Is the GREAT CITY in BABYLON, actually in Babylon, in Rev. 18?

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VCO

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BUT NOT THE GREAT CITY OF BABYLON in Rev. 18. It is a huge Deep Water Seaport, providing Merchandise to Merchants world-wide.

Revelation 18:10-13 (NJB)
10 while they keep at a safe distance through fear of her anguish. They will say: Mourn, mourn for this great city, Babylon, so powerful a city, in one short hour your doom has come upon you.
11 ‘There will be weeping and distress over her among all the traders of the earth when no one is left to buy their cargoes of goods;
12 their stocks of gold and silver, jewels and pearls, linen and purple and silks and scarlet; all the sandalwood, every piece in ivory or fine wood, in bronze or iron or marble;
13 the cinnamon and spices, the myrrh and ointment and incense; wine, oil, flour and corn; their stocks of cattle, sheep, horses and chariots, their slaves and their human cargo.


Chariots could be:

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Revelation 18:17-19 (NJB)
17 your huge riches are all destroyed within a single hour.' All the captains and seafaring men, sailors and all those who make a living from the sea kept a safe distance,
18 watching the smoke as she burned, and crying out, ‘Has there ever been a city as great as this!'
19 They threw dust on their heads and said, with tears and groans: ‘Mourn, mourn for this great city whose lavish living has made a fortune for every owner of a sea-going ship, ruined within a single hour.


NO DEEP WATER SEAPORT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROME.



Statue of Liberty was modeled after this statue of ISHTAR, the Babylonian Goddess, known as Queen of Heaven.


It just HIT ME, the reference to SLAVES, very well could be a return to a MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE, such as SELECTIVE SERVICE DRAFT of Year Gone By. YES, I ENLISTED IN THE AIR FORCE TO AVOID THE DRAFT.
 

jb

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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA Ok......wow!
Your comment here is unusually myopic!

You might want to read the blog I did on the identity of "the city, the great one," you can find it Here
 
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I believe that it has to do with USA and the Vatican. The beast will come out of the USA.
 
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Your comment here is unusually myopic!

You might want to read the blog I did on the identity of "the city, the great one," you can find it Here
I do not need to read your blog to know that Mystery, Babylon, that MEGA city where the Kings of the earth meet is NOT Jerusalem
 

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Revelation 18:15-19 (YLT)

15 The merchants of these things, who were made rich by her, far off shall stand because of the fear of her torment, weeping, and sorrowing,
16 and saying, Woe, woe, the great city, that was arrayed with fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and gilded in gold, and precious stone, and pearls--because in one hour so much riches were made waste!
17 `And every shipmaster, and all the company upon the ships, and sailors,
and as many as work the sea, far off stood,


18 and were crying, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like to the great city?

19 and they did cast dust upon their heads, and were crying out, weeping and sorrowing, saying, Woe, woe, the great city! in which were made rich all having ships in the sea, out of her costliness--for in one hour was she made waste.
VCO look into the papal states and her allies , then you have a better stance on how many harbors she actually has.​

Papal States​


Holy Roman Empire​


Mystery Babylon is Rome / Vatican City.

Shalom​
 

vic1980

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Something else that needs to be examine VCO , you have to go back a few years before papal states to get the clearest perspective of Mystery Babylon , thee Byzantine Empire that was given to the Bishop of Rome / Papacy by the authorization of Emperor Justinian under his Justinian Code 131st Novel issued in 545AD​


Also to note Rome/ Vatican City is the oldest man made institution in the world , that has been antichrist sence it foundation , hope this helps Shalom​
 

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everyone believes the BEAST is an object like human or animal. but I add this to see if this helps you understand better.


there is a number given [666] to buy food, medical, clothing, shopping, etc. I see this as the new [[RFID chips]]. people already have them implanted into their hands and scan them like credit cards or to clock in/out of their jobs.

but the BEAST is the [[SYSTEM]] by how the number [666] will work.

a couple examples here:
BITCOIN:
this is a cashless system that works via computers. Sweden has become cashless and it's forecasted several others are going cashless including Israel here in next couple years. that means it will be all computerized.

Silicon Valley is now creating a new computer technology called QUANTUM TECHNOLOGY COMPUTING:
the claim is ONE COMPUTER with QUANTUM TECHNOLOGY can control the entire world medical, banking, everything.

in my opinion, the Beast is this new technology that will control ONE WORLD BANKING, ECONOMY, MEDICAL, etc.

and since United States of America seems to be the ones heading this new technology, it appears the BEAST is American and Babylon is somewhere within the USA!!
 

jb

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I do not need to read your blog to know that Mystery, Babylon, that MEGA city where the Kings of the earth meet is NOT Jerusalem
Rev 11v8: "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Rev 14v8: "And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

Rev 17v18: "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

"The great city," which is also called "the woman" and "Babylon" is said to be the place "where also our Lord was crucified."

Which IS Jerusalem!

You obviously have paid NO attention to the warning given in Rev 22v18,19, you reject what the Scriptures clearly teach to embrace your own man made unscriptural tradition!
 
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That Rev 13:2 describes the beast with the 10 horns and 7 heads rising out of the sea as leopard (which does not change its spots?) with the mouth of a lion (France) and the feet of a bear (Russia) while Rev 18:8 speaks to the kings of the earth who, "lived in luxury with her"has me leaning strongly toward Luxembourg (luxurious city), which is a founding member and the seat of the EU (emerging in, what, 1945 or 1948?, from the seat of the 3rd Reich).

Looking at it in an expanded map and seeing that Rev 1:9 speaks of, "the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits..." only strengthens my inkling toward that Great City to being Luxembourg (City).
Actually, What I believe John is referring two are the first few beasts of Daniels prophesy,

The lion would be the great power Babylon
The Bear would represent media Persia
The leopard would represent Greece,


the final beast was always said to have parts of the first 4, and I believe this is what John is seeing here.

if one studies Dan 2, 7, 9, rev 13, 17 you see a story which is all intertwined, God keeps giving more and more information about this period of great distress. STarting with basic, dan 2, Deeper Dan 7, with deeper introduction to the second 2 powers and the final in the rest of daniel, Then in Rev 13, God gives John a peak of this period. Again in rev 17 - 20, we have a story, a story about a time period called the time or period of the gentiles. Paul mentions this in rev 11, when he said when that time is complete. Israel will repent, that is of course, When Jesus returns to earth and destroys the final gentile empire (feet of Iron and clay, or 4th beast of dan 7, or the prince of dan 9 or the time jesus returns or all flesh would be killed (matt 24) etc etc...
 
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Rev 11v8: "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Rev 14v8: "And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

Rev 17v18: "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

"The great city," which is also called "the woman" and "Babylon" is said to be the place "where also our Lord was crucified."

Which IS Jerusalem!

You obviously have paid NO attention to the warning given in Rev 22v18,19, you reject what the Scriptures clearly teach to embrace your own man made unscriptural tradition!
when has jerusalem EVER reigned over the kings of the Earth?
 
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I believe that it has to do with USA and the Vatican. The beast will come out of the USA.
How can he come out of the USA if he is said to be the prince of Rome?? (dan 2, 7 9 and many other prophesies)
 

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VCO look into the papal states and her allies , then you have a better stance on how many harbors she actually has.​

Papal States​


Holy Roman Empire​


Mystery Babylon is Rome / Vatican City.

Shalom​

Only ONE has a Giant Statue of ISHTAR, in the Habor. JOHN seeing that would have called it the Great City of Bablylon.
 
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pjharrison

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How can he come out of the USA if he is said to be the prince of Rome?? (dan 2, 7 9 and many other prophesies)
Hes coming out of the usa. The usa is known as the free world. The false prophet is in the Vatican. The Vatican is Babylon.
 
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Hes coming out of the usa. The usa is known as the free world. The false prophet is in the Vatican. The Vatican is Babylon.
You did not answer my question, You just made a general statement

In those passages I gave, they have the final beast coming out of rome, so how could that be the USA? The USA was unknown to John, ROme was known. Why would jon make such a huge mistake?
 
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Only ONE has a Giant Statue of ISHTAR, in the Habor. JOHN seeing that would have called it the Great City of Bablylon.
Babylon represents spiritual harlotry, (ie, your religion is based on a false bride, or prostitute, or as a prostitute does, a subsititute bride) It is seen with the pagan gods which got its origins at the towel of babel in what later became known as babylon. which late became worldwide, we see it in the Canaanite Gods, The Egyptian Gods, the Syrian Gods, the greek Gods and finally the roman Gods.

Can you show me how the US is a spiritual harlot spreading her harlotry to the kings of the world? and how she could be seen as the master spiritual harlot, just based off one statue??
 

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when has jerusalem EVER reigned over the kings of the Earth?

Try and RECTIFY that the CITY HE is talking about all the Shipmasters, sailors, and owners of Ships, will mourn hear LOSS. PLUS GOD STILL IS NOT FINISHED WITH JERUSALEM.

Revelation 18:9 (NJB)
9 ‘There will be mourning and weeping for her by the kings of the earth who have prostituted themselves with her and held orgies with her. They see the smoke as she burns,

UNITED NATIONS!

Revelation 18:15 (NJB)
15The traders who had made a fortune out of her will be standing at a safe distance through fear of her anguish, mourning and weeping.

Revelation 18:17-21 (NJB)
17 your huge riches are all destroyed within a single hour.' All the captains and seafaring men, sailors and all those who make a living from the sea kept a safe distance,
18 watching the smoke as she burned, and crying out, ‘Has there ever been a city as great as this!'
19 They threw dust on their heads and said, with tears and groans: ‘Mourn, mourn for this great city whose lavish living has made a fortune for every owner of a sea-going ship, ruined within a single hour.
20 ‘Now heaven, celebrate her downfall, and all you saints, apostles and prophets: God has given judgement for you against her.'
21 Then a powerful angel picked up a boulder like a great millstone, and as he hurled it into the sea, he said, That is how the great city of Babylon is going to be hurled down, never to be seen again.



NOTICE THE LAST PART OF THAT VERSE, never to be seen again.

The Great City of Babylon in chapter 18, IS A DIFFERENT REFERENCE, than the Mystery Babylon in chapter 17.





 
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Try and RECTIFY that the CITY HE is talking about all the Shipmasters, sailors, and owners of Ships, will mourn hear LOSS. PLUS GOD STILL IS NOT FINISHED WITH JERUSALEM.

Revelation 18:9 (NJB)
9 ‘There will be mourning and weeping for her by the kings of the earth who have prostituted themselves with her and held orgies with her. They see the smoke as she burns,

UNITED NATIONS!

Revelation 18:15 (NJB)
15The traders who had made a fortune out of her will be standing at a safe distance through fear of her anguish, mourning and weeping.

Revelation 18:17-21 (NJB)
17 your huge riches are all destroyed within a single hour.' All the captains and seafaring men, sailors and all those who make a living from the sea kept a safe distance,
18 watching the smoke as she burned, and crying out, ‘Has there ever been a city as great as this!'
19 They threw dust on their heads and said, with tears and groans: ‘Mourn, mourn for this great city whose lavish living has made a fortune for every owner of a sea-going ship, ruined within a single hour.
20 ‘Now heaven, celebrate her downfall, and all you saints, apostles and prophets: God has given judgement for you against her.'
21 Then a powerful angel picked up a boulder like a great millstone, and as he hurled it into the sea, he said, That is how the great city of Babylon is going to be hurled down, never to be seen again.



NOTICE THE LAST PART OF THAT VERSE, never to be seen again.

The Great City of Babylon in chapter 18, IS A DIFFERENT REFERENCE, than the Mystery Babylon in chapter 17.





I see the shipyard and such as a symbol, not literal events, Much like the leopard is not really a leopard but represents a nation, and the lion, represents a nation (actually a kingdom) the sea from where the beast comes out is not a literal sea. but is mankind in general. The beast is not a beast per say, but is a world leader. Who comes out of the sea of people

The city of the great harlot is a religion who is a spiritual harlot, from where other harlots come, she being the head or chief harlot. The ships of people who look at her are the nations who have been infected with her harlotry.