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Originally Posted by
zackabba
Well, for my benefit, could you post a rebuttle to every verse I've posted?
If I were going to do something for your benefit, I'd give you the truth.
I have the truth, Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour.
But you want Trinity, like you indicated about others in your previous post. You don't want to hear/know anything else.
So you just want to assume everything now?
You're 17,
Wow! How'd you know that? That's amazing!
and already an entrenched and bent on Trinitarianism at any cost.
"Bent on Trinitarianism?" I'm bent on defending the one true God, if that's what you mean.
Your interest is not picqued; your curiosity is not aroused; you're not really searching for anything beyond what you "know", just more OF what you "know".
...Am I supposed to fire back with a sentence as foolish as yours here?
Doesn't seem like you "leaving" Trinitarianism has done much for you, only made you angrier.
I could post 50 questions that proof-texting won't touch. Like...
Exactly how do the F-S-HS all dwell in us? Scripture says each is in us. If none are either of the others, how are all three in us?
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me." (John 15:4)
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And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions. " (Joel 2:28)
If you love me, you will obey what I command.</SPAN> And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—</SPAN> the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be
c in you.</SPAN> I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.</SPAN> Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.</SPAN> On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.</SPAN> Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”</SPAN> (John 14:15-21)
John 15:23 - Whoever hates me hates my Father also.
(John 17:20-26)“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,</SPAN> that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. </SPAN>I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:</SPAN> I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.</SPAN>
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.</SPAN>
“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.</SPAN> I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”</SPAN>
How is it that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father? Exactly.
Well, you're question is wrong from the start. BOTH Jesus and my Father send the Spirit to believers.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. (1 John 3:23-24)
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 4:8)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26)
How is it that Jesus proceeded forth and came from God? Exactly.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14)
What's the Logos (Word)? In detail. How did the Word become flesh? Exactly.
Look at John 1:1-18
And:
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12
I write to you, dear children,
because you know the Father.
I write to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God lives in you,
and you have overcome the evil one. (1 John 2:14)
No, I know you're trying, and thank you for that. And I am getting more information out of it, albet probably not going in the direction you would want it to go.
I'd be happy if you just backed off to a neutral position equivalent to your understanding and spent more time searching.
I would say the same for you.
After 28 years as a lost Trinitarian, I've spent the last 13 years praying, fasting, and studying to have a deep experiential revelation understanding of who God is.
Well, it's a good thing I found Jesus Christ! I have a light for my ways, the Word of God. I guess you didn't, since you say you were lost.
Do you hope to know more at 21... 25... 32... 40... and beyond? Do you really think you're at some pinnacle now?
None of us are at "some pinnacle now." EVERY bit of understanding that we have is NOTHING compared to God's understanding. I'll never reach a "pinnacle." And if you're being honest, you won't either.
Great is the LORD and most worthy of praise;
his greatness no one can fathom. (psalm 145:3)
And it is useful, and it's wrong for me to just toss off Scripture like Philippians 2:5-11.
What I'm saying, though, is that there are many other verses that prove His deity...so I don't really need to depend on those few verses. You know what I mean?
I know what you mean, but I also know the rebuttals for what you're sure of. You'll find out sooner or later.
Alright.
The Deity of Christ is one thing. "Proving" Trinity is quite another. It's too bad that you're not as open and teachable as you are tenacious.
Ugh, that's your viewpoint.
I'm just trying to show you the one true God, and yet you keep on attacking His deity.
He doesn't need us to prove anything for Him. He proves it Himself, by being Him.
Thank you for your time
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. (1 Corinthians 3:18-19)
I've lived by this for years, challenging every belief I've ever had. I've become foolish, trusting His Word and Wisdom.
I'm sorry, you've become foolish, trusting His Words and Wisdom? You couldn't have meant that.
Perhaps you could heed it as well...
I don't heed to man, I heed to God. I bow down before Him and submit myself to Him. We can't rely on our own understanding, only on Him, who is Truth.