Jesus didn’t die for us to be miserable
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Her words sound good to covetous ears "Jesus doesn't want you to be miserable." Thats why people flock to her because their ears are itching to hear how they can get more stuff, and how to justify getting more stuff and they get their ears scratched. This is what they think it means to "be right with God."
Scripture calls them covetous, and that this is also idolatry.
Oh no, they'll never believe that! Exactly. They're being deceived so of course not.
In this world we will have tribulation. Weep with those who weep. We through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God. We are granted belief and suffering. In all these things and even in lacking the true believer has joy.
No person in the NT church expected a trouble free walk and whatever material thing they desired. The heresy that teaches the opposite comes from rich self important psychologists posing as Gospel ministers. They usually write books about how much you can get from God because you deserve it.
Scripture calls them covetous, and that this is also idolatry.
Oh no, they'll never believe that! Exactly. They're being deceived so of course not.
In this world we will have tribulation. Weep with those who weep. We through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God. We are granted belief and suffering. In all these things and even in lacking the true believer has joy.
No person in the NT church expected a trouble free walk and whatever material thing they desired. The heresy that teaches the opposite comes from rich self important psychologists posing as Gospel ministers. They usually write books about how much you can get from God because you deserve it.
No, we don't HAVE to be miserable, but Jesus DID say that we would have trouble, face temptations, deal with rejection and with disappointments in this life.
We still find joy in Him though, because He has overcome the world. It's important to remember that joy and happiness are not the same thing.
We still find joy in Him though, because He has overcome the world. It's important to remember that joy and happiness are not the same thing.
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Sooo, to keep to first OP, the secret is to skip the Lord all together and focus elsewhere? (Gospel = annoying thing?)
I know you're going to say I twisted your words, but not really. Whenever you talk about "God," seriously, you skip God all together. The closest you get to talking about him is in a form of "he won't mind." Which, of course, since you skip what he does say, and does mind, is as close to God as you get.
I know you're going to say I twisted your words, but not really. Whenever you talk about "God," seriously, you skip God all together. The closest you get to talking about him is in a form of "he won't mind." Which, of course, since you skip what he does say, and does mind, is as close to God as you get.
Balance! There is a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
Jesus said in the world we would have tribulation but be of good cheer, "I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD!"
Sometimes in the flesh it's hard to focus properly but we have the joy of The Lord and the peace that passes understanding.
Yes life can really be hard and painful but.....
We could have had some joyful threads couldn't we?
Or maybe people do just want to be miserable?
Jesus said in the world we would have tribulation but be of good cheer, "I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD!"
Sometimes in the flesh it's hard to focus properly but we have the joy of The Lord and the peace that passes understanding.
Yes life can really be hard and painful but.....
We could have had some joyful threads couldn't we?
Or maybe people do just want to be miserable?
Balance! There is a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
Jesus said in the world we would have tribulation but be of good cheer, "I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD!"
Sometimes in the flesh it's hard to focus properly but we have the joy of The Lord and the peace that passes understanding.
Yes life can really be hard and painful but.....
We could have had some joyful threads couldn't we?
Or maybe people do just want to be miserable?
Jesus said in the world we would have tribulation but be of good cheer, "I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD!"
Sometimes in the flesh it's hard to focus properly but we have the joy of The Lord and the peace that passes understanding.
Yes life can really be hard and painful but.....
We could have had some joyful threads couldn't we?
Or maybe people do just want to be miserable?
We should enjoy the blessings that the Lord provides, but always be prepared to go through those hardships, trials and tribulations, while keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God, whether through persecution or even unto death.
The verse to an old song comes to mind...."intoxicated by the madness, im in love with my sadness."
Some people find comfort in misery and familiarity in depression. I used to be one of them. One of the hardest things for me to do when I was saved was to stop relying on rage and hate to survive and instead rely on God's peace and love. In today's information age where everyone is an expert on everything it is very easy to just constantly bash everyone and everything. Actually, I must amend that since we as humans have been like that for a long time (pharisees, jews complaining in desert, etc). I find the more I focus on God the less pessimistic I become.
Don't fall for the lie that we must be miserable, Jesus wants us peaceful, joyful and prosperous.
Some people find comfort in misery and familiarity in depression. I used to be one of them. One of the hardest things for me to do when I was saved was to stop relying on rage and hate to survive and instead rely on God's peace and love. In today's information age where everyone is an expert on everything it is very easy to just constantly bash everyone and everything. Actually, I must amend that since we as humans have been like that for a long time (pharisees, jews complaining in desert, etc). I find the more I focus on God the less pessimistic I become.
Don't fall for the lie that we must be miserable, Jesus wants us peaceful, joyful and prosperous.
You know, I am joyful every day! When I pray, read my Bible and think about God. God gives me joy.
But, the pain is unbearable. It makes me miserable. And hopeless! And the fact that I know it is only going to go downhill from here.
But God ministered to me a few weeks ago. He said, “You’re on your way home!” What a joy, to know that while I am to endure in this life, I have so much better to come. Whether in a day, a week, a year or in decades, I am on my way home!
And that better is not just being out of pain. It is better because I will be with Jesus, and see him face to face! And that gives me more joy than anything else. Meantime, I occupy till he comes, but I will not lie about the terrible pain. Denial is a lie!
As Christians, we need to be brutally honest with ourselves. If our misery is of our own doing, or a habit of being angry, hating life, well, some help might be needed. Prayer, doctors, life style change. I know God can always help that kind of miserable, he certainly helped me in that state.
But, in this life we will have tribulations. And I hate people that say believe, when they mean “deny what you are feeling” or change, when God has not led them to change. Or quote Isa. 53:5d at me. Sorry, I need that verse in the context of all of Isaiah. And then all the miserable people in the Bible. Jeremiah and Hosea come to mind. David and the saints in the NT who died, as someone posted earlier!
Or the modern saints who suffered depression, but did God’s work anyway. Like David Brainerd, and his work with natives, or Spurgeon with his depression, which actually enriched his understanding in ways we cannot begin to imagine.
God is good! And Jesus has won. But the fulfillment of that awaits the return of Jesus. I do hope that didn’t discourage anyone. But Joyce Meyers preaches heresy, as SG has pointed out. And WoF teachers teach heresy, and I will oppose them. Always remember God is good and he loves you. But sometimes, love means suffering.
”More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God’s love has been poured out to the Holy Spirit who has been given to us!” Romans 5:3-5
But, the pain is unbearable. It makes me miserable. And hopeless! And the fact that I know it is only going to go downhill from here.
But God ministered to me a few weeks ago. He said, “You’re on your way home!” What a joy, to know that while I am to endure in this life, I have so much better to come. Whether in a day, a week, a year or in decades, I am on my way home!
And that better is not just being out of pain. It is better because I will be with Jesus, and see him face to face! And that gives me more joy than anything else. Meantime, I occupy till he comes, but I will not lie about the terrible pain. Denial is a lie!
As Christians, we need to be brutally honest with ourselves. If our misery is of our own doing, or a habit of being angry, hating life, well, some help might be needed. Prayer, doctors, life style change. I know God can always help that kind of miserable, he certainly helped me in that state.
But, in this life we will have tribulations. And I hate people that say believe, when they mean “deny what you are feeling” or change, when God has not led them to change. Or quote Isa. 53:5d at me. Sorry, I need that verse in the context of all of Isaiah. And then all the miserable people in the Bible. Jeremiah and Hosea come to mind. David and the saints in the NT who died, as someone posted earlier!
Or the modern saints who suffered depression, but did God’s work anyway. Like David Brainerd, and his work with natives, or Spurgeon with his depression, which actually enriched his understanding in ways we cannot begin to imagine.
God is good! And Jesus has won. But the fulfillment of that awaits the return of Jesus. I do hope that didn’t discourage anyone. But Joyce Meyers preaches heresy, as SG has pointed out. And WoF teachers teach heresy, and I will oppose them. Always remember God is good and he loves you. But sometimes, love means suffering.
”More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God’s love has been poured out to the Holy Spirit who has been given to us!” Romans 5:3-5
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she has changed. just a few days I watched her, after not watching her for a long time, and she DENOUNCED WOF
but some people gotta dig up the bones as if they came out perfect
I'm outspoken enough when I believe the teaching is wrong or especially when supernatural experience is put before the word but she has changed and it would be real grown up to acknowledge that IMO
but some people gotta dig up the bones as if they came out perfect
I'm outspoken enough when I believe the teaching is wrong or especially when supernatural experience is put before the word but she has changed and it would be real grown up to acknowledge that IMO