Israel still god's people?

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And what kind of Jew was Paul?
You figure it out.

Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Or do you think he was a Gentile?
 
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Hoffco

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I belief both are wrong killing is always wrong. If it is Hamas or Israël both wrong!

Now , you talk sensible; killing is always wrong. BUT self defense is right. I seek to have Love to all. BUT, I would be dead or crippled today if I had not had my 18" knife to draw on 2 men who said they would kill me. I did not have to draw blood , the backed off. Love to all who love God, Just for the rest. Hoffco
 
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jahsoul

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You figure it out.

Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Or do you think he was a Gentile?
Let's see:
Paul was a Benjamite, so he wasn't a Jew through Judah
Paul was born in Tarsus, so he wasn't Judean by region of Judea

That would only leave Paul being a religious Jew.


With that being said, Paul was Benjamite by blood (Romans 11), Roman through nationality (Acts 22) , and (before conversion) Jew by religion (Acts 23).
 
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Hoffco

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Let's see:
Paul was a Benjamite, so he wasn't a Jew through Judah
Paul was born in Tarsus, so he wasn't Judean by region of Judea

That would only leave Paul being a religious Jew.


With that being said, Paul was Benjamite by blood (Romans 11), Roman through nationality (Acts 22) , and (before conversion) Jew by religion (Acts 23).
to jahsoul, Paul was still a Jew by religion after His conversion to Jesus. Jesus said to the woman at Jacob's well, "salvation is of the Jews". Love to all, Hoffco
 
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jahsoul

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to jahsoul, Paul was still a Jew by religion after His conversion to Jesus. Jesus said to the woman at Jacob's well, "salvation is of the Jews". Love to all, Hoffco
So he was both a religious Jew and Christian after conversion?
 

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Let's see:
Paul was a Benjamite, so he wasn't a Jew through Judah
Paul was born in Tarsus, so he wasn't Judean by region of Judea

That would only leave Paul being a religious Jew.


With that being said, Paul was Benjamite by blood (Romans 11), Roman through nationality (Acts 22) , and (before conversion) Jew by religion (Acts 23).
JEW BY NATURE...
Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,


 
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Linda70

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Obama is a Muslim? nonsense. read the newspaper.
Sorry, but I disagree. President Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. I do read the newspapers and I have also heard what Obama says with his own lips. He admits he's a Muslim in this video:

[video=youtube;tCAffMSWSzY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY[/video]

He might be a "bad" Muslim, eats pork, etc.....but he is a Muslim, nonetheless. He is also no friend of Israel....that fact is also in the newspapers.
 
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Im asking this because I cant believe that people who
go to war and kill innocent people, can still be god's people.
What is happening in Gaza is not humane.
And innocent people are paying the price.
You've never been in the military have you? And I almost positive you never watch FoxNews.com, which has been presenting the news from an Israeli perspective. Instead you have have been watching some liberalist New Station, haven't you?

And how many missiles fired at the USA or Puerto Rico do you think we would tolerate, before we declared WAR? Hamas fired over three thousand at Israel. Collateral damage is a fact in every War. Then some dummy thought we should negotiate a cease fire, and Hamas used it to launch a sneak attack one hour later. You see, most Americans do not know that radical Islamic teaching says you are a hero to Allah if you can deceive your enemy into lowering their guard so you can kill more of them.

Israel is fighting a Self-Defense War, and self defense was taught by Jesus:

Luke 22:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

Second Amendment Rights are Biblical! And the sword was the weapon of choice for personal defense two thousand years ago, as a firearm is today.

Romans 13:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers {Governments} are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

Deuteronomy 23:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "When the army goes out against your enemies, then keep yourself from every wicked thing.

Proverbs 20:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.

Revelation 19:19-21 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat upon the horse, and against his army. {The Second Coming of Christ.}
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:
[SUP]21[/SUP] and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, even the sword which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
 
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Sorry, but I disagree. President Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. I do read the newspapers and I have also heard what Obama says with his own lips. He admits he's a Muslim in this video:

[video=youtube;tCAffMSWSzY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY[/video]

He might be a "bad" Muslim, eats pork, etc.....but he is a Muslim, nonetheless. He is also no friend of Israel....that fact is also in the newspapers.
here are two links you should probably read:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.607754

wherever you got that dishonestly edited video, it wasn't from the "news"
 
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Linda70

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what was said in the viseo that was not true?
There was a "disclaimer" posted at the very beginning of the video. If you didn't see it, then watch the beginning of the video again. It is obvious that the video was edited, but in order to find out the truth, you need to find the "original" source of each "clip". I've seen some of the "original" sources, but not all. I am convinced, (not just from watching this video) but from the words and actions from Barack Obama himself, that he is a Muslim and actually believes that Islam is a religion of peace...as did George W. Bush believe that Islam is a religion of peace.

Obama has not been a friend to Israel in spite of what some of the news media says.

THE JEW-HATING OBAMA ADMINISTRATION | Israel News | Bible Prophecies | Proclaiming Messiah | Jewish Awareness Ministries
 
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Ukorin

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God does the choosing not us. Show me where God said it was OK to reject Israel because they are disobedient.

I think it wise not to be part of the persecution of Israel. They are in God's hands and God will bring them to the point at which they will be ready to see their Messiah. Until then demonstrate God's goodness toward them and allow God to minister as He sees fit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am not rejecting Israel because of disobedience, the nation rejected Christ, and their Kingdom is postponed until His Return.
Unless Christ has returned, there is no physical Chosen People of God, only spiritual.
There is a plan for the bloodline, but there is no difference between unsaved Israelites and unsaved Gentiles in God's eyes.
There will not be any difference between any race until the next dispensation.

Where did you see persecution or negativity towards Jews in my post. I proposed neutrality, not negativity or persecution.
 
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Ukorin

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I find it disturbing that man gave land back to the Israelites before the appointed time.
I find it more disturbing that Christians have been led to believe that it is by God's active hand and pleasure that the land was given to them,
rather than the Truth, which is that God simply allows it exist to bring about His plan for the apostate church at the End.

They claim it is "of God", but have no Scripture to back it up, only Scripture showing that it is "of man".

Men have tried to imitate the prophecies, by irrigating the desert, creating the Iron Dome, extending the borders,
But it is all of man's work, imitating what the prophets told of the Millenium.

The deception is on.
 
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I find it disturbing that man gave land back to the Israelites before the appointed time.
I find it more disturbing that Christians have been led to believe that it is by God's active hand and pleasure that the land was given to them,
rather than the Truth, which is that God simply allows it exist to bring about His plan for the apostate church at the End.

They claim it is "of God", but have no Scripture to back it up, only Scripture showing that it is "of man".

Men have tried to imitate the prophecies, by irrigating the desert, creating the Iron Dome, extending the borders,
But it is all of man's work, imitating what the prophets told of the Millenium.

The deception is on.
And man did all this work for this tiny Country. Look at the work that was done to make Israel a state with out on shot being fired. Look at their food production and how they are blossoming in the presence of their enemies. Just as David said " he prepares me a table in the presence of mine enemies" in the 23rd Psalm. through every rocket blast Israel continues to flourish. They have some of the greatest engineers better than Germany and their agriculture skills surpass everyone. Just as the bible says the sower shall take over the harvester. That is happening now. Just as soon as the pick the harvest the are followed by the planters and grow food year around. You farmers know what I'm talking about.
 

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I find it disturbing that man gave land back to the Israelites before the appointed time.
I find it more disturbing that Christians have been led to believe that it is by God's active hand and pleasure that the land was given to them,
rather than the Truth, which is that God simply allows it exist to bring about His plan for the apostate church at the End.

They claim it is "of God", but have no Scripture to back it up, only Scripture showing that it is "of man".

Men have tried to imitate the prophecies, by irrigating the desert, creating the Iron Dome, extending the borders,
But it is all of man's work, imitating what the prophets told of the Millenium.

The deception is on.
You think the Jews coming from the four corners of the world back to the land, was man made? Should they go back so God can do it next time?

He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
(Isa 11:12)
 

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I find it VERY disturbing that antisemitism is GROWING once again.
 
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Kerry

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I find it VERY disturbing that antisemitism is GROWING once again.
It will continue to grow and it won't get better. The whole world will turn against Israel and there only choice will be to cry out to God and He will answer.
 
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Linda70

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And what kind of Jew was Paul?
So you are saying that what Paul wrote about himself, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in Philippians 3 isn't true? Wow! If he wasn't truthful about himself, then why believe ANYTHING he wrote in all the church epistles?

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Philippians 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Philippians 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philippians 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

So tell us jahsoul, do you believe that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God?

God used JEWS to pen His Word:

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Romans 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
 

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I find it VERY disturbing that antisemitism is GROWING once again.
throw in the true christians with Israel as a target for persecution.
 
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Ukorin

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I find it VERY disturbing that antisemitism is GROWING once again.
How does passive/neutral attitude become "antisemitic"? I am trying not to be offended, because I actually support several Holy Land missionary families, and 2 US based Jewish evangelism groups.

I did not say "Israel has no right to defend itself",
I am just saying that it is their business, not some "holy war" that we must aid.

Antisemitism would be saying that I have something against the people, which I don't.

I am saying that the rest have gone too far in their Zionism.
Unless you are an Amillenialist, then there is no doctrinal reason to be building physical nations for God in this dispensation.
Wrong focus! Bad stewardship. A huge distraction for most Christians.