Well your assumptions then or whatever you call them are in err. I have not suggested any one quit their medicine. Never said Hagin was my friend. It might be better if you ask before you assume anything about me. But hey I am a man I do make errors myself. Guess the small god theory don't work??????
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Well your assumptions then or whatever you call them are in err. I have not suggested any one quit their medicine. Never said Hagin was my friend. It might be better if you ask before you assume anything about me. But hey I am a man I do make errors myself. Guess the small god theory don't work??????
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A murderer doesn't inherit the Kingdom. 1 cor 6*Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a]*nor sodomites,*10*nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.*
"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh*by the blood*of Christ." -Ephesians 2:13"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but*by his own blood*he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." -Hebrews 9:12"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest*by the blood of Jesus." -Hebrews 10:19
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Being always the Son of God (Hebrews 13:8), Christ has always been subservient to God (John 5:19, 30; 6:57; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:27-28), as Jesus Himself said, "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). God does not change (Malachi 3:6).A husband is the*head*of the wife, as God the*Father*is the*head of Christ.
"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh*by the blood*of Christ." -Ephesians 2:13"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but*by his own blood*he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." -Hebrews 9:12"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest*by the blood of Jesus." -Hebrews 10:19
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Being always the Son of God (Hebrews 13:8), Christ has always been subservient to God (John 5:19, 30; 6:57; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:27-28), as Jesus Himself said, "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). God does not change (Malachi 3:6).A husband is the*head*of the wife, as God the*Father*is the*head of Christ.
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This approach is very live and let live. So being a christian has no boundaries and basically Jesus being the Lord and saviour no longer matter. In a true sense this is abandoning the faith, and just making belief a personal thing.
I am not surprised that people who follow this type of approach are happy if people say morality no longer matters, just do whatever comes to you.
I am not surprised that people who follow this type of approach are happy if people say morality no longer matters, just do whatever comes to you.
God heals everyone, eh? Sorry to burst your bubble, but no he does not. He chooses to let many of us suffer with disease, while completely healing others. Why? I haven't the slightest idea. But I do know that seizure meds keep my seizures under relatively good control, but I'm NOT healed of epilepsy. I've had it for over 40 years. I've had cancer, did God heal me from that? It's debatable, because a total hysterectomy took it away. I've had depression for more than 30 years, and yup, you guessed it, I still deal with it from time to time. I've had suicidal thoughts also for more than 30 years, and yes, I still occasionally get those thoughts also.
Does God use procedures, doctors, etc, to cure us? YES, but it's MAN-made healing, NOT DIVINE healing, IMO..
Does God use procedures, doctors, etc, to cure us? YES, but it's MAN-made healing, NOT DIVINE healing, IMO..
His view on suicide is still not heresy. We still all commit idolatry at certain times after salvation but we are not idolaters. There are things we make more important than God at times. All of us have hateful thoughts at times after salvation which constitutes murder according to Jesus. None of us will enter heaven in that case. I killed a friend while drunk and driving a car and that constitutes murder according to Old Covenant law. Guess I'm disqualified too. Sucks for me.
The blood of Christ is analogous to his death on the cross. MacArthur was stating that the blood of Christ has no inherent power of it's own, else his sacrifice was unnecessary. He could have just drawn blood and lived. But no, he had to die, therefore the blood is analogous to his death. That's all. Again, not heresy.
Christ is not subservient to God the Father ontologically. That's heresy. All three persons of the Godhead are co-equals as God. They each submit only in function to the other. Again, not heresy.
The blood of Christ is analogous to his death on the cross. MacArthur was stating that the blood of Christ has no inherent power of it's own, else his sacrifice was unnecessary. He could have just drawn blood and lived. But no, he had to die, therefore the blood is analogous to his death. That's all. Again, not heresy.
Christ is not subservient to God the Father ontologically. That's heresy. All three persons of the Godhead are co-equals as God. They each submit only in function to the other. Again, not heresy.
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But if you killed someone and repented it's done away. If someone who commits suicide is lucky they pray in time, if not they don't go to heaven.
I was sick of my life and thought hey I pray the sinner's prayer and then because I took the pills it's too late and He has to forgive me and I go to heaven. But I got dizzy and almost fell asleep so I had to pray and He said I couldn't take the rest and had to call for help, otherwise I was a hypocrit and wouldn't go to heaven. I know one guy though who was not a christian and did it. I had to pray for hours for someone that night. 2 years later I dreamed that he got saved. It's possible but don't tell someone oh you can do that, you go to heaven anyway.
I was sick of my life and thought hey I pray the sinner's prayer and then because I took the pills it's too late and He has to forgive me and I go to heaven. But I got dizzy and almost fell asleep so I had to pray and He said I couldn't take the rest and had to call for help, otherwise I was a hypocrit and wouldn't go to heaven. I know one guy though who was not a christian and did it. I had to pray for hours for someone that night. 2 years later I dreamed that he got saved. It's possible but don't tell someone oh you can do that, you go to heaven anyway.
IF everybody quit quoting their favorite superpreacher, there wouldn't be much said, would it?
Imagine christians believing jus' cuz' a person has money, property, a TV "ministry", & the like are "bigger" in the Kingdom than everybody else & automatically makes them worthy to be quoted..... such a double standard, claiming we're all the same to Jesus, & then "living" such heresy.....
Then there are those that make a false claim that another poster believes a false doctrine & proceeds to ride them for it for several pages. Such people are either fools or are simply doing what their handlers tell them. This thread should have ended pages ago.
Imagine christians believing jus' cuz' a person has money, property, a TV "ministry", & the like are "bigger" in the Kingdom than everybody else & automatically makes them worthy to be quoted..... such a double standard, claiming we're all the same to Jesus, & then "living" such heresy.....
Then there are those that make a false claim that another poster believes a false doctrine & proceeds to ride them for it for several pages. Such people are either fools or are simply doing what their handlers tell them. This thread should have ended pages ago.
Make no mistake. God doesn't need anyone. He is self-sufficient, self-sustaining, and he does all that we wills in his creation. Yes, he let that man wait because it was his will that he wait.
I think an allusion can be drawn from this passage:
Matthew 3:9
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
To think God needs someone to "help" him in some way is not only arrogant, but raises the status of the person "needed by God" to a level above God by making God subject unto them. God doesn't need anyone. It's by his sovereign grace that any one of us is even given another breath.
I think an allusion can be drawn from this passage:
Matthew 3:9
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
To think God needs someone to "help" him in some way is not only arrogant, but raises the status of the person "needed by God" to a level above God by making God subject unto them. God doesn't need anyone. It's by his sovereign grace that any one of us is even given another breath.