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It's not actually In the Bible as a prayer, but if you take Rev 3:20, Romans 10:9-10. Rom 5:8 and maybe a few others, you can see how it came about. It is not Biblical per se AND it does not save! THat's right, it does NOT save. It is an invitation to the Lord to become your Lord and Savior, BUT it is faith...true belief that HE is who He says He is and did/does what He His word says He did and obedience TO THAT WORD, that saves. Faith/belief...without works is dead. The devil believes...and he is NOT saved. One Could say that it is what 'opens the door' to the kingdom of Heaven. But in order to actually walk through, you need to WALK WITH the LORD.
Maggie
Maggie
Does not the passage in (Lk 18:10-14) give us a sinner and his prayer for mercy, and this same man went to his home justified? Any prayer from a sinner that acknowledges their need for the mercy and/or grace of God is a sinner's prayer and it is honored by God with justification without exception. When a sinner is justified by mercy and/or grace, that sinner is saved 100%. The only work the sinner is required to do is to believe upon the Son, whom God sent (Jn 6:29). When God justifies the believer by faith (Rom 5:1) through the blood of Christ (Rom 5:9) that is an active faith with the power of God unto salvation behind it (Rom 1:16).
The devil believes that God exist because he was created as God's most beautiful creation and spent some time with Him in heaven, even at the time the foundations of the earth was laid when the stars of God shouted for joy (Ez 28:14-19, Job 38:4-7). He knew the one that sat upon the throne in heaven, he was an anointed cherub and iniquity was found in him (Ez 28:15). He was cast out of heaven as lightning (Lk 10:18) and one third of the stars of heaven with him and they all knew the one that reigned upon the throne. For these fallen angels to say there is no God would not be unbelief on their part but one of rebellious rejection of who they know to be the true and living God.
BTW- There is no blood that could save and bring redemption to Lucifer (Satan) or any of the fallen angels not matter what they believed, for the were cast out and bound for the everlasting lake of fire that was made just for them (Mt 25:41).
The devil believes that God exist because he was created as God's most beautiful creation and spent some time with Him in heaven, even at the time the foundations of the earth was laid when the stars of God shouted for joy (Ez 28:14-19, Job 38:4-7). He knew the one that sat upon the throne in heaven, he was an anointed cherub and iniquity was found in him (Ez 28:15). He was cast out of heaven as lightning (Lk 10:18) and one third of the stars of heaven with him and they all knew the one that reigned upon the throne. For these fallen angels to say there is no God would not be unbelief on their part but one of rebellious rejection of who they know to be the true and living God.
BTW- There is no blood that could save and bring redemption to Lucifer (Satan) or any of the fallen angels not matter what they believed, for the were cast out and bound for the everlasting lake of fire that was made just for them (Mt 25:41).
When someone is down and dying and a person calls for an ambulance, what saves the person? The calling for the ambulance or the actual visitation of the ambulance to take that person to the "life-giving" substance(s). Our prayer doesn't save ourselves! Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Salvation is also not just a one time process. It's a chain of redemption. Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. To say salvation is accomplished simply by one prayer is ignorant of the scriptures. It is also a life long relationship with God. Matthew 7:23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.' Can sinners pray to God? Why yes they can, but it's not based upon us solely to save ourselves. I hope this answers your question.
God Speed,
Berean
Salvation is also not just a one time process. It's a chain of redemption. Romans 8:29-30 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. To say salvation is accomplished simply by one prayer is ignorant of the scriptures. It is also a life long relationship with God. Matthew 7:23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.' Can sinners pray to God? Why yes they can, but it's not based upon us solely to save ourselves. I hope this answers your question.
God Speed,
Berean
from what ive read, no...
Jesus never said "say a prayer, for the kingdom is att hand"...
He said "repent, for the kingdom is at hand"
i recently read luke 18:10-14, and after reading it, it has nothing to do with saying a sinner's prayer... it has to do with repentance and faith. the tax collector knew he was a sinner before God, and pleaded for forgiveness, and thats what God calls us to do: confess, repent, have faith in His forgiveness, & be baptized.
Jesus never said "say a prayer, for the kingdom is att hand"...
He said "repent, for the kingdom is at hand"
i recently read luke 18:10-14, and after reading it, it has nothing to do with saying a sinner's prayer... it has to do with repentance and faith. the tax collector knew he was a sinner before God, and pleaded for forgiveness, and thats what God calls us to do: confess, repent, have faith in His forgiveness, & be baptized.
Just so that I am not ignorant of the scriptures, would you care to explain the following two verses of scripture...
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:12,13
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:12,13
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I meant ignorant to state that Salvation is a one-time occurring thing. Scripture clearly states that salvation is a life long process in which believers are transformed into the image of the son. Sanctification is the continual process of that.
Both of these verses are quotes from the prophet of Joel. The book of Joel, in the second half of chapter 1 is the pleading of Joel with the nation of Israel to repent and turn from their sin. Continuing up to chapter 2 it talks about the day of the Lord and how any man that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Peter states this in Acts chapter 4 when he said, "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." People of that time thought that this applied to Israel, "God's chosen people", but in fact it applies to all of his children. Those who are born again and of all different races.
This is where Paul comes in. Just as is quoted in most of the New Testament, the authors knew that salvation was for more then just the Jews. Paul stated this numerous times as well as John in the gospel he wrote, specifically chapter 3. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Not JUST Israel, but everyone that believes on him will be saved. It's a guarantee from God that gentiles will be saved.
Again, I state that salvation is NOT of ourselves. If we pray a prayer or not makes little difference. Salvation is an inward process that takes place. The prayer is a result of what is happening on the inside. Does baptism save us, or does it show what God has changed? Prayer for the believer is the result of salvation.
Both of these verses are quotes from the prophet of Joel. The book of Joel, in the second half of chapter 1 is the pleading of Joel with the nation of Israel to repent and turn from their sin. Continuing up to chapter 2 it talks about the day of the Lord and how any man that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Peter states this in Acts chapter 4 when he said, "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." People of that time thought that this applied to Israel, "God's chosen people", but in fact it applies to all of his children. Those who are born again and of all different races.
This is where Paul comes in. Just as is quoted in most of the New Testament, the authors knew that salvation was for more then just the Jews. Paul stated this numerous times as well as John in the gospel he wrote, specifically chapter 3. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Not JUST Israel, but everyone that believes on him will be saved. It's a guarantee from God that gentiles will be saved.
Again, I state that salvation is NOT of ourselves. If we pray a prayer or not makes little difference. Salvation is an inward process that takes place. The prayer is a result of what is happening on the inside. Does baptism save us, or does it show what God has changed? Prayer for the believer is the result of salvation.
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By all means, God uses grace to save us, but it's not anything that we are to boast in. Ephesians 2:9 talks about not being able to boast. That verse says:
1) It's nothing we do. Works based salvation is clearly not Christianity.
2) It's because God gives us grace and it's all in him so we cannot boast in anything except the work he has done. (i.e. the Cross)
Yes, God saves people in many different means, but it's still God who saves us. God draws us, then we see results of that. Salvation, ultimately, is not determined upon what we do.
1) It's nothing we do. Works based salvation is clearly not Christianity.
2) It's because God gives us grace and it's all in him so we cannot boast in anything except the work he has done. (i.e. the Cross)
Yes, God saves people in many different means, but it's still God who saves us. God draws us, then we see results of that. Salvation, ultimately, is not determined upon what we do.
it takes more that calling Jesus Christ "Lord" to go into heaven, crazy4GODword... for there will be people who say "Lord, Lord" but still not get into heaven (Matthew 7:22)
Berean has it right... it's not a one-time only thing. it's a lifetime process, for only he who endures to the end shall be saved (Matthew 24:13)
Berean has it right... it's not a one-time only thing. it's a lifetime process, for only he who endures to the end shall be saved (Matthew 24:13)
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hmmm, not seeing through the glass sis.....not everyone who says Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven sis (Matthew 24:13). You might have misinterpreted what i was saying.....you do not just say Lord but confess with your mouth truthfully and be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost...
And you must confess with you mouth with a honest heart (Romans 10:9), That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (1 John 1:9), If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hey i am showing what the scriptures show, if you disagree with me then you are disagreeing with the word of God.....
aleichem shalom
And you must confess with you mouth with a honest heart (Romans 10:9), That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (1 John 1:9), If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hey i am showing what the scriptures show, if you disagree with me then you are disagreeing with the word of God.....
aleichem shalom
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Revelation 3:5 *He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Matthew 7:22 *Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 *And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The concept of saying a quick prayer and your good to go is another lie. (for some people who don't have any time left saying a salvation prayer likely will work) for everyone else we got to run the race to get the prize.
Religion is like a vaccination, they give you a little bit of the real thing so that you don't get the real thing.
Lies are similar, most lies have truth mixed in with them.
Matthew 7:22 *Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 *And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The concept of saying a quick prayer and your good to go is another lie. (for some people who don't have any time left saying a salvation prayer likely will work) for everyone else we got to run the race to get the prize.
Religion is like a vaccination, they give you a little bit of the real thing so that you don't get the real thing.
Lies are similar, most lies have truth mixed in with them.
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Um you don't just acknowledge that Jesus is Lord and think you be saved, you must confess and do the will of the Father. Now when Jesus was saying in Matt 7:21-23 is that you must not confess and think you be saved you must do as the Will of the Father as well after confession, put some action into it.
first & foremost, im not your sister. im your brother.
second, look at what you just said within scripture... now combine that with other scriptures. Dont cherry-pick that one scripture (believe me, i see many pastors use that ONE VERSE to back up an entire doctrine)... it is more than just confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord. It has to do with the sin.
Look all throughout the Bible, within new testament and old testament... neither outsiders or Jews were saved by a sinner's prayer... it comes from true confession & repentance, and a sacrifice of some kind... it is the same way, except now the sacrifices we have now are what we consider important in our lives, & water baptism. I hear Romans 10:9 quoted time and time again for it's support, and yet it says nothing about saying a sinner's prayer. It's only one small piece of the puzzle. James goes more into it with in ch4... nowhere does James talk about saying a prayer... he says to fall on our faces, weep and mourn, & let our joy turn to gloom, and humble ourselves, and it's only then through that humility and weakness, realizing and recognizing how wretched we are, how lost we are before Him, and confessing our sins, repenting, truly turning away, start living a life of obedience and holiness, and KNOWING in faith that because we are humble before Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us... it's not about saying "Jesus, i accept You into my heart" (that line is a false sense of security)... that is what God wants from us.
that is what salvation is all about... confession, repentance, baptism, obedience, and holiness. Churches all around the country never focus on that part anymore. they only focus on teeny, tiny part, and they think that's all there is to it
second, look at what you just said within scripture... now combine that with other scriptures. Dont cherry-pick that one scripture (believe me, i see many pastors use that ONE VERSE to back up an entire doctrine)... it is more than just confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord. It has to do with the sin.
Look all throughout the Bible, within new testament and old testament... neither outsiders or Jews were saved by a sinner's prayer... it comes from true confession & repentance, and a sacrifice of some kind... it is the same way, except now the sacrifices we have now are what we consider important in our lives, & water baptism. I hear Romans 10:9 quoted time and time again for it's support, and yet it says nothing about saying a sinner's prayer. It's only one small piece of the puzzle. James goes more into it with in ch4... nowhere does James talk about saying a prayer... he says to fall on our faces, weep and mourn, & let our joy turn to gloom, and humble ourselves, and it's only then through that humility and weakness, realizing and recognizing how wretched we are, how lost we are before Him, and confessing our sins, repenting, truly turning away, start living a life of obedience and holiness, and KNOWING in faith that because we are humble before Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us... it's not about saying "Jesus, i accept You into my heart" (that line is a false sense of security)... that is what God wants from us.
that is what salvation is all about... confession, repentance, baptism, obedience, and holiness. Churches all around the country never focus on that part anymore. they only focus on teeny, tiny part, and they think that's all there is to it
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NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS NOT ONE! Romans 3:10..... Romans 10:3 warns - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...
YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID/
ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."
• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."
• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."
• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."
• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."
• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."
• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...
YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID/
ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."
• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."
• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."
• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."
• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."
• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."
• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.