:6 ff.; Is. 26:19; Ezekiel 37:12 ff.; Ez. 28:25, 26; Matt. 3:9; Jeremiah 23:6-7; Is. 58:14;
Luke 7:37-38; Rev. 20:6; Is. 7:2; Daniel 7:27; Dan. 7:13; Jer. 31:10 ff.; Is. 31:9 & 32:1;
Is. 54:11-14; Is. 65:18; Baruch 4:36 through chapter 5
From St. Justin Martyr’s "Dialogue with Trypho" (he quotes Daniel 7:9-28) then says:
But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. (Chapter 80) (Ch.81 - after above-mentioned 1000 years comes the eternal resurrection and the judgment.)

http://www.divinewill.org/Church and Saints - St. Irenaeus Against Heresies.htm
 
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A few more quotes showing his post-tribulationalistness... I don't know about you but it's comforting to know that my view is the one that Irenaeus the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of the apostle John, believed in. :D

Irenaeus (130 to 200 A.D.) who said he held the actual apostles' teaching, wrote, "they [the ten kings of Rev. 17:1-13] shall ...give their kingdom to the beast [Antichrist], and put the Church to flight" (Against Heresies V, 26, 1). Irenaeus also said : "but he [John] indicates the number of the name [666 of Antichrist] now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is" ( Against Heresies V, 30, 4).
 
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A few more quotes showing his post-tribulationalistness... I don't know about you but it's comforting to know that my view is the one that Irenaeus the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of the apostle John, believed in. :D

Irenaeus (130 to 200 A.D.) who said he held the actual apostles' teaching, wrote, "they [the ten kings of Rev. 17:1-13] shall ...give their kingdom to the beast [Antichrist], and put the Church to flight" (Against Heresies V, 26, 1). Irenaeus also said : "but he [John] indicates the number of the name [666 of Antichrist] now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is" ( Against Heresies V, 30, 4).
I,m not at all sure That John knew the meaning of what he was told to write,He really did not have the need to know.
Let alone Irenaeus.
This is a end time thing ,If the true meaning was Known ,It would hardly be a secret,That he was told not to write.Rev.22/18-19 says do not add or take away from the word of this propesy of this book.If the prophesy was known they would have screwed up the order and structure of Revelation ,Defining the order of the Seven Thunders.The eighth Thunder that locks the structure together and binds it like a sheath of wheat Would not have the white horses ,to start and end the Thunders.walt2000
 
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And who makes these St's The pope ?They are not all pure .One was a woman pretending to be a man ,some were power hungry some were good .
Some good honest men.Some were questionable.walt2000
 
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Hmm yes, the apostles of Christ didn't know anything did they? :p
I did not say that, they were pobabably good honest men ,Christ chose. to start his teachings.But the pope ?///
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And don't get me wronge the pope' are probable nice, I never met one.walt2000
 

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It's really late, so I hope I make any send at all. God created a universe that we Earthlings have seen very little of. As the earth moves closer to the equator of the milk way, it is very likely that earth will feel some of its effects. That will surely scare the pants off the unbeliever and hopefullly (if we are still here, that we Christians will go though a crisis with confidence. Scientists say approximately every 62,000 years the Earth is either passing downwar through the milky way equator and after that pass it takes another 62,000 years. So, if I understand this correctly, Top of equator to to equator = 62,000 years and from equator to bottom = 62,000 years and so on. Our lives do seem a bit like a pendulum. What goes up must come down. And that will be Christ and whatever and whenever God sends Him, we are busy living and sharing our faith. I know the signs of the season seem to be appearing, but how much worse will our world will come to? One thing I keep "imagining" is this catastrophe world wide would bring on the man who brings on 3 1/2 years of peace as a one world leader. What was the question? Oh yea, Re: Is the end in 2012? Could cretainly be the end of the way we conduct our business here on Earth. But Christ will return and clean up the earth and the heavens in a twinkling of an eye. All the satellite debris instantly removed and all of earth becomes a parade. So all this hype of 2012 is actually working in its favor, because it may motivate people to challenge their faith and seek more of God. So tired now, eyes are half closed. Good night.
 
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Actually those who are raptured before the tribulation will most likely hit their heads on the space junk and satellite debris.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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so we need to put on the Armour of Christ to be protected?
 
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Can't you guys get your heads around the idea that there were believers BEFORE the church age who are not the church and AFTER the church age who are not the church?
 

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I gave my advice and opinion about it, but I want to know what do you think, please write and give your advice.

is the end on December 21th 20012.
Probably a mis-type, but I love it! the year 20,012. Saw on another post the date 12-12-2012. So why all the hype over a particular day? The best theory I've heard is that the earth is ascending into the Milky Way's equator and that every 62,000 years this happens and the world changes dramatically...but yet mankind is here now in this episode. According to the literal meaning of the Word, God created in 6 days and rested the 7th. Then, sometime later, maybe the next day or maybe billions of years later, He formed Adam because He had no one to work the ground. So what was the deal with all those male and females he CREATED on the 6th day? My point is, a day is as a thousand years. Just posing the question because I don't have the answer and maybe the answer isn't the answer....so there is 4,000 years from Adam to Christ and 2000 plus years from Christ to present and the new millenium doesn't start until the "8th day" I guess with all the changing of calendars there is no way to know the hour or day. It could be the New Millennium will start after the year 3000 AD. Live today like there is no tomorrow, and show the way, live the way and die the way. We all have to die to self to truly live in Christ and He live through us, so who cares when the end of this age is?
 
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Walt I thought you were talking about the apostles and authors of scripture. You basically said that the author of scripture didn't know what to write neither did a disciple of a disciple of the apostle John.
 
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Walt I thought you were talking about the apostles and authors of scripture. You basically said that the author of scripture didn't know what to write neither did a disciple of a disciple of the apostle John.
I am talking about Revelation to john only.And why I'm telling you this is, I find very little knowledge of the alignment of the Seven Thunders and a structure In the other books that is, other then The first book, the Genesis story.They the other books may have been tampered width.walt2000
 
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There is another revelation to the Seven Thunders, in Egypt. But if you have trouble with Revelation to John ,You are sure to have trouble the one 2000 years prier to The one to John. walt2000
 
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Walt I thought you were talking about the apostles and authors of scripture. You basically said that the author of scripture didn't know what to write neither did a disciple of a disciple of the apostle John.
You might be right If John never knew the interp.that is Revelation to John then his disciple.Is sure not to have known.walt2000
 
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For some people it is. But the rest of us will have to wait a little while more.
 
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