Is the entire Bible the infallible inerrant Word of God?

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mcubed

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The first response of course is yes, but how many people believe evolution and creation can coexist (gap-theory) or at least it doesn’t matter what you believe?



Psalm 11:3 states, ‘If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?’ If you destroy the foundations of anything, the structure will collapse. If you want to destroy any building, the best way is to destroy the foundations. Likewise, if you want to destroy Christianity, destroy the foundations which are established in the book of Genesis. Is it any wonder that Satan is attacking Genesis more than any other book?
The Biblical doctrine of origins, as contained in the book of Genesis, is foundation to all other doctrines of Scripture. Refute or undermine in any way the Biblical doctrine of origins, and the rest of the Bible is undermined. Every single Biblical doctrine of theology, directly or indirectly, ultimately has its basis in the book of Genesis. Therefore, if you do not have a believing understanding of that book (not just believing it is true, but believing and understanding what it says), you cannot hope to attain full understanding of what Christianity is all about. You are fooling yourself if you think you understand what Christianity is all about if you don’t understand the book of Genesis. Why do I make such statements? Well, the meaning of anything is tied up with its origins. If you want to understand the meaning of anything, you must understand its origins -its basis. Genesis is the only book that provides an account of the origin of all the basic entities of life and the universe-the origin of life, of man, of government, of marriage, of culture, of nations, of death, the chosen people, of sin and clothes: so it goes on and on. The meaning of all these things is dependent on their origin. In the same way, the meaning and purpose of the Christian gospel depends on the origin of the problem for which the Savior’s death was and is the solution, as we shall see later.
A contemporary of Darwin described the theological impact of evolution in these words:
'The evolution of man from lower forms of life was in itself a new and startling fact, and one that broke up the old theology. I and my contemporaries, however, accepted it as fact. The first and obvious result of this experience was that we were compelled to regard the Biblical story of the Fall as not historic ... If there is no historic Fall, what becomes of the redemption, the salvation through Christ?
 

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I believe in the scriptures, because that is what God Our Father has asked us to believe. By this if God Our Father chooses to reviel more to me he does so through Jesus Our Lord and Savior, his Holy Spirit, or God Our Father says so himself.
All things, knowladge, faith, hope Love, are to the perpose and Glory of God Our Father.
I have always rested all in God Our Father and trust to him.
God bless, pickles
 
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Fern

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mcubed, I'm not sure of your conclusion, as it relates to evolution. I agree that Genesis is important and true, and that it is wise to seek the truth that is presented in this scripture, but ultimately, we will never understand it fully here in this life. Our goal is to seek God, his nature, his will for us... but if here on earth, we havn't discerned with certainty, whether the world was created 6k years ago, or millions of years before, I believe we will learn it when we get to Heaven.
I believe that humans were created, rather than evolved- that something with a soul cannot come from something without a soul (ie: amoeba). And I personally believe that species don't evolve from other species. But we know that we can create breeds of dogs from other breeds. So it seems possible to me, that God did the same. And as far as time goes, if a day was a revolution, it can be argued that maybe the earth used to revolve more slowly for some reason, and I have to wonder, "if there was evening, and there was morning, the first day," before the sun was created, what did the earth revolve around, to make it a day?
 
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greatkraw

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if God's word is not reliable then we got problems
 
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Is the entire Bible the infallible inerrant Word of God?

Ans: Yes! Next!
 

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Is our knowledge that the bible is inerrant based on the bible's claim that the bible is inerrant? (2 Timothy, 2 Peter, etc.)?
 
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greatkraw

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the Bible needs, for us, to be inerrant or else we got nuthin

the fact that it claims to be inerrnt helps

time and again archeology proves its historical accuracy

time and again believers prove its spiritual accuracy

anyone who thinks there is an innaccuracy - they got a problem
 
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I have trouble believing Paul was correct when he told women not to speak in church and that wives should submit to the wills of their husbands.
 
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mcubed

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mcubed, I'm not sure of your conclusion, as it relates to evolution. I agree that Genesis is important and true, and that it is wise to seek the truth that is presented in this scripture, but ultimately, we will never understand it fully here in this life.
I think very important question we must ask is, “What was Yashua’ view of the days of creation? Did He say that He created in six literal days?”
Now, when we search the New Testament Scriptures, we certainly find many interesting statements Yashua made that relate to this issue. Mark 10:6 says, “But from the beginning of the creation, G-d ‘made them male and female.’” From this passage, we see that Yashua clearly taught that the creation was young, for Adam and Eve existed “from the beginning,” not billions of years after the universe and earth came into existence. Yashua made a similar statement in Mark 3:19 indicating that man’s sufferings started very near the beginning of creation. The parallel phrases of “from the foundation of the world” and “from the blood of Abel” in Luke 11:50–51 also indicate that Yashua placed Abel very close to the beginning of creation, not billions of years after the beginning. His Jewish listeners would have assumed this meaning in Yashua’ words, for the first-century Jewish historian Josephus indicates that the Jews of his day believed that both the first day of creation and Adam’s creation were about 5,000 years before Messiah.
In John 5:45–47, Yashua says, “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” In this passage, Yashua makes it clear that one must believe what Moses wrote. And one of the passages in the writings of Moses in Exodus 20:11 states: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” This, of course, is the basis for our seven-day week—six days of work and one day of rest. Obviously, this passage was meant to be taken as speaking of a total of seven literal days based on the Creation Week of six literal days of work and one literal day of rest.
In fact, in Luke 13:14, in his response to Yashua healing a person on the Sabbath, the ruler of the synagogue, who knew the law of Moses, obviously referred to this passage when he said, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.” The sabbath day here was considered an ordinary day, and the six days of work were considered ordinary days. This teaching is based on the Law of Moses as recorded in Exodus 20, where we find the Ten Commandments—the six-day Creation Week being the basis for the Fourth Commandment.
We should also note the way Yashua treated as historical fact the accounts in the Old Testament, which religious and atheistic skeptics think are unbelievable mythology. These historical accounts include Adam and Eve as the first married couple (Matthew 19:3–6; Mark 10:3–9), Abel as the first prophet who was killed (Luke 11:50–51), Noah and the Flood (Matthew 24:38–39), Moses and the serpent in the wilderness (John 3:14), Moses and the manna from heaven to feed the Israelites in the wilderness (John 6:32–33, 49), the experiences of Lot and his wife (Luke 17:28–32), the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), the miracles of Elijah (Luke 4:25–27), and Jonah and the big fish (Matthew 12:40– 41). As New Testament scholar John Wenham has compellingly argued, Yashua did not allegorize these accounts but took them as straightforward history, describing events that actually happened just as the Old Testament describes. Yashua used these accounts to teach His disciples that the events of His death, Resurrection, and Second Coming would likewise certainly happen in time-space reality.
These passages taken together strongly imply that Yashua took Genesis 1 as literal history describing creation in six 24-hour days. We are not limited to the New Testament when we try to find out if Yashua stated He created in six days; we can also search the Old Testament. After all, Yashua is the Second Person of the Trinity and therefore has always existed.
First, Colossians makes it clear that Yashua Messiah, the Son of G-d, was the one who created all things: “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist” (Colossians 1:16–17).
We are also told elsewhere in Scripture how Yashua created: “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast” (Psalm 33:6, 9). We see the meaning of this when we consider the miracles of Yashua during His earthly ministry. All the miracles occurred instantly—at His Word. He instantly turned water into wine in His very first miracle, which “revealed His glory” as the Creator (John 2:1–11; John 1:1–3, 14, 18). It was the instant calming of the wind and the waves that convinced His disciples that He was no mere man. So it was with all His miracles (Mark 4:35–41). He did not speak and wait for days, weeks, months, or years for things to happen. He spoke and it was done. So, when He said, “Let there be . . .” in Genesis 1, it did not take long ages for things to come into existence.
We also know that Yashua is in fact called the Word: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with G-d, and the Word was G-d. He was in the beginning with G-d. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:1–3).
Yashua, who is the Word, created everything by simply speaking things into existence.
Now, consider Exodus 20:1: “And G-d spoke all these words, saying . . . .” Because Yashua is the Word, this must be a reference to the preincarnate Messiah speaking to Moses. As we know, there are a number of appearances of Messiah (theophanies) in the Old Testament. John 1:18 states: “No one has seen G-d at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.” There is no doubt, with rare exception, that the preincarnate Messiah did the speaking to Adam, Noah, the patriarchs, Moses, etc. Now, when the Creator G-d spoke as recorded in Exodus 20:1, what did He (Yashua) say? As we read on, we find this statement: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day” (Exodus 20:11).
Yes, Yashua did explicitly say He created in six days. Not only this, but the one who spoke the words “six days” also wrote them down for Moses: “Then the Lord delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of G-d, and on them were all the words which the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly” (Deuteronomy 9:10).
Yashua said clearly that He created in six days. And He even did something He didn’t do with most of Scripture—He wrote it down Himself. How clearer and more authoritative can you get than that?
 
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mcubed

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Is our knowledge that the bible is inerrant based on the bible's claim that the bible is inerrant? (2 Timothy, 2 Peter, etc.)?
The Scriptures claim that G-d Himself breathed out Scripture (using human instruments, 2 Peter 1:21) and that it can be trusted to be His Word. His wisdom is infinite, and He is all-powerful and holy, so everything He says is trustworthy, accurate, and without error. Since G-d’s work will image His own nature, the accuracy of Scripture is guaranteed.
But this argument goes even further, including the faithfulness of G-d to preserve the record of His work through Messiah. G-d sent His own Son, the second person of the trinity, to take human form for the purpose of redemption. What was the cost of G-d’s incredible gift of salvation offered to man? His own Son’s life! The Bible is the record of Messiah’s coming, His payment for our sin, and all the truths we need to know about Him.
So here is a question. If G-d sent His Son, paid the highest price imaginable for the redemption of human beings, and made a record so all future generations could know, would He allow the text to be adulterated and the message ruined by error? Impossible! If the Bible is not the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d why would anyone believe that Yashua is the G-d man, who died for the sins of the world, rose on the third day, and is coming back? If G-d allowed the text to be lost and the message to be muddled, or some parts are true but others are not He would then be unfaithful to His own purpose and to His own Son and His sacrifice on the Cross. Logically, theoretically, practically, that is impossible.
The Scripture has authority because G-d has all authority. And because G-d is the author of all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), Scripture is authoritative. G-d is the basis for the Bible’s authority. Since G-d has ensured the transmission of the message of His Son and since He reinforces this message by His own authority, mankind has only two choices: to believe the Scripture or reject the Scripture. The fact that G-d gave us the Scripture is the reason we know that it is accurate and infallible and inerrant, that it is exactly what He wants us to have. And because G-d has spoken it, we can be confident in the Scripture’s authority.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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The Scriptures claim that G-d Himself breathed out Scripture (using human instruments, 2 Peter 1:21) and that it can be trusted to be His Word. His wisdom is infinite, and He is all-powerful and holy, so everything He says is trustworthy, accurate, and without error. Since G-d’s work will image His own nature, the accuracy of Scripture is guaranteed.
But this argument goes even further, including the faithfulness of G-d to preserve the record of His work through Messiah. G-d sent His own Son, the second person of the trinity, to take human form for the purpose of redemption. What was the cost of G-d’s incredible gift of salvation offered to man? His own Son’s life! The Bible is the record of Messiah’s coming, His payment for our sin, and all the truths we need to know about Him.
So here is a question. If G-d sent His Son, paid the highest price imaginable for the redemption of human beings, and made a record so all future generations could know, would He allow the text to be adulterated and the message ruined by error? Impossible! If the Bible is not the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d why would anyone believe that Yashua is the G-d man, who died for the sins of the world, rose on the third day, and is coming back? If G-d allowed the text to be lost and the message to be muddled, or some parts are true but others are not He would then be unfaithful to His own purpose and to His own Son and His sacrifice on the Cross. Logically, theoretically, practically, that is impossible.
The Scripture has authority because G-d has all authority. And because G-d is the author of all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), Scripture is authoritative. G-d is the basis for the Bible’s authority. Since G-d has ensured the transmission of the message of His Son and since He reinforces this message by His own authority, mankind has only two choices: to believe the Scripture or reject the Scripture. The fact that G-d gave us the Scripture is the reason we know that it is accurate and infallible and inerrant, that it is exactly what He wants us to have. And because G-d has spoken it, we can be confident in the Scripture’s authority.
Well put. God's work included His preservation of the inerrant Word of God.
 

wattie

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If Jesus considers the Old Testament as 'scripture' and quotes from it- including quotes from Genesis- well He is God.. so that is enough for a start.

If Paul considers the Old Testament as 'scripture' and quotes from it - persuading people that Jesus is God from the Old Testament.. that is also enough.

On top of this.. look at all the fulfilled prophecy and the bible being the Word of God becomes a very sure thing.

So in regards to evo theory.. well.. it doesn't mix with people having a fallen nature.. has no Adam and Eve where Jesus believed these were the first people among other things.
 
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Graybeard

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I have trouble believing Paul was correct when he told women not to speak in church and that wives should submit to the wills of their husbands.
Well seeing that Paul walked, talked and was taught by Jesus Himself...I agree with you that you have a problem:)

Is the entire Bible the infallible inerrant Word of God?
right on!
 
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Of course it is! All of it is 100% perfect and the absolute word of God.
 
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ASSIYAH

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"Is the entire Bible the infallible inerrant Word of God?"

If not, Than God is not God at all.

Why would we serve a God who couldn't even preserve His Own Word?

But, God is God and He has been faithful to preserve His Word.

14 The Word became a human being and lived with us, and we saw his Sh'khinah, the Sh'khinah of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth. (John 1)

Yeshua is the Word, and look at how powerful the Word is.

35 .... (and the Tanakh/Scriptures/Word cannot be broken), (John 10)

17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the Torah to become void. (Luke 16)
 
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Well seeing that Paul walked, talked and was taught by Jesus Himself...I agree with you that you have a problem:)
Jesus said,

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:37-40 RSV

Paul said,

“For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’” Galatians 5:14 RSV

I don’t see how they can both be right.
 
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I have trouble believing Paul was correct when he told women not to speak in church and that wives should submit to the wills of their husbands.
Maybe that's due to how Paul didn't say it, he QUESTIONED it. Read the next few verses. Where Paul said what?came the word of God from you? or unto only you? the answer is NO the word of God didn't come from Paul, in other words it's God's word not Paul's word.Also, it didn't go only unto men. It was given to woman as much as men. Proof: women read and believe it just as men do. Women can have gifts just like men, we're equal.
 
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Maybe that's due to how Paul didn't say it, he QUESTIONED it. Read the next few verses. Where Paul said what?came the word of God from you? or unto only you? the answer is NO the word of God didn't come from Paul, in other words it's God's word not Paul's word.Also, it didn't go only unto men. It was given to woman as much as men. Proof: women read and believe it just as men do. Women can have gifts just like men, we're equal.
Jesus told us to be just (Matthew 23:23). I don’t see how it is just to bar a woman from speaking in church, if she wants to, and there are a lot of women who want to. There are many women pastors.
 
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Jesus told us to be just (Matthew 23:23). I don’t see how it is just to bar a woman from speaking in church, if she wants to, and there are a lot of women who want to. There are many women pastors.
Exactly, and there's no way I'll just 'shut up' because a man wants that. It's a gender thing in all honesty. If God says speak, I'm gonna speak. you call it preaching,testifying, witnessing, whatever you want. I'm going to obey God, not man! I'm outspoken, I'm the way God made me, I'll do what HE says to do, when, and how HE says to do it. God bless!
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Jesus said,

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:37-40 RSV

Paul said,

“For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’” Galatians 5:14 RSV

I don’t see how they can both be right.
Because what Paul said is a subset of what Jesus said. They are not opposed--depend and fulfilled.