Israel or Palestine?

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wdeaton65

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That is what you have been told Egreatful that is not the point of this talk with Pete
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That is what you have been told Egreatful that is not the point of this talk with Pete
'what I have been told?? lol.. no, it is what I have studied and found to be true.

sorry you opened up the topic.. just wanted to point out that whatever the context was, it was not true.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Lets just stick to what Pete is talking about and I dont mean all of Eze 36 just the end time gathering part
still waiting how about just barasheet can you tell us what that means
I will respond to your posts in order, AFTER YOU QUIT IGNORING, and respond to my responses to you in order. Beginning with a line by line, point by point, of my first, on down to my last, including your false witness against me. QUIT RUNNING AND HIDING FROM THE TRUTH, and objective reality, by trying to change the subject.
 
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wdeaton65

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Still waiting Pete not even barasheet WOW I guess that somes it up. Thanks for your lesson.
Egreatful if you believe it is ok to support this killing and world controling thing going on then run with that There is a real end time gathering and a conterfiet you choose which to follow I am OUT
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Still waiting Pete not even barasheet WOW I guess that somes it up. Thanks for your lesson.
Egreatful if you believe it is ok to support this killing and world controling thing going on then run with that There is a real end time gathering and a conterfiet you choose which to follow I am OUT
support what killing? I do not believe in the support of any killing in the name of religion.

All I wanted to do was show where something you said was not right from what I see it.. Believe that does not support killing.
 
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wdeaton65

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The subject is you are not trained to teach GODS WORD so stop trying you have proved that with out a doubt and your coment on what is taught by rabbis what a joke. I am angered so I am done. Nothing comes good out of my flesh. Sorry for being short. I hope you look this stuff up Yeshua forbids us to KILL ANYONE for any reason.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Still waiting Pete not even barasheet WOW I guess that somes it up. Thanks for your lesson.
Egreatful if you believe it is ok to support this killing and world controling thing going on then run with that There is a real end time gathering and a conterfiet you choose which to follow I am OUT
You've been out since the beginning of our chat. MIA. You are part of "the end time gathering" of those who join Muslims in Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, to Muhammad's followers. Christians now beginning to suffer dhimmitude, thanks to you and your ilk:

"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza,"
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law

"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians
 
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wdeaton65

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I told you I am OUT if you dont know the beginning you cant know the end I am so tired of this jew gentile stuff go murder them all come get me to right I hate the idea of zionism I will never put those chains on again
 
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Abiding

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You've been out since the beginning of our chat. MIA. You are part of "the end time gathering" of those who join Muslims in Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, to Muhammad's followers. Christians now beginning to suffer dhimmitude, thanks to you and your ilk:

"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza,"
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law

"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians

I dont think you are correct thinking you are either for Israel or Islam.
Neither one perk my interest. The rest is politics. But if your gona take
that position, youl alienate a large part of the population, or make them
take sides with an enemy.

They taught my daughter in sex ed she had two choices, abortion or ruining her and the childs life.
So choose a side. Not right to divide the thread like that. That wont lead to any objectivity.
What if their both wrong?
 
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Abiding

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The Arab spring is a very interesting subject.
Of coarse it will have an ill effect on christians
especially when you look at who alot of Arabs feel
promoted and aggravated it.
 
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wdeaton65

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I am sorry for blowing up I LOVE YOU ALL we are one in Yeshua that is all I am saying.

ps I read through my post it is prideful and mean please forgive me it is that whole better than you nature my curse. See what happens when you teach young children they are better than others LOL

The old man dies hard LOL blessings to you to egreatful I am sorry.
 

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You've been out since the beginning of our chat. MIA. You are part of "the end time gathering" of those who join Muslims in Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, to Muhammad's followers. Christians now beginning to suffer dhimmitude, thanks to you and your ilk]
 

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I am sorry for blowing up I LOVE YOU ALL we are one in Yeshua that is all I am saying.

ps I read through my post it is prideful and mean please forgive me it is that whole better than you nature my curse. See what happens when you teach young children they are better than others LOL

The old man dies hard LOL blessings to you to egreatful I am sorry.
william...you're fine.
let them keep laying out their ideas.
makes 'em easier to spot.
 

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The subject is you are not trained to teach GODS WORD so stop trying you have proved that with out a doubt and your coment on what is taught by rabbis what a joke. I am angered so I am done. Nothing comes good out of my flesh. Sorry for being short. I hope you look this stuff up Yeshua forbids us to KILL ANYONE for any reason.
don't get angry william.
this is what your lot is, for now.
hated by your kin for leaving and rejected by xtain zionists for speaking.
don't get discouraged....just keep telling the truth.
those who are of God will know if you are speaking truth or not.
i'm with ya.
zone.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I told you I am OUT if you dont know the beginning you cant know the end I am so tired of this jew gentile stuff go murder them all come get me to right I hate the idea of zionism I will never put those chains on again

nothing wrong with hating zionism. They are our enemy. it is just those who pic sides and say we should defend one and not another,, or whatever.. which causes all the problem.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am sorry for blowing up I LOVE YOU ALL we are one in Yeshua that is all I am saying.

ps I read through my post it is prideful and mean please forgive me it is that whole better than you nature my curse. See what happens when you teach young children they are better than others LOL

The old man dies hard LOL blessings to you to egreatful I am sorry.

don't be sorry bro. This is one subject which brings people emotions out. I have known to blow up myself..lol..
 

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PETEWALDO....and ALL Dual Covenant teachers: please address this -

oh look:rolleyes:: speaking of Joel Barlow and Henry Tazewell......


IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT

"We believe Sharia law is not religious theology per se in the sense of the first amendment, both as a historical fact and in light of In Re Ross excoriation and vilifying of Sharia law practices and precepts as inherently uncivilized as recognized in treaties of the US back to the Treaty of Tripoli recognizing America is not a Christian, but a Noahide nation."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44573381/...ul-Arab-Combatants-in-Jewish-Palestine-Israel < click

if anybody wants to full texts and all the intrigue, lemme know.
you can spend 3 weeks slogging through it like it did.

LOL!

America, you are not Christian, but a Noahide Nation!!!! < SURPRISE - ROTFLMHO!:D


Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.
wiki

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and more wiki (hint - know your footnotes ppl):


In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of humankind.[3][4]

According to religious Judaism, any non-Jew who adheres to these laws is regarded as a righteous gentile, and is assured of a place in the World to Come (Olam Haba), the final reward of the righteous.[5][6] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.[citation needed]
The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[7]

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law

Noachide Laws comprise the six laws which were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden, according to the Talmud's interpretation of Gen 2:16,[8] and a seventh one, which was added after the Flood of Noah. According to rabbinic Judaism, the 613 mitzvot or "commandments" given in the written Torah, as well as their reasonings in the oral Torah, were issued to the Jews only, and are therefore binding only upon them, having inherited the obligation from their ancestors.

While some Jewish organizations, such as Chabad have worked to promote the observance of the Noachide laws, there are no figures for how many actually do.

Noahide laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


OH YA....SHARIA LAW IS THE BIG THREAT...uh huh.

no, while men slept (freaking out about the PUPPET SHOW ISLAM), the enemy sowed some nasty seeds...right into the heart of Christian America's "Judicial" System.

*cough*


we can do this from Talmud, or from Vatican II, the UN, or from UNESCO, or from anywhere you like -Pete/Ellis/Dolous or whoever....

hey...we can do it right here with the Dual Covenaters!
 

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"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":

OH - I WONDER WHO SECRETLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CHRISTIANS BUT PRETENDS TO.

i wonder who needs a Clash of Civilizations (Global Revolution - Overthrow of the current order) otherwise identifiable as Catastrophic Zionism.

i wonder who is redrawing the MAP?



Definition of PROPAGANDA

1
capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

WEBSTERS

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perhaps today will examine the fake The Arab Spring

who planned it; when and how it was developed; who funded it; who publicized it; who agitated for it; who the agents involved are; who pays for and trains the worst terrorists in the world; and who benefits from it.

we will look at photos; players we will name names, and we will see it is once again NOT Arabs who benefit from this demonic, coordinated-revolutionary scheme.

we will easily see the same tired old methods used, the people never learning how they are manipulated.

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whose religion says the adherents are THE REPAIRERS of the WORLD?

Tikkun Olam
 

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evidently you haven't spoken to many informed jews about this 'chosen and hated' question...
haha...mkay rachel.
:rolleyes:

the classic jewish position on this question is that jews are in many ways actually 'chosen to suffer'...for one thing they believe the 'suffering servant' of isaiah is -them-
oh! wow.
i did(n't) know that.
i have(n't) been saying that for years here getting trashed by y'all.

k....:)



Who is the Son of G-d?

This "Suffering Servant" Holds the Key to Your Salvation


You were created so that you could recognize your Creator, love Him, and serve Him here on earth. But do you know Who G-d really is? The answer to this question surprises many people.

It is an easy mistake to think that one is worshipping the one, true G-d, while actually serving a false one. To help prevent this mistake, G-d described Himself in the Bible, warning us to remember how He appeared when He gave the Ten Commandments:

And the Eternal spoke to you from the middle of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form, only a voice....
And guard your souls carefully, for you did not see any form on the day the Eternal spoke to you in Horev from the middle of the fire, lest you become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any physical shape, the form of a man or woman (1).
In other words, G-d has no physical shape. He is infinite and unlimited, and never appears in the form of any human.

Nor does G-d have any "partners." He alone is the only One Who brings us eternal salvation, as He says in the Bible:

Am I not the Eternal? And there is no other god besides Me—a just G-d and Savior; there is none else. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am G-d and there is none else (2).
Anyone who makes the mistake of worshipping a man for spiritual salvation will be betrayed (3). Eternal life comes directly from G-d, Who is One and infinite, and not through any mediator.

G-d's Firstborn Son

So how has G-d brought His message of truth to the world? According to the Bible, G-d declares that He does have a special son whose mission is to bring His blessings and His salvation to the entire world.

Who is this son? Many religious leaders have offered their opinions on the identity of His son, but really we should find out G-d's "opinion" on this matter.

In the book of Exodus, G-d openly proclaims His son to the world: "Thus says the L-rd: My firstborn son is Israel" (4).

"Israel" is the Jewish people—all of them. The Jews were chosen by G-d to be His special "son," to be, in the words of the Bible, "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" for the whole world (5).

All people are G-d's children, of course, but the Jews are like a "firstborn son" who brings G-d's Word to his younger brothers. Every person who learns from the Jews, and helps them fulfill their special role, becomes a part of G-d's kingdom.

Unfortunately, many times people have not listened to the Jews. For many centuries, the Christian church killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews—men, women, and children -- to prevent their holy message from reaching the rest of the world. Today, church leaders still try to silence the Jewish message by sending missionaries to convert Jews to Christianity!

The Bible tells us that the Jews would suffer greatly, not just for their own sins, but also for the sake of bringing G-d's Word to a rebellious world:

"Comfort, comfort my people," says your G-d. "Persuade Jerusalem and call to her, for her time is full, for her sins have been repaid; for she has received from the hand of the L-rd double for all her sins" (6).
Salvation Through the Law

The Jewish people have been taught the secret to eternal life and blessings for all people, and now they finally have the freedom to reveal G-d's message.

According to that message, the key that unlocks the door to a personal relationship with G-d is His Law—one part for the Jews, the other part for the rest of the world.

At Mount Sinai, G-d gave the Ten Commandments (and hundreds of others) to the Jewish people. These laws apply only to the Jews in their special role as the world's spiritual leaders.

But for everyone else, G-d gave the Seven Commandments (and dozens of other laws). These commandments were given to Noah, after he left the ark that saved his family from the great flood, as an eternal covenant with all the peoples of the earth (7). Since Mount Sinai, the Jews have carried the message of these seven laws to all the peoples.

A non-Jew who follows these commandments is called a Hasidic gentile, and he receives both eternal life and G-d's blessings in his earthly life. By doing good works exactly as G-d commands, he earns a close relationship with his Creator.

A Hasidic gentile celebrates certain "Old Testament" holidays, not Christian holidays. He prays to G-d in the proper way, according to G-d's instructions. He also helps the poor, and he guides his fellow humans—including non-religious Jews—back to G-d's Law. A Hasidic Gentile learns how to redeem every part of his life from the emptiness of modern existence, becoming a "soldier" in G-d's spiritual army.

The Messiah's Message to the World

By asking the Jews for spiritual guidance and turning back to "Old Testament" Law, a Child of Noah also accomplishes the most important task of all: He helps bring the Messiah to redeem the entire world.

The Messiah is a Jewish king who will gather all the Jewish people to Israel, destroy all evil, rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, and bring true freedom to the world by returning everyone to the Law. He will institute G-d's eternal kingdom here on earth.

The Messiah will teach the Word of G-d to all nations, causing Christianity and all other religions to disappear. The Bible says that everyone will become a Hasidic Gentile, thirsting for the ancient Truth:

O L-rd, my strength and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of distress, gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'We have inherited only lies from our fathers, vanity and things which are not useful. Can a man make gods for himself, and they are not gods?'
Therefore, behold, I will cause them to know, this time I will let them know My hand and My strength, and they will know that My Name is Hashem (8).

Who is the Son of G-d? < click


now skip over the 'ohmygoshthatissoantichristofthem!' reaction and just realize that they -do- have a worldview that resolves what you thought was an irresolvable dilemma...there is no 'perpetual cognitive dissonance' leading to 'terrible mental illnesses'
rubbish, again, but i guess i'll have to post on it, since once again you've got a little bit of knowledge and no real substance.

also i will point out that your logic is flawed because we -christians- should in theory suffer from the same 'cognitive dissonance' you say that jews should deal with...and worse yet in our case it is true... we are both elect and hated by the world...
huh?
does not compute. but makes sense from your confusion.
ridiculous.

jews know there's something wrong.
they KNOW...see?
inside.

they know its lies and they know its darkness (i'm speaking of the religious first), and those trapped in the tribal identity chosen-hatred syndrome overall (secular or otherwise)..

apparently you haven't been talking to any self-aware jews.

and most of us are still psychologically stable in spite of it...
well, that's debatable, since most who say they know the truth actually deny it....but if and when they do get it, that's when they go sideways, because they were not prepared.

i know you don't understand my words...that's clear.

you still don't know who did 9-11.

you don't know who is contrary to all mankind and do not please God.

take your time....watch your psychological stability as the truth dawns on you.
then watch your psychological stability as you turn to tell other CHRISTIANS, and are persecuted for it:)
it takes some time, and your pride will hurt a little.

but you'll get there. if you're honest.

let me know if you need help.
 

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AFTER YOU QUIT IGNORING, and respond to my responses to you in order. Beginning with a line by line, point by point, of my first, on down to my last, including your false witness against me. QUIT RUNNING AND HIDING FROM THE TRUTH, and objective reality, by trying to change the subject.
hi Pete.
could you please respond to my posts and quit running and hiding THE TRUTH.

stop burying reality and changing the subject to Islam.

please let's talk Pete. because i want to tear down the strongholds you are building.
i don't really need you help to do it, but it would be nice if you explained why you are afraid to address my posts.

could we talk Talmud please?

thx Pete.
zone