Is this saying there are two Millennium Reigns making the end of this reality soon?

[pittsburghjoe]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

The second death has no power over us because JESUS was Forsaken for us on The Cross. We are resurrected through CHRIST when we are Reborn?

Revelation 20:4-6

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The purpose of a Millennium after The Return doesn’t make any sense if the crowns still mean something for Infinity. There can’t be gog and magog in a weird second try period. People would have direct evidence of GOD. It seems priests that die in our Millennium Join CHRIST in Overseeing what happens …right now.

Revelation 20:7-8
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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

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8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

 

[Yahshua]

Well, I will agree that we are much closer than most realize, but no it's not saying there are two 1000 year reigns but is simply continuing the narrative. Remember other passages of scripture that explain certain truths.

1. Hebrews explains that we're under the Melchisedec order now which means each priest is a king and each king is a priest. They are a single group. So priest-kings reign for the millennium.

2. Paul explains in 1 Thessalonians that both those who are dead in Messiah (including martyrs) and those who are alive and remain at His coming are gathered together into one group during the same event.

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As far as Gog and Magog; It seems you're trying to reconcile your initial understanding of end-time events with the text. But when there's a discrepancy we must forsake our initial understanding and let the text lead us.

Let's list events starting from Revelation 18 through to 21:


Rev 18 - The great city of Babylon is destroyed; the world (i.e. the corrupt nations) mourns its destruction

Rev 19 - The marriage supper of the Lamb for all those gathered to Him who are His possession

Rev 19 - The Messiah returns to earth and destroys beast & army (and jails satan so he can't deceive the nations)

Rev 20 - Messiah & Saints (His priest-kings; those raised and those already alive; all who married Him) reign *over the nations* 1000 years
- The nations need to be broken like iron on pottery (Rev 2:27)

- The nations are as corrupt as they were before Messiah's arrival, but the nations aren't the beast's army (it's the difference between soldiers and citizens). So they need to be taught.

- The beast's army and all of those who weren't The Messiah's at their death, are still dead.

- The nations are still mortal (i.e. can still be hurt by the second death), and will still live & die like normal during the 1000yrs

- The Almighty hasn't begun dwelling with mankind just yet. The millennium reign is the Messiah's 2nd work of completely removing sin from the world. Then He will return authority back to the Father, and then the Father will descend and dwell with mankind forever.

Rev 20 - After the 1000 years ends, there will be the 2nd resurrection for those who weren't The Messiah's at their death

Rev 20 - This will be when satan is loosed from prison. He will have people to influence again.

Rev 20 - This resurrection will revive ALL of mankind from the beginning, until that moment; all those who weren't Messiah's at their death. A massive multitude of people, all ready to war against the reigning saints on earth. This is the Gog & Magog army.

- It's safe to deduce that satan's propaganda will probably say things like, "these people don't deserve to rule over us. Their way is oppression. They are few and we are many. We are the conquerors of this world. It's ours! We invaded them before we can do it again!"

- And again, there is a difference between the soldier and the citizen. There will be people who won't gather with the Gog & Magog army to attack the saints.

Rev 20 - They surround the Holy Land ready to attack but are destroyed by heavenly fire. satan is cast into fire.

Rev 20 - The rest of the dead (no longer dead because they were resurrected) are judged based on their actions in life. If they're not found written in the book they are cast into the fire. Finally, death and the grave are cast into the fire. There are no more mortal people.

Rev 21 - With all sin gone The Messiah's 2nd work is "finished". The Almighty descends, renews the earth, and dwells with the good of mankind forever.

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Ezekiel chapters 33-40 is a prophetic foretelling of what all was to happen after the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylonian captivity (during the 2nd temple period). When you overlay these chapters with the events found in Revelation it fills in a few missing pieces.

 

[Adstar]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

The second death has no power over us because JESUS was Forsaken for us on The Cross. We are resurrected through CHRIST when we are Reborn?

Revelation 20:4-6​

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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

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5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

There is only one millennium.. But there are two resurrections.. This is probably what is causing you confusion.. There is a resurrection of the Saints at the time of the return of Jesus.. and then a resurrection at the end of the 1000 years when everyone else is resurrected and judged..

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Well, I will agree that we are much closer than most realize, but no it's not saying there are two 1000 year reigns but is simply continuing the narrative. Remember other passages of scripture that explain certain truths.

1. Hebrews explains that we're under the Melchisedec order now which means each priest is a king and each king is a priest. They are a single group. So priest-kings reign for the millennium.

2. Paul explains in 1 Thessalonians that both those who are dead in Messiah (including martyrs) and those who are alive and remain at His coming are gathered together into one group during the same event.

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As far as Gog and Magog; It seems you're trying to reconcile your initial understanding of end-time events with the text. But when there's a discrepancy we must forsake our initial understanding and let the text lead us.

Let's list events starting from Revelation 18 through to 21:


Rev 18 - The great city of Babylon is destroyed; the world (i.e. the corrupt nations) mourns its destruction

Rev 19 - The marriage supper of the Lamb for all those gathered to Him who are His possession

Rev 19 - The Messiah returns to earth and destroys beast & army (and jails satan so he can't deceive the nations)

Rev 20 - Messiah & Saints (His priest-kings; those raised and those already alive; all who married Him) reign *over the nations* 1000 years
- The nations need to be broken like iron on pottery (Rev 2:27)

- The nations are as corrupt as they were before Messiah's arrival, but the nations aren't the beast's army (it's the difference between soldiers and citizens). So they need to be taught.

- The beast's army and all of those who weren't The Messiah's at their death, are still dead.

- The nations are still mortal (i.e. can still be hurt by the second death), and will still live & die like normal during the 1000yrs

- The Almighty hasn't begun dwelling with mankind just yet. The millennium reign is the Messiah's 2nd work of completely removing sin from the world. Then He will return authority back to the Father, and then the Father will descend and dwell with mankind forever.

Rev 20 - After the 1000 years ends, there will be the 2nd resurrection for those who weren't The Messiah's at their death

Rev 20 - This will be when satan is loosed from prison. He will have people to influence again.

Rev 20 - This resurrection will revive ALL of mankind from the beginning, until that moment; all those who weren't Messiah's at their death. A massive multitude of people, all ready to war against the reigning saints on earth. This is the Gog & Magog army.

- It's safe to deduce that satan's propaganda will probably say things like, "these people don't deserve to rule over us. Their way is oppression. They are few and we are many. We are the conquerors of this world. It's ours! We invaded them before we can do it again!"

- And again, there is a difference between the soldier and the citizen. There will be people who won't gather with the Gog & Magog army to attack the saints.

Rev 20 - They surround the Holy Land ready to attack but are destroyed by heavenly fire. satan is cast into fire.

Rev 20 - The rest of the dead (no longer dead because they were resurrected) are judged based on their actions in life. If they're not found written in the book they are cast into the fire. Finally, death and the grave are cast into the fire. There are no more mortal people.

Rev 21 - With all sin gone The Messiah's 2nd work is "finished". The Almighty descends, renews the earth, and dwells with the good of mankind forever.

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Ezekiel chapters 33-40 is a prophetic foretelling of what all was to happen after the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylonian captivity (during the 2nd temple period). When you overlay these chapters with the events found in Revelation it fills in a few missing pieces.

Priest-kings are right now. You are not getting how ridiculous a Reign with direct proof is.
If there are two 1000 years periods ...it means the mark of the beast already happened in the first one.

i'm not saying to go out and get the vaccine, but the mark became following satan's plan instead of GOD'S Plan of LIFE.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Priest-kings are right now. You are not getting how ridiculous a Reign with direct proof is.
If there are two 1000 years periods ...it means the mark of the beast already happened in the first one.

i'm not saying to go out and get the vaccine, but the mark became following satan's plan instead of GOD'S Plan of LIFE.

Well the mark has not happened yet

Rome has not been reformed yet

Christ has not returned yet

so we have not started any millenium

 

[Journeyman]

behold, thy King cometh unto thee.....lowly..... Zech.9:9

Currently, our King and his followers reign in meekness for "a thousand years".

 

[Runningman]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

The second death has no power over us because JESUS was Forsaken for us on The Cross. We are resurrected through CHRIST when we are Reborn?

Revelation 20:4-6​

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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

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5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

In my opinion, Revelation 20:4-6 is saying that those who died in the great tribulation (GT) will receive a resurrected body during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, aka Millennial Kingdom (MK). I think of being martyred in the GT as a ticket to a bonus resurrection.

"The rest of the dead", I believe, are those who are dead in Christ. They are physically dead, but spiritually alive of course. This is saying that all of those who died physically before the GT will not be resurrected with a glorified body during the MK.

It does not say that the dead in Christ will be excluded from the MK, rather they are not resurrected until after the 1,000 years are complete.

In conclusion, the MK will be composed of both resurrected and non-resurrected saints. There is only one MK.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

In my opinion, Revelation 20:4-6 is saying that those who died in the great tribulation (GT) will receive a resurrected body during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, aka Millennial Kingdom (MK). I think of being martyred in the GT as a ticket to a bonus resurrection.

"The rest of the dead", I believe, are those who are dead in Christ. They are physically dead, but spiritually alive of course. This is saying that all of those who died physically before the GT will not be resurrected with a glorified body during the MK.

It does not say that the dead in Christ will be excluded from the MK, rather they are not resurrected until after the 1,000 years are complete.

In conclusion, the MK will be composed of both resurrected and non-resurrected saints. There is only one MK.

Verse 5 is saying the first resurrection is after the Reign of the Martyrs.

Priest-kings are right now. You are not getting how ridiculous a Reign with direct proof is. (gog and magog in Revelation 20:8)

If there are two 1000 year periods ...it means the mark of the beast already happened in the first one.

i'm not saying to go out and get the vaccine, but the mark became following satan's plan instead of GOD'S Plan of LIFE.

Zechariah 9:9

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

Hiya. Nope, brother; there’s just one Millennium, and it begins at the 7th Trump when Jesus returns (Second Advent).

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is our interpretation wrong if we think Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 will have direct proof of God in the Millennium Reign? Does it suggest we could be in the Reign right now?

 

[ewq1938]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

The phrase "thousand years" appears 6 times in Revelation 20 but it's 1 period of a thousand years not 6 different ones.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The phrase "thousand years" appears 6 times in Revelation 20 but it's 1 period of a thousand years not 6 different ones.

To say there is going to be a Millennium Reign after The Return of CHRIST is to say some people will have an unfair chance of being saved. GOD doesn't allow direct evidence because The Choice to Choose His Plan of LIFE has to be Free.

 

[ewq1938]

Is our interpretation wrong if we think Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 will have direct proof of God in the Millennium Reign?

They will know of the true God but satan will go to them and deceive them.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Deception blocks the truth so a new false truth is believed.

 

[ewq1938]

To say there is going to be a Millennium Reign after The Return of CHRIST is to say some people will have an unfair chance of being saved.

No, this is not true. Nothing is "unfair" about being saved.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No, this is not true. Nothing is "unfair" about being saved.

the fallen angels had direct evidence of GOD ...humans will not be in the same scenario.

 

[Yahshua]

You are not getting how ridiculous a Reign with direct proof is.

To say there is going to be a Millennium Reign after The Return of CHRIST is to say some people will have an unfair chance of being saved. GOD doesn't allow direct evidence because The Choice to Choose His Plan of LIFE has to be Free.

As far as unfair chances, I think the Messiah's parable about the harvest workers will help. The Almighty's mind is not like our mind. We think the time we put into His work should lead to a better reward than someone else who puts in less time or who comes late to the party...but the Almighty says that everything is His and he can agree to reward however much He wants to whomever he wants, especially if He gives you what you agreed He'd give you.

Remember (doubting) Thomas needed proof of the risen Christ else he would not believe...and so proof was given to him. The Messiah said, "put your hand in my side and in the holes in my hands. Handle me and don't doubt."

The Messiah then said, "blessed are those who do not see and yet still believe."

It IS a greater reward for those who do not need to see to believe, as they will receive their immortal bodies and be married to Messiah. But there's also mercy for those who've lived in a world full of lies honestly not knowing who to believe. So all will be given a chance to make a fair choice without the deceiver in their ear. The Messiah's job is to save the world, and the kingdom of priest's job is to spread the knowledge of Almighty to the nations.

They will have no excuse when The Messiah comes and so they will need to strictly obey just like in the OT or be punished.

The Almighty gave clear evidence of his presence in the OT and thus demanded strict obedience because there was no excuse not to know who He was/is. This is why Revelation says the 1000yr reign will be like iron. Grace period will be at an end.

It will be HARD for the nations. It's not going to be an age of Kum-By-Ya. Life as everyone knows it will be over. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And yet...even with clear evidence of His reality, many people in the OT who had rebellious hearts still disobeyed. So there will be those who will STILL refuse to submit even in the millennium. They are truly satan's children and will be destroyed during Gog & Magog war.

 

[ewq1938]

the fallen angels had direct evidence of GOD ...humans will not be in the same scenario.

Wrong. Christ will be ruling over mortal humans in the Millennium. That's direct evidence of God.

 

[Adstar]

The phrase "thousand years" appears 6 times in Revelation 20 but it's 1 period of a thousand years not 6 different ones.

There are people even today who believe in YAVEH but they believe He is the evil God and that satan is the good god who will overcome and defeat YAVEH and all the satanists who serve satan will rule .. In the end of the 1000 years likewise satan will be released from the bottomless pit and go out to deceive the nations..

The nations after 1000 years under the rule of the LORD Jesus remember how the Book of revelation describes how His rule will be::

(Revelation 19:15) "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron so the rule shall not be any kind of soft democracy.. So after 1000 years these nations will be ready to hear a ear itching message that they can throw off the rule of the LORD just as some people today think satan is going to throw off the rule of the LORD..

 

[pittsburghjoe]

There are people even today who believe in YAVEH but they believe He is the evil God and that satan is the good god who will overcome and defeat YAVEH and all the satanists who serve satan will rule .. In the end of the 1000 years likewise satan will be released from the bottomless pit and go out to deceive the nations..

The nations after 1000 years under the rule of the LORD Jesus remember how the Book of revelation describes how His rule will be::

(Revelation 19:15) "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron so the rule shall not be any kind of soft democracy.. So after 1000 years these nations will be ready to hear a ear itching message that they can throw off the rule of the LORD just as some people today think satan is going to throw off the rule of the LORD..

but that happens right now with prosperity sermons.