Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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LoveBrokeThru

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Jesus coming for the "Bride", before the Grt Trib starts, isn't something to Fear.
Its something to welcome, and hope for... every day.
The born again should never fear meeting the Lord who died for them.
 

LoveBrokeThru

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Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification.
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If you are sinning and confessing all your life, and have been told this is "CHRISTianity", then someone lied to you, and you need to get away from them, their Local church, and their Cult.

The born again, are given power to live above the lifestyle of a unbeliever.

Believe it.

Paul said that "Christ always gives me the VICTORY"... = over sin, the flesh, and the devil.

"working out your Salvation", is how you learn how to live in that Victory, that comes not by trying to be good, but by learning to rest in the Grace of God that empowers your holy living.
 

DavidTree

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That's your opinion. You shouldn't make certainties off your opinion.
That's your opinion railing against the Word of the LORD as it is written.

John, turn your heart to the Lord Jesus = HE is the only One you are to trust = at His Word.
 

DavidTree

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You continue to hold and promote your confused and confusing ideas. Do you even know what the Second Coming entails?


His Second Coming is detailed for us in His Word and cannot be revoked or annulled by the lie of the Serpent = "pre-trib rapture".

Turn your heart to the Lord Jesus and stand by His Word, which you have not concerning His Second Coming.

You have never(and cannot) provide a single scripture that states the LORD comes before the Resurrection.
 

FreeGrace2

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Jesus coming for the "Bride", before the Grt Trib starts, isn't something to Fear.
Rather, it is something that doesn't occur in the Bible. If you disagree, please provide the most clear verse that describes Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

Its something to welcome, and hope for... every day.
The born again should never fear meeting the Lord who died for them.
I'm not aware that any believers are fearing meeting the Lord.
 

FreeGrace2

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If you are sinning and confessing all your life, and have been told this is "CHRISTianity", then someone lied to you, and you need to get away from them, their Local church, and their Cult.

Are believers not supposed to confess their sins?

The born again, are given power to live above the lifestyle of a unbeliever.
Yes. The Holy Spirit lives within us.

Paul said that "Christ always gives me the VICTORY"... = over sin, the flesh, and the devil.
Paul also commands believers to be filled with the Spirit in Eph 5:18.
Paul also commands believers to stop grieving the Spirit in Eph 4:30.
Paul also commands believers to stop quenching the Spirit in 1 Thess 5:19.

This is how Christ always gives victory. When sins have been confessed and the believer is filled with the Spirit, rather than grieving/quenching the Spirit.

Are you aware of these things? If so, can you explain how to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit?

"working out your Salvation", is how you learn how to live in that Victory, that comes not by trying to be good, but by learning to rest in the Grace of God that empowers your holy living.
Could you clarify what "resting in the Grace of God" looks like, please?
 

John146

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That's your opinion railing against the Word of the LORD as it is written.

John, turn your heart to the Lord Jesus = HE is the only One you are to trust = at His Word.
Soooo, I'm lost because I don't see Matthew 24 the way you do. Wow!
 

Nehemiah6

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You have never(and cannot) provide a single scripture that states the LORD comes before the Resurrection.
Stop ranting and deal with the actual Scriptures which reveal two things:

1. Christ comes from Heaven FOR His saints at the Resurrection/Rapture.

2. Christ comes from Heaven WITH His saints at the Second Coming.

These are two distinct and different events, and there are dozens of Scripture to support that.
 

Thewatchman

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The Scripture you posted guarantees that raptured Believers are transformed into His Gloroified Likeness AFTER the Resurrection at His Second Coming.
The Scripture you posted guarantees that raptured Believers are transformed into His Gloroified Likeness AFTER the Resurrection at His Second Coming.
What do you concider a raptured believer
 

FreeGrace2

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Stop ranting and deal with the actual Scriptures which reveal two things:

1. Christ comes from Heaven FOR His saints at the Resurrection/Rapture.

2. Christ comes from Heaven WITH His saints at the Second Coming.

These are two distinct and different events, and there are dozens of Scripture to support that.
Please share any verse that describes Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.

Thank you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Please share any verse that describes Jesus taking resurrected/raptured believers to heaven.
Where is the Lord Jesus Christ right now? In Heaven (Heb 1:3 and many other verses)
Where does He take His people in John 14:1-3? To heaven
Where does He return after the Resurrection/Rapture? To Heaven (1 Thess 4)
 

ewq1938

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Clouds are first heaven.

And the first heaven is not the 3rd heaven where people claim the rapture takes people. Again, no scripture says the raptured people go to heaven. The highest they go is to the clouds of the Earth.
 

ewq1938

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Where does He take His people in John 14:1-3? To heaven
No, he doesn't take anyone anywhere according to those verses:

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

He comes to the Earth and receives people unto himself. You have added things the verses do not say.


Where does He return after the Resurrection/Rapture? To Heaven (1 Thess 4)

There is a reason you don't present actual wording of the verses because they do not say what you claim they say.


There is NOTHING in 1 Thess 4 about Jesus taking people to heaven.


1Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
1Th 4:10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
1Th 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
The Coming of the Lord
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 

joecoten

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Some says that Jesus comes before the tribulation, some say after, some say somewhere in the middle, some say He's already come, some say He's not going to come. About the only thing that I see they have in common here is that they are all convinced that they are right! I figure that if He wants me to know, He'll tell me.
And since He hasn't, I've adopted the attitude that He'll get here when He gets here.
 

DavidTree

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Some says that Jesus comes before the tribulation, some say after, some say somewhere in the middle, some say He's already come, some say He's not going to come. About the only thing that I see they have in common here is that they are all convinced that they are right! I figure that if He wants me to know, He'll tell me.
And since He hasn't, I've adopted the attitude that He'll get here when He gets here.
i guess you never read the words of the LORD in Matthew chapter 24, as well as the Prophets and the Apostles who bear witness to the Truth on this specific subject.