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So I guess the name of Israel can remain and the Palestinians live there rather than the Europeans that are currently there ?
drett....all you have to do is claim the name of Israel, and presto.
everything you want you get.
you have to have laid down 2000 years worth of lies first, but it works out in the end.
 

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what is 'unusual'...or at least significant to modern foreign relations...is that we have a case from over 200 years ago where the crimes...piracy and slavery...were -directly- motivated by islam...and they -admitted- it and indicated that it was the -norm- in islam...

like i said before...muslims don't have a problem with us just because some of us have been mean to them since 1948...
did ya read the post on the Treaty of Tripoli rachel

please tell me what mattered in all of that.
was it Muslim-American relations?

or was it Legal predecent laid down. subversion.

didn't you know it's always been by subversion?:)

do you talk to Native Americans very much?
they know what happened.


i'm not defending Islam.
i want a level-playing field recognizing all the unsaved outside of Christ are LYING.
if you're not capable of that, i must wonder.

apparently we don't quite believe what the Bible says.

if ANYONE could show me Islam as the bad guy in Scripture ANYWHERE without pulling a William Tapley and just calling Obama the Leopard, let's see it!

it ain't in there. it never was.

God names two groups.

israel and gentiles.

now if we as christians can't figure out WHO israel is, why are we having this conversation? LOL.

did ya look at the latest DNA evidence by jewish israeli scientists?

most jews are gentiles.

k? so who is israel?

the bible is quite clear on it.
 

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Yes the Jews were scattered into all the earth as the Scriptures foretold ...even Europe with the promise that He would bring them back. Besides they have been returning from all over the earth...not just Europe.
crossnote - if you could post any passages about bringing them back from captivity, please do so.

we will see they ALL refer to the First Advent when all things written concerning the salvation to the JEW FIRST were fulfilled.

any other Hebrew pictures refer to the very promise of eternity we are waiting on.

there's nothing else.

Millennialism is a jewish fable.
dispense with it and everything is crystal clear.


they missed THIS AGE - Jesus named it as the Messianic Age they knew that. that's why He said it:)

Judaism today says there are Two Ages to come - the age of Messiah and eternity.

guess which age they SKIPPED?

guess which age we appear willing to give up as well?

it's amazing.

Jesus never one time ever taught a Millennial Age after this age.
ever.

that's from Judaism.

ditch it.
 
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​It was Israels own sin.
 
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can we stop right here for a moment.....:)

i have a question of you.

just simple answers for now will do, if possible....this is very interesting.

so far i have seen no Biblical evidence from you that God has any plans whatsoever for Jerusalem that now is (was....in Pauls day when he penned Galatians - maybe we can actually get around to that Book today...up to you)


MY QUESTION -


When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D

whose doing was Titus and the desolation of Jerusalem in 70AD
​It was Israels own sin.
 

zone

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70% of jewish men and 50% of arab men share common paternal ancestors...in other words the vast majority of modern jews are israelite...
i read your reply.
i'm sorry it won't hold up rachel. no matter how you work it.
but keep posting.

you say you looked at Khazaria.com.

did you actually believe what they said?
that they themselves know they were not natural israelites?

or do you think they are deluded too?

.......................

really, you have to spend another year studying the Kingdom of Khazaria.

which you scoffed and utterly denied only a year ago.

right?

......................

so keep posting, and i'll post what i know.

this is how it works....the best evidence leads to the truth.

you have not addressed yet how black africans and caucasians can both be israelites.
could you do that?


you are narrowing it down to jews and arabs now.
why?:)

isn't this what i've actually been saying? all along?

as for this bit:

70% of jewish men and 50% of arab men share common paternal ancestors...in other words the vast majority of modern jews are israelite...
which jewish men?
the black ones or the white ones?, or the 'arabian' ones:)
from the region the bad roman guy called palestine?

if the vast # of jews are israelites, according to your reading of the older, incomplete DNA testing.....then....so are arabs.:)

so which is it?

because in reality...that IS the right answer.

but you have reached the wrong conclusion.
and you've done it because you still don't know which group is lying.

but i plan to get to it...soon.

all of it.

the whole ugly mess can be taken apart. and it will be.
the answer is in who is most interested in lying and covering up the truth and history?
the answer will actually surprise you.

it should be self-evident in this way - WHO HAD TTHE POWER TO TO IT?

to craft all the lies?

WHO?:) how honest can we be today?

see, by attaching the darwinian/nazi/eugenics theories label to the khazarian theory....you actually confirm who it is that's lying, and who it is that are claiming to be jews and are not.

this isn't hard.
at all.

its an absurd subject, and the fact we are even discussing, that we have to discuss it, given that we are supposed to be Christians, who know the Bibel....tells us exactly who it is that came up with parallel plan B, and who it is that was LAWAYS interested in eugenics and darwinianism and racial theories.

is this hard rachel? really?

i'll help...i'll post on who it is in the modern era came up with the whole concept of racial superiority; how to 'prove' it; what to do about it; and how to cover it up when caught.

i've posted all this a million times for years here.
but we're not supposed to actually TELL the truth, we're just supposed to SAY we care about it.

the facts don't lie. real history doesn't lie.
we KNOW who did all of it.

it can't be undone.

God help us all.
 
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You are limiting all evil to islam which is blinding you.[/QUOTEs true. We should judge among st our selves that we wont be judged later, and we should be watching so the day does not comes unawares, having oil in our lamps,watching ,our loins girded waiting for the good master to return. I think we look to others and not ourselves to often.We really at our maturity level, as the church, should concentrate on our own walk with God . we are accused of being hypocrites around the world, and it i mostly true. Again I think it the carnal nature to to often look at others faults with a log in our own eye, leading us to be blind leaders of the blind
 

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Ty dear zone for exposing, and informing about, details of SATANIC zionism and its duped adherents.
 

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this was the method used by lothrop stoddard who attempted to revive the khazar theory in the 1920s...stoddard supported nazi eugentics and forcible sterilization as 'scientific and truly humanitarian' and saying that 'if anything' the judgments of the nazi 'hereditary health' courts that decided forcible sterlization cases were 'too conservative'...though he later opposed the holocaust itself as being not so humane...

in any case this absurd and bigoted pseudoscience has since been tossed into the garbage bin of history where it belongs...

the demise of racist 'science' was the end of the khazar theory for everyone except the 'british israel' cult and the antizionists...
it's unfortunate we have to do this....but apparently we do.
maybe it's best to ease into the matter.

let's look strictly for the time being at the idea that there is a caste system (racial) among 'israelites'.


[video=youtube;8nsOpLcSDFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsOpLcSDFo[/video]


please explain this to me.

i assume you're already familiar with it, the whole story, the facts and the myths.

please support your theory on the matter : namely, why are some people who claim to all be of the same racial stock, filled with racial bigotry against people who are supposed to be their flesh and blood brothers?

i don't need to hear - oh that's sad and its normal for unsaved people - i know that.
what i need to know is WHY DO JEWS have a racial caste system if they are all the same kin?

i'll ask again if you could use yourknowledge of racial migrations and theories to explain how it is a white-skinned jew and a very dark-skinned (black) jew are the same family, racially preserved through 2000 years. yet they hate each other and kill each other and persecute each other.

intermarriage between varying skin colors is DISCOURAGED.



i HATE this stuff....but apparently WE HAVE TO DO IT...because everything is supposedly riding on it!



God owes some people called Israel LAND.

and we will all be cursed if we don't comply with every demand.

so i NEED someone to make it really really clear to me WHO IT IS i am supposed to be blessing.

what color are they?
how do they dress?
what holy books do they use?
what do they say about GOD?

OH IT DOESN'T MATTER? YES YES IT DOES.



anyone who knows, please tell me, since the Gospel for me includes an odd distortion of Genesis 12.

since i don't want to be CURSED by God, and even though i KNOW things like abortion came from the chosen people's extra holy books... i NEED TO BE SURE.

so help me identity the people we are not even supposed to talk about.

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more on eugenics and junk racial theology coming up.
 
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I think what you are really saying is that more non-Israeli Jews, who weren't born there, and don't have to live there, have been duped into believing it is a matter of Jews VS so-called "Palestinians", which is the whole point of the OP. The fact of the matter is the conflict is between Israeli Muslims advancing an Islamic slave state VS the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arab's democracy.

You choose the side of the Muslims. Yet you don't even seem concerned that you may be held accountable, for this:

"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza,"
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law

"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians

These are YOUR peeps. Please click on this youtube search - Islam indoctrination of children - to get a little more familiar with the side you have chosen.

[video=youtube;ZL0C2QvqIlo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo[/video][/QUOTEw this might sound a little to much but , the martyrdom of Christians is the ultimate testimony of Jesus. This is an action that speakes loader than words. Laying down ones life .It like a perfume bottle getting broken open and the fragrant s filling the air. As Christ was the image of the father so are martyrs the image of God laying down his life in love.
 

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​It was Israels own sin.
the point is God decreed it.

it was for rejecting and killing the Son of God who came to save them.

they didn't all reject Him...the remnant was saved.

we know some of their names.

Paul, Peter, James, Nathaniel.....??

yes? no?

The Lord Himself decreed the desolation of the Great harlot who sat upon the many waters round about her.

God said He Himself set her there!

so who was the serpent cult from babylon in place in time to crucify the Lord of Glory? (and no, not serpent SEED cult)...who were the actual sons of Abraham who had already forfeited their inheritance LONG before they release from captivity?

the same ones who killed every prophet God sent to them!

so what happened in 70AD? all destroyed and a few taken away as slaves.

so where were the rest AFTER that?

it doesn't matter! there's no salvation for anyone outside Jesus Christ and the Gospel.

some received it throughout time, and some just wandered off into nothingness...and some hardened in the very religion Jesus cursed....that religion today is Talmudic Judaism, and Islam got a good running start OUT OF IT.

where's pete? let's see why he isn't comparing his notes with mine.
 

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Ty dear zone for exposing, and informing about, details of SATANIC zionism and its duped adherents.
thanks for supporting me tm.
i hate doing it.
it makes me ill.

it made me ill when i had to find out about it.
but if the Lord shows us something, what are we supposed to do with it?

hide it?

not me.

the really tiring part is that i love the jews...even the worst satan worshipping rabbis posing as holy men.
i don't want anybody to face the wrath of God.

i place this at the feet of the so-called christians who were supposed to be watching for this very thing.

but....along came WW2...and a narrative that was embedded in our collective psyches and that was the end of that.

NO MORE TALKING OR YOU ARE CURSED; JAILED OR DEAD.

and scofield and all that trash was in place perfectly.
people say they believe the Bible...they believe satan poses angel of light.
do they really?

just look at how william gets treated!
 
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how honest can we be today?



Jews, Marxism and the Worker’s Movement

A subject index of texts from Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Leon and Luxemburg; texts from the Jewish Socialist and Labor Movement and the effect on the Jewish working class of the Russian Revolution

Jews, Marxism and the Worker's Movement < click

were, and are these people jews?

they say they were and are. are they lying?

i don't want to hear about racial theories or The State of Israel.

i don't want to hear i'm a hater or any of that junk for asking this question.

i want to know if these people said they were and are jews...whatever it means to be a jew.


just yes or no.

.......


after we see if we can be honest today, and we answer just yes or no, then we can go to step 2 and ask things like:

- where did the ideas come from

- what was the result of it

- does it exist today

- is there some religious aspect to it.

- can this be traced to Talmudic Judaism

- is there global aspect to it - a plan to literally subvert all nations



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does this matter concerning the questions at hand - who is Israel, what is Israel, and is there a people of God aside from Jesus Christ?

yes...apparently it does.

some people want me to support unbelieving jews in a global drive for LAND.

help me find out if i should.

please anyone address this post.

PETE???

where are the Muslims in this part?
 
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The Frankfurt School

History of the Frankfurt School < click

were and are these people jews?

no racial theories or State of Israel please.

no antisemitic garbage talk please

just yes or no

...................


- who are these people and what was their goal and gov't approved mandate

- do their ideas have any effect on our society today

- can this be connected to Talmudic Judaism

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Pete?

where are the Muslims in this part?
 

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HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE ARE ASKED TO DENY SIMPLE REALITY


'Jewish banks masterminded crisis'

As world financial crisis continues to show little improvement, websites continue to be flooded with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories accusing financial leaders of Jewish heritage of orchestrating global economy to tune of all-encompassing Zionist plot

Yonit Mozes

Published: 10.21.08, 20:26 / Israel Business

The global financial crisis has brought with it a tidal wave of anti-Semitic sentiments, much of which has led to full-blown conspiracy theories postulating the crisis is part of a Jewish plot. While usual suspects Hamas and Iran have both put in their expected two pennies - with Hamas blaming the Jewish lobby in Washington and Tehran opting for a more far-reaching Zionist plot to control the entire world's economy.

'Jewish banks masterminded crisis' - Israel Business, Ynetnews < click

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now if you are experiencing cognitive dissonance [fear, guilt, shame, social pressure] as result of hearing two words put together - jews and banking, this paper tells you how to think.

it tells you what is acceptable and what is not.

it will give you a narrative you can live with.


How to Think About: Jewish Bankers

MICHAEL KINSLEY
JAN 29, 2010

(These "How to Think About" articles are intended to help you to think through issues in the news about which you may be undecided. We tell you how to think about it. What to think about it is up to you.)

...Is it legitimate to talk about Goldman as a Jewish firm? That's a different question. Many American Jews think "Jewish" when they hear the words "Goldman" and "Sachs," but still cringe whenever they hear the connection made in public, especially by non-Jews....

How to Think About: Jewish Bankers - Michael Kinsley - The Atlantic Wire < click.

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- can any of this be connected to Talmudic Judaism?

- does it matter

- should i stop talking before God curses me according to John Hagee?

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i need help knowing if i am to bless ISRAEL for my salvation

who is Israel.

please tell me using the Bible if possible.





Pete - where are the Muslims in this part?
 
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Ty dear zone for exposing, and informing about, details of SATANIC zionism and its duped adherents.
yawn.....

Now what are we going to do about getting the gospel to these zionists and the palestinians who want to kill each other?
 

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why does any of this matter?

if you can't answer where THIS idea came from, i wonder what's wrong:


Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

Many forms of Christianity, especially Conservative Protestants, consider this view to be heresy. Alternative Christian views are that the Law of Moses has been superseded or abrogated. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 1967, "The Law of the Gospel "fulfills," refines, surpasses, and leads the Old Law to its perfection."

Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of humankind.[3][4]

According to religious Judaism, any non-Jew who adheres to these laws is regarded as a righteous gentile, and is assured of a place in the World to Come (Olam Haba), the final reward of the righteous.[5][6] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.[citation needed]

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[7]

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law

Noachide Laws comprise the six laws which were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden, according to the Talmud's interpretation of Gen 2:16,[8] and a seventh one, which was added after the Flood of Noah. According to rabbinic Judaism, the 613 mitzvot or "commandments" given in the written Torah, as well as their reasonings in the oral Torah, were issued to the Jews only, and are therefore binding only upon them, having inherited the obligation from their ancestors

Noahide laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.

All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click



use your footnotes or ask for help if you can't do research.


Romans 9:8

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.



Paul was surely confused, because these theologians apparently carry the day:



The "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity."
Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism Today, 1966, pp.44-45


"The church and Israel are two distinct groups with whom God has a divine plan...These considerations all arise from a literal method of interpretation."
J. Dwight Pentecost, Things To Come, Zondervan, 1965, p. 193


is Dispensationalism right?


2 Corinthians 11:14
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.


Galatians 1:6
No Other Gospel

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantb of Christ.
 
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yawn.....

Now what are we going to do about getting the gospel to these zionists and the palestinians who want to kill each other?

yawn?

hey EG...is Daniel 9 fulfilled?

are you still teaching Dispensationalism?

are you still attributing the work of Jesus to satan and claiming God didn't fulfill His Promises to Israel?

or are you just hoping to morph and think no one will notice. i notice.

i read EVERYTHING.

here's my email

[email protected]

i'm still waiting for that apology.

i've got a few years left in me. i'll wait.
 

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Romans 9:8
They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.


Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

Many forms of Christianity, especially Conservative Protestants, consider this view to be heresy. Alternative Christian views are that the Law of Moses has been superseded or abrogated. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 1967, "The Law of the Gospel "fulfills," refines, surpasses, and leads the Old Law to its perfection."

Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח‎ Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach) form the major part of the Noachide Laws, or Noahide Code.[1] This code is a set of moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God[2] as a binding set of laws for the "children of Noah" – that is, all of humankind.[3][4]

According to religious Judaism, any non-Jew who adheres to these laws is regarded as a righteous gentile, and is assured of a place in the World to Come (Olam Haba), the final reward of the righteous.[5][6] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.[citation needed]

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[7]

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law

Noachide Laws comprise the six laws which were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden, according to the Talmud's interpretation of Gen 2:16,[8] and a seventh one, which was added after the Flood of Noah. According to rabbinic Judaism, the 613 mitzvot or "commandments" given in the written Torah, as well as their reasonings in the oral Torah, were issued to the Jews only, and are therefore binding only upon them, having inherited the obligation from their ancestors

Noahide laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.

All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click



The "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity."
Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism Today, 1966, pp.44-45


"The church and Israel are two distinct groups with whom God has a divine plan...These considerations all arise from a literal method of interpretation."
J. Dwight Pentecost, Things To Come, Zondervan, 1965, p. 193


CONSPIRACY

not hidden.
not a theory.
right out in the open.

complete rejection of the Biblical Gospel and Truth
total rejection of the Work of Christ.


injected into "christianity"
right out in the open.
 
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yawn?

hey EG...is Daniel 9 fulfilled?

are you still teaching Dispensationalism?

are you still attributing the work of Jesus to satan and claiming God didn't fulfill His Promises to Israel?

or are you just hoping to morph and think no one will notice. i notice.

i read EVERYTHING.

here's my email

[email protected]

i'm still waiting for that apology.

i've got a few years left in me. i'll wait.
waiting for an apology?

You bear false witness against me and you want me to apologize?

seems like your the one who needs to apologize.. for bearing false witness against my belief..