Jesus's mom

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John146

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Was Joseph the father of Jesus? Most new versions say so. Compare Luke 2:33:

KJV: "And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him."

ESV: "And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him."

NASB: "And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him."

NIV: "The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him."

Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Jesus had only one Father and that was God. He was begotten by God not Joseph.
 
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John146 said:
Was Joseph the father of Jesus? Most new versions say so. Compare Luke 2:33:

KJV: "And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him."

ESV: "And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him."

NASB: "And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him."

NIV: "The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him."

Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Jesus had only one Father and that was God. He was begotten by God not Joseph.
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Semantics. It's quite obvious what they really mean. Joseph was Jesus' earthly father. Not in the biological sense, but in the sense that he raised Jesus with his wife Mary.
 
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Tintin said:
Semantics. It's quite obvious what they really mean. Joseph was Jesus' earthly father. Not in the biological sense, but in the sense that he raised Jesus with his wife Mary.
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Isn't it likely that Joseph adopted Jesus as his own son? Legally then, in such a case, Joseph would be called the father of Jesus. This works well with the Biblical narrative on a couple of levels because we are adopted into the family of God, and Joseph as well as Mary were descendants of David as per prophecy regarding Jesus.
 
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Tintin said:
Semantics. It's quite obvious what they really mean. Joseph was Jesus' earthly father. Not in the biological sense, but in the sense that he raised Jesus with his wife Mary.
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Tintin.. You seen Tennessee today?... Kinda worried bout her
 
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Txroads said:
Tintin.. You seen Tennessee today?... Kinda worried bout her
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Hi Txroads. Tennessee? Sorry, I only know of an American state by that name. Would you care to elaborate?
 
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She last posted seventeen hours ago.
 
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GenJesus said:
That last part was sort of, not nessessary. My mother and father weren't my question. There was no reason to talk like that. I never said a word about disrespecting Mary. But thanx for that.
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Let's says this, that most Catholics believes that she's the mother of God, but most likely has mistakenly had taken it out of context. Jesus had just told them that this is your mother, but not His. But at the time when the Catholic had came up with this theory, is when the KJV was in effect. Hardly no one could understood that old language about how the way that they phrases words. Like if a British person has comes to the States and if someone has broken into their home and left it in big mess; if they call the police to report it, and told them that the thieves has left his place in a bloody mess; believe me that they will send homicide to investigate a burglary.
 
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Well, semantics is very important when dealing with the Bible. Words are important, not just the intent. Jesus had but one Father.

Luke 2:48-49, "And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"

Jesus using gentle rebuke with His mother letting her know that Joseph was not His father.


Tintin said:
Semantics. It's quite obvious what they really mean. Joseph was Jesus' earthly father. Not in the biological sense, but in the sense that he raised Jesus with his wife Mary.
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Tintin said:
Hi Txroads. Tennessee? Sorry, I only know of an American state by that name. Would you care to elaborate?
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He means Elizabeth619. He calls her Tennessee. He's quite taken with her. :)
 
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John146 said:
Well, semantics is very important when dealing with the Bible. Words are important, not just the intent. Jesus had but one Father.

Luke 2:48-49, "And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"

Jesus using gentle rebuke with His mother letting her know that Joseph was not His father.
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Come on, mate. You KJV-Onlyists debate nothing of consequence. It's like you don't understand the archaic language you worship. Oh, wait...
 
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Standing up for the word of truth is always of consequence...but I get what you're saying. I should have just left this thread alone or stuck with the OP. Sorry about that brother.

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Come on, mate. You KJV-Onlyists debate nothing of consequence. It's like you don't understand the archaic language you worship. Oh, wait...
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Is the English Language any better then the Greek the Scriptures were written in? No.

People completely understood what God was saying in the Scriptures long ago. But not today. I believe this is because Satan has blinded so many people to the Truth in the Scriptures. Look at the Catholic Church today. At the beginning of the Catholic Church the Catholics believed Mary was born a sinner and died a sinner.

Look at the Catholic Church today, they have done a 180 and have turned around and rejected what God says in the Scriptures to proclaim today that Mary was born without sin and never died.

This is why people today cannot understand what God says in the Scriptures.
 
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The Holy Spirit.


MikeHenderson said:
Is the English Language any better then the Greek the Scriptures were written in? No.

People completely understood what God was saying in the Scriptures long ago. But not today. I believe this is because Satan has blinded so many people to the Truth in the Scriptures. Look at the Catholic Church today. At the beginning of the Catholic Church the Catholics believed Mary was born a sinner and died a sinner.

Look at the Catholic Church today, they have done a 180 and have turned around and rejected what God says in the Scriptures to proclaim today that Mary was born without sin and never died.

This is why people today cannot understand what God says in the Scriptures.
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I've asked my Catholic friend to further confirm that I truly should accept Mary as my "Mother of God". He can only confirm an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore see no reason to be Catholic.
 
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And I find it amazing; how my question; has lead to so many people in my thread, talking about so many other issues.
 
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Mary was chosen by God to bring into this world His son Jesus. That is all she did. There is no mother of God as God has no beginning and has no end.

The Catholic Doctrines about Mary is another gospel. A gospel of lies. A gospel used by Satan to lead the Catholics into the Lake of Fire.

We are not to follow Mary, we are not to pray to Mary.

We are to follow and obey God only.
 
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Can somebody explain why it is; I asked about any accountability issues if I don't accept Mary as my "Mother of God"; ... and people want to talk about so many other issues, not having to do with my question?
 
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GenJesus said:
Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
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Imho there is not an accountability issue here.
 
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GenJesus said:
Can somebody explain why it is; I asked about any accountability issues if I don't accept Mary as my "Mother of God"; ... and people want to talk about so many other issues, not having to do with my question?
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Because of the inconsistencies you demonstrated on this thread and then you wandered off into sexual stories. We can tell when someone is yanking us around. It may take a while, but lies are figured out eventually.
 
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