Jeus second Coming

journey41 · Feb 11, 2011

zone said:

I just answered you with scripture and lost the whole lot somehow. I cant do it again. I'm too frustrated right now!

I'll be brief
No, Gog is a him, Ezekiel 38, v2, also read 38:v8,10,11,14,16,22 and 39:1. You will see he is talking to someone specific who is leading the bands.

It's satans new name when he is released. His bands are Magog and are all the people gathered from the four quarters of the earth as mentioned in Revelations 20:8. It's not just one area.

mpaper345 · Feb 11, 2011

After the world takes the mark of the beast(Revelation 13:16-18),in which the world cannot repent of their sins,so no Gentile can be saved after they take the mark,and the beast makes war against the saints(Revelation 13:7,Daniel 8:24,Daniel 7:21,25),the saints will be resurrected to be with Jesus,where they will receive a glorified body like Jesus' glorified body,and have their works judged at the judgment seat of Christ.

The wrath of God will poured upon the world leading up to the battle of armageddon.The world under the rule of the beast will attack Jerusalem,the Jews,and Jesus will come back with His saints,and fight the world and put them down(Zechariah chapter 14),and God will leave one sixth of the world's army( Ezekiel 39:2),who will continue in the flesh,who Jesus and the saints will rule over the world for 1000 years(Revelation 20:4).

The one sixth of the world's army that fought against Jerusalem have no chance to be saved spiritually,but God spared them,and those will be the people Jesus and the saints rule over for 1000 years.
Since they have no chance to be saved spiritually for they fought against Israel with the beast,they will eventually be punished at the end of the millennial reign of Christ.
They have to go to Jerusalem every year to worship Jesus,and keep the feast of tabernacles,and if they do not their plague is they have no rain(Zechariah 14:16-19),for they need rain where they dwell for they will be in the flesh and need food to survive,which is plant life,for it will be like the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve did not eat animals,but only the plant life of the Garden.

The beast,the human body that Satan inhabited,and the false prophet will both go to the lake of fire prior to the millennial reign of Christ for deceiving the world,and Satan is bound with a chain and cast in to the bottomless pit.

Jesus and the saints will rule over the people in the flesh for 1000 years,and it could be that when Jesus spoke of the one that gained 10 pounds shall rule over 10 cities,and the one that gained 5 pounds shall rule over 5 cities(Luke 19:12-19),is a reference that our work for the Lord will determine how much territory we rule over in the millennial reign of Christ.

At the end of the millennial reign Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit and stir up those that are in the flesh,and they will go against Jesus and the saints and God will reign fire down from heaven and devour them,and the devil will go to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:7-10).

All the dead will be raised and go to the white throne judgment where they will be judged according to their works,and whosoever was not found in the book of life will be cast in to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:11-15).

Hell is in the lower parts of the earth(Psalm 63:9),and death and hell are cast in to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:14),in which the earth and the works therein are burned up,and the heavens will melt with fervent heat(2 Peter 3:10).

There will be a new heaven and a new earth,the New Jerusalem(Isaiah 65:17,Isaiah 66:22,John 14:1-4,2 Peter 3:13,Revelation 21:1-3),where the saints will dwell for all eternity with Jesus,where sin has never been and sin will never be there.

We will not have a choice anymore but only see the good things of God,for the angels that did not rebel and the saints that chose to love God,already made the choice beforehand,so it is not robotic love but true love,which will last forever,for faith and hope will not be needed in heaven,but charity will go on forever,and that is why charity is the greatest of the three.

ed · Feb 11, 2011

journey41 said:

Hi journey41,
Oh how tricky it is to answer questions contained from multiple posts. My first post said that no where in the bible does scripture say that the resurrected saints will rule with Jesus Christ on earth. That is the resurrected saints will be on earth (most probably) but Jesus Christ won't be. not yet. In answer you quoted Isaiah 2:2-4 ( from memory) But this secion of Isaiah tells of Jesus on earth after the Day of the Lord, that is after fire rained down from heaven and then Jesus comes and then the New Jerusalem comes. Jesus comes to earth after the fire rains down from heaven, which is at the END of the 1000 year reign. That is how I read it , but frankly I dislike the long posts of explanation. Just scripture please threaded with a few words.
love
edwin

journey41 · Feb 11, 2011

ed said:

Hi Ed, I'm too scared to answer you incase it gets too long! Yes Jesus has a resurrected body. Once you are spirit, you are always spirit, but can manifest in the flesh like the angels did when they spoke to Abraham (Gen 18:2)

Yes Christ and his saints rule here on earth. I''m not sure if Christ & the saints will be visible however, as the scriptures do not state, but they will be there in Gods Holy mountain/camp,/Israel./Zion/kingdom.. and will be like angels I guess, guiding, protecting, following Christ's instructions. ...Jesus, God and the angels are spirit. We cant see them because we are flesh now, so it will probably be the same?

I wont type out but will just give you scripture to look up and you can work it out.

Rev 16:19 - Israel divided into three parts during great earthquake
Zechariah 14:4 - Jesus lands on the Mount of Olives. This shows Israel divided into three parts. Draw it out on paper so you can picture it. V6 & 7 shows that Jesus coming in the evening (but we dont know the day or hour) sorry I'm getting excited!

Zechariah 14:9 - Lord king over all the earth
read 14:10,11 & v12 goes backwards now to the battle

o.k. cant help myself.
Zech 14:16 And it SHALL come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the KING, the LORD OF HOSTS, and to keep the feast of tabernacles
read to the end Ed, nations are on earth, not in heaven. I got more scripture if you want.

zone · Feb 12, 2011

ed said:

you know it's true. a Glorified resurrected Body.

ed said:

doesn't work, does it?
Jesus comes in Blazing Glory....sets up a Kingdom on earth - and people STILL REBEL? hardly.

all passages that deal with the Lord's Day say THAT'S THE LAST DAY - Judgement.

satan was 'bound' at the Cross to some extent, limiting his ability to completely hinder and paganize the nations (many of whom are being translated to the Lord's Kingdom every day since Calvary)

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

ed said:

no, it doesn't.
they're reigning with Christ NOW. the jews first (disicples/Apostles), and all who have died in Christ.

the 1,000 year number is a figurative number: an Hebraism. it means the same thing the earthly utopians mean : A GOLDEN AGE...THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM.

it applies to the time since Christ's ascension and i suppose St. Stephen would be the first martyr! (the jews know what this means)

for the saints in Heaven now who are with Christ, it's truly a Golden Age.

for we who are in the Kingdom also, but still here on earth, we are there ALREADY/NOT YET.

ed said:

i see that too.
so, even if one is killed for Christ's Sake 15 days before the Second Advent, they still reign from Heaven during the Gloden Age, just for a shorter time than Jesus or Paul, Peter, Nathaniel, John, Polycarp, William Tyndale, etc.

understanding the term thousand years as Judaic in origin demystifies the whole thing. we're in it now.
i suspect satan will be released shortly to deceive the world just prior to the Second Coming and Judgment....the signs are definitely here.

hopefully this isn't too much text for you to deal with ed.

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 12, 2011

hi all,

Since we'll be with Jesus during the 1000 year reign I don't really get all that excited about trying to figure out what will happen, as it seems like he'll be there to give us instructions.

However, I think it is extremely significant what happens before he comes back for his followers.

I am of the belief that followers of Jesus will face the great tribulation, and that Jesus returns for his followers 7 years after the agreement between the Jews and the AC to rebuild the physical temple in Jerusalem.

I've got lots of reasons for this but I'm pressed for time (and it's probably better to break it up into pieces anyway) so I'll just post two pieces of scripture for now which I feel gives a fairly clear picture of the time line

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 12, 2011

The quote starts with Jesus talking about "and then there shall be great tribulation".

Throughout the history of the world there has been tribulation, but there will be only one GREAT tribulation and Jesus clarifies this by saying the tribulation he is talking about here has never been, nor will ever again be seen by the world.

The he goes into a situation where people are talking about Jesus having secretly returned, when that is far from the truth. This sounds like a situation where people who believed he should have returned before the trouble starts panicking and trying to make up some reason for why he didn't come back like they expected him to. He specifically talks about coming like lightening in the sky. Not much secret to that!

Verse 28 is a very interesting verse, because Revelation 12 ALSO talks about an eagle providing for (what I believe to be the followers of Jesus) in the tribulation. He says "where the carcass is, there will the eagles BE gathered". That phrase "be gathered" is also interesting because it sounds like something that God organizes, as opposed to people themselves.

Then he gets to the most intersting part. Immediately after those days (i.e. the days of great tribulation) ...they will see him coming in the clouds of heaven...with the sound of a great trumpet...gather his people together.

Aside from Jesus making it very clear that he gathers his people together after the great tribulation, a very key word here is "trumpet", because the Revelation also talks about trumpets and it is generally agreed by just about all theologians that the 7 trumpets of the Revelation represent the time of great tribulation.

Now let's look at a quote from Paul...

I think you would be hard pressed to argue that Paul is NOT talking about the same situation and event that Jesus was also describing in Matthew 24. He ALSO talks about a trumpet, and in particular, he talks about the last trumpet.

In the Revelation, during the time of the last trumpet, a special angel comes down from Heaven and says "there shall be time no more". This is consistent with the idea of Jesus returning for his gathered people while the rest of the world is left spritually desolate on the earth below to face the last 7 bowls of gods wrath. It's like the angel is saying "time's up, there is no further opportunity for repentence before the wrath of God is meted out on a rebellious planet".

PS here is the part of the quote from matthew that was left off...

journey41 · Feb 13, 2011

mpaper345 said:

The wrath of God will poured upon the world leading up to the battle of armageddon.The world under the rule of the beast will attack Jerusalem,the Jews,and Jesus will come back with His saints,and fight the world and put them down(Zechariah chapter 14),and God will leave one sixth of the world's army( Ezekiel 39:2),who will continue in the flesh,who Jesus and the saints will rule over the world for 1000 years(Revelation 20:4).

Hi Mpaper. I like your style now of explaining things. It's more easy to follow. However, Can we please go over and take a closer look at the above & below highlighted text. Ezekiel 39 is talking to Gog (v1), and this is when Satan is let out of prison. This event is talking after the millenium. It does sound similar to the first attack because they come from the north again, but if you look closer, it says that the army is coming to attack and God turns them back except for a 6th part of the army. So only a 6th part of the army that Gog has mustered is attacking. This is the last battle. Ezek 39:8 says, Behold, it is come and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken."

God is giving Gog a place there of graves east of the dead sea (Valley of Hamon-gog) where it takes 7 years to bury the dead. Ezek 39:11-12
whereas,
The burial place of the dead prior to millenium is called the Valley of Hinnom and is located between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives. This is the place in Tohpet where the Israelites sacrificed their children Jer 7:31-32 This place is going to be called the Valley of Slaughter, and the dead from the first battle will be buried here.

The one sixth of the world's army that fought against Jerusalem have no chance to be saved spiritually,but God spared them,and those will be the people Jesus and the saints rule over for 1000 years.

The beast,the human body that Satan inhabited,and the false prophet will both go to the lake of fire prior to the millennial reign of Christ for deceiving the world,and Satan is bound with a chain and cast in to the bottomless pit.

I'm a bit confused here.....The beast is the 10kings that give power to the beast, (notice 10 crowns) and the false prophet that Satan gave his power to will be thrown into the lake of fire.

At the end of the millennial reign Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit and stir up those that are in the flesh,and they will go against Jesus and the saints and God will reign fire down from heaven and devour them,and the devil will go to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:7-10). Yes.

All the dead will be raised and go to the white throne judgment where they will be judged according to their works,and whosoever was not found in the book of life will be cast in to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:11-15). Yes

Hell is in the lower parts of the earth(Psalm 63:9),and death and hell are cast in to the lake of fire(Revelation 20:14),in which the earth and the works therein are burned up,and the heavens will melt with fervent heat(2 Peter 3:10). Yes, death and hell destroyed. Everything evil and defiled destroyed.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth,the New Jerusalem(Isaiah 65:17,Isaiah 66:22,John 14:1-4,2 Peter 3:13,Revelation 21:1-3),where the saints will dwell for all eternity with Jesus,where sin has never been and sin will never be there. Yes, Jesus hands his kingdom back to God and God will dwell with us, for all will be changed to spirit.

We will not have a choice anymore but only see the good things of God,for the angels that did not rebel and the saints that chose to love God,already made the choice beforehand,so it is not robotic love but true love,which will last forever,for faith and hope will not be needed in heaven,but charity will go on forever,and that is why charity is the greatest of the three. Amen!

mpaper345 · Feb 13, 2011

Some people believe that Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 refer to a battle at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,but it is not so.

The battle at the end of the millennial reign God reigns fire down upon them,and that is it.

Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39.

1.Ezekiel - It talks of attack against Israel.

At the end of the millennial reign it talks of attack against saints.

2.Ezekiel - It talks of weapons being used.

There will be peace for 1000 years so there is no weapons being made to use against anybody,and the Bible says that battle will be when the millennial reign has ended,and how can the people make weapons of that magnitude in that short time to arm everybody to go against the saints.

3.Ezekiel - The slain will be given to the beasts and birds as a sacrifice for them to eat their flesh and drink their blood.

At the end of the millennial reign God will rain fire on them and devour them,and that is it,no sacrifice for beasts and birds.Revelation chapter 19 describes Jesus coming back and defeating the world,and the people given to the beasts and birds to feast on,and chapter 20 talks of the millennial reign of Christ,so the millennial reign of Christ is after the sacrifice for the beasts and birds.

4.Ezekiel - God pleads with them and gives them different plagues.

At the end of the millennial reign of Christ God rains fire on them,and that is it.

5.Ezekiel - Talks of it happening in the latter days.

The latter days is a reference to end time prior to the millennial reign of Christ.

6.Ezekiel - Talks of Israel being gathered out of many people,brought back from the sword,gathered out of many nations,and having cattle and goods.

This cannot apply at the end of the millennial reign for there is a thousand years of peace and the Jews are not scattered anywhere to be brought out of nations,or brought back from the sword,and nobody will have cattle for the animals are all peaceful with animals and people,and nobody will be eating meat.

7.Ezekiel - It says they will come to take a prey and spoil them.

There is nothing to take a prey or spoil for the earth will not have a materialistic and monetary system,because Jesus is ruling,so it will be like the Garden of Eden,physical needs only for those in flesh.

8.Ezekiel - God said He has spoken in the jealousy and fire of His wrath,and Israel shall be shaken,and the earth,and beasts,and fishes,and birds,and all men on the earth,and all insects,shall shake at His presence,and the mountains shall be thrown down,and the steep places shall fall,and every wall shall fall to the ground.God said when they attack Israel His fury will come up in His face.

At the end of the millennial reign of Christ God will not display this level of anger,but will devour them with fire,and that is it.At the battle of armageddon prior to the millennial reign God had to put up with 6000 years of mankind not acting right,when they had a chance to be saved,and hurting one another,and rebelling against Him when He put the truth out there,and nations bothering Israel for years,so when the battle of armageddon happens God is furious because of their behavior for many years.

The people that Jesus and the saints ruled over were spared from the nations that fought against Israel at the battle of armageddon,and there is a thousand years of peace,and they have to go up to Jerusalem every year to worship Jesus,and keep the feast of tabernacles,and when Satan is released from the bottomless pit,he will deceive them quickly for they have no defense against him like people before the mark of the beast,and since these people went against Israel at the battle of armageddon prior to the millennial reign,their punishment is postponed until the end of the millennial reign,so when they attack the saints,God's anger level is not as high and He does not give them plagues,but rains fire down on them,and that is it.

9.Ezekiel - God said He will magnify Himself,and sanctify Himself,and be known in the sight of many nations,and they shall know He is the LORD.

There is 1000 years of peace in which the Bible says that there shall be one LORD and His name one,so the people know the LORD,and when it says God will magnify Himself,and sanctify Himself,and be known among the nations,it indicates God not getting rid of them but ruling over them,and at the end of the millennial reign God gets rid of all of them.

10.Ezekiel - God said He will leave but the sixth of them.

If this means God will spare one sixth of their army,it says at the end of the millennial reign God rains fire on all of them,and devours them,for the millennial reign is over.
If this means God will cause only one sixth of their army to attack,the Bible says they come from all 4 corners of the earth to fight,all the earth,and God gets rid of all of them.

11.Ezekiel - God said He will make His holy name known in the midst of Israel,and God will not let them pollute His holy name anymore.

There is a thousand years of peace in which Jesus is ruling out of Jerusalem,in which God's holy name is known to Israel,and they are worshipping Jesus and not polluting God's holy name,so at the battle at the end of the millennial reign how can the Jews start knowing God's holy name then,and not polluting it,when they have been right with God for 1000 years.

12.Ezekiel - They will be burning weapons for 7 years after the battle.

There will be 1000 years of peace and nobody will make weapons to use against anybody,and can they make weapons at the end of the millennial reign to supply the whole world with weapons of that magnitude to go against the saints,that there are so many weapons that they burn them for 7 years,and why burn them for 7 years if the millennial reign is over,and God will burn up the earth and the works thereof Himself.

13.Ezekiel - The people will say they will attack Israel that are at rest,and dwell safely,and God said when My people Israel dwell safely shall you not know it.

In Jeremiah chapter 30 it speaks of the time of Jacob's trouble,which is the tribulation,but they will be saved out of it,and then mentions that when Jacob returns from being scattered in to the nations,that they will be in rest,and be quiet,and none shall make them afraid,which the Bible says the woman is protected for three and one half years,and when the beast appears He will make war against those who keep the commandments of God,and the testimony of Jesus,but the woman is protected from the beast for three and one half years.

14.Ezekiel - It says they shall spoil those that spoiled them,and rob those that robbed them.

There is 1000 years of peace so there is no spoiling and robbing of the saints,for the saints to spoil and rob the people,and how can they spoil and rob the saints,when Jesus is ruling the world.

And here is the conclusion of the matter,after God wins that battle,which shows that all of these things in Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 can only happen prior to the millennial reign of Christ,and does support a battle prior to the millennial reign and not at the end of the millennial reign.

21And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

At the battle at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,God does not set His glory among the heathen,which indicates ruling over them,and the heathen shall not see His judgment that He executed,and His hand that He laid upon them,which indicates the ones left to see His winning the battle spared from the battle,for God rains fire on them,and devours them,and it is the end of the millennial reign,so Jesus is not ruling anymore,and the ones that went against the saints are gone.

22So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

At the battle at the end of the millennial reign is not when Israel will then know God from that day forward,for they have known God in the truth for Jesus is ruling,for 1000 years,and without the Jews in the truth,there would be no millennial reign.

23And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

The heathen are not going to know this at the end of the millennial reign,for they will know this when the millennial reign starts,and there is 1000 years of peace where Israel is right with God with no iniquity.

25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

This cannot happen at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,for the Jews are gathered back to their homeland prior to the millennial reign of Christ,and during the millennial reign the Jews are not scattered to be gathered back,and God was on their side for the 1000 years,and their was no shame to bear,and they did not trespass against the LORD.

27When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

This is talking prior to the millennial reign of Christ,so how can Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 be talking of a battle at the end of the millennial reign,when it supports a battle prior to the millennial reign,and talks of things prior to the millennial reign of Christ.

Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 is a battle prior to the millennial reign of Israel that is only against Israel,the Jews,where the battle at the end of the millennial reign of Christ is a battle against the saints,which is both Jew and Gentile.

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 13, 2011

well, whatever the case may be for the living, we know that when you die it's automatic second coming of Jesus, right?

Whether you believe in pre or post trib rapture, the pre trib version certainly has a positive side in getting people prepared to meet Jesus at any time.

Unfortunately, from what I have seen, this usually isn't the case. It's more like a "get out of jail free" card which leads people to believe that they DON'T need to prepare for any kind of suffering on behalf of their faith.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

In Rev 13 there is mention of the mark of the beast. The description says that witout this mark people will not be able to buy or sell, but if they take the mark they will be cursed by God.

Obviously this presents a conundrum for believers. How will they survive if they are not able to buy and sell?

I believe the answer is in the gospels (i.e. the revealing of Christ). Particularly, in Matthew 6:24-34 Jesus talks about living by faith.

He says that we cannot work for God and money without cheating on one or the others.

He says that IF we seek first God's kingdom then he will provide all the things we need.

He says to consider the birds of the air and the flowers of the field, specifically because they do not work for money, and yet God takes care of them.

He says that all the world runs after these things, but that we should not be like them.

Some inspiring stuff that directly relates to the revelatoin, and yet, it is not totally limited to the revelation. It is teaching to his followers for any day and period of time. Work for God not money.

Zossima · Feb 13, 2011

There are two Greek words in the NT which are typically translated as "coming", elthe and parousia. The one most people are refering to in talking about the "second coming" is parousia. It should be noted that the NT never speaks of a "second" parousia. Why? Because there can only be one parousia (better translated as "presence"): "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" and "lo, I am with you even unto the end of the age". The New Testament does speak of His "second appearing" in the book of Hebrews. Read Matthew 24 and 25 again but where the text says "coming" insert instead the word "presence". If you do, you will see that what so many assume is refering to a future rapture is actually talking about the present time: in Colossians 1 Paul writes that we "have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of His dear Son". Oops, but everyone is saying the kingdom is yet future! We can't be translated into a kingdom which does not yet exist. If you would like to hear more on alll this, let me know.

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 14, 2011

Hey Zossima,

I hope you don't think I'm a bit dumb but I generally find it very difficult to understand when people start bringing out greek words about this and that and usually it seems like it indicates a bit of mental gymnastics more than a genuine desire to sort out confusion.

For example, you talk about inserting the word "presence" instead of "coming" in matthew 24 and 25, presumably because the wrong word was used in what is already printed there? Is that what you mean? Like the translators made a mistake and used "elthe" instead of "parousia"?

If that is the case, have you had any luck in getting them to change it back to the correct word for future printing?

Personally, I think you may be viewing this a bit too black and white. The kingdom of Heaven is a spiritual Kingdom and the followers of Jesus practice the values of that Kingdom every day. In as much as we practice those values, we ARE the kingdom of Heaven here on Earth. I'm pretty sure that is what Paul is getting at in the verse you mentioned.

Perhaps there is some confusion over the word "translated". What do you think it means?

journey41 · Feb 14, 2011

mpaper345 said:

Some people believe that Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 refer to a battle at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,but it is not so.

Please look at Ezek 38:2 - God is talking to GOG. .... Now go back to Rev 20:7 - It says "When the 1000 years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison"
now, the very next verse in Rev 20:8
"And shall go out to DECIEVE the NATIONS which are in the FOUR QUARTERS of the earth, GOG & Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

You are obviously interpreting Ezekiel 38 & 39 as being before the millenium. Can you please clarify this. Can you also explain Rev 20:7, and Rev 20:8

Many thanks
Journey

DanuckInUSA · Feb 14, 2011

Revelation is inconsequential really. Are we managing today so well that we have all the time to be worrying about the end?

journey41 · Feb 14, 2011

DanuckInUSA said:

This is a bible discussion forum. We enjoy and have the right to discuss anything written in the bible, regardless of what book. It shouldn't offend anyone and shouldn't be discouraged.

If anyone of us do not have the time to worry about information contained in the bible that sheds light and truth then we might as well throw the towel in, go back to sleep and put the veil back over our eyes!

The word is still alive!

Scotth1960 · Feb 14, 2011

Finsu said:

Nowdays in youtube,facebook everywhere people are discussing about Jesus second coming.Recently I saw in youtube Jesus is coming on May 21,2011.some people saying Jesus will come to 2012.Bible says no one knows his time.What you think about this.Are you agree with me?Jesus will come soon but not in may 21 or 2012.only heavenly father knows.whatever the bible said about last days it is happening.lets get ready coz we don't know when is the time.each day we have to prepare our life to meet Jesus......Thanks for reading.God bless you

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Dear Finsu, Are you from INDIA? Just wondering! As for the second coming of Jesus Christ, YOU ARE CORRECT. NO MAN KNOWS the day nor the hour, so SETTING DATES FOR THE END OF TIME IS FORBIDDEN BY JESUS CHRIST. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

cows_chewing_grass · Feb 15, 2011

Hey dan

I found your comment quite interesting, though I would change it just slightly to something like,

"Revelation is inconsequential really. Unless we have sorted out our priorities with regard to following the teachings of Jesus, discussion about "The revelation of Jesus" won't mean much in terms of how we live our lives in practical everyday matters.

lol

Anyway, the reason I suggest this teensy alteration to what you have shared is based on something I just posted in the "internet evangelism" thread.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

In other words, without the teachings of Jesus, prophecy really means very little. But what are the teachings of Jesus? I've posted below a compilation of 40 commands of Jesus (although there are something like 120 spread through the gospels).

Imagine what it would be like to actually DO what our saviour is telling us to do in these commands. I believe the revelation would take on a whole new dimension for anyone willing to do so.

1. Obey my commandments - John 14:15 , John 14:21 , John 14:23 ; 2 John 6

2. Love God and others - John 15:12 , Matthew 22:37-40

3. Go and preach to all the world - Mark 16:15 , Matthew 28:19

4. Don't delay, do it now - John 4:35 , John 9:4 , John 12:35

5. Take nothing for your journey - Luke 9:3 , Luke 10:4

6. Don't work for food - John 6:27 , Matthew 6:24-33 , Luke 12:29

7. Work for me & my kingdom - Matthew 11:28-30 , Luke 12:31

8. Sell all that you own - Luke 11:41 , Luke 12:33 , Luke 18:22

9. Don't store things that you're not using - Matthew 6:19

10. Don't charge for what you do - Matthew 10:8

11. Give to God what belongs to God - Luke 20:25 , Matthew 22:21

12. Don't waste time on argumentative people - Matthew 7:6

13. Invite the poor to eat with you - Luke 14:12-14

14. Give to anyone who asks - Luke 6:30 , Mark 6:37

15. If you pray, fast, or give, do it secretly - Matthew 6:1-11

16. Don't use vain repetitions when praying - Matthew 6:7

17. Don't advertise healings - Matthew 9:30 , Matthew 12:16

18. Take the lowest position in meetings - Luke 14:8-10

19. Don't be called Father, Mister, etc. - Matthew 23:9-10

20. Beware of hypocrisy and greed - Luke 12:1 , 15

21. Take up your cross and follow me - Mark 8:34

22. Live in me, and live in my love - John 15:4 , 9

23. Eat whatever people give you - Luke 10:7

24. Rejoice when you are persecuted - Luke 6:23

25. Move to another city if persecuted - Matthew 10:23

26. Love, bless, and pray for your enemies - Luke 6:27-29

27. Do to others as you'd have them do to you - Luke 6:31

28. Be agreeable with your adversaries - Luke 12:58 , Matthew 5:25

29. Forgive others - Mark 11:25-26 , Matthew 6:12 , Luke 6:37

30. Cut off your hand if it offends you - Mark 9:43

31. Don't be afraid of people - Luke 12:4-5

32. Let the dead bury the dead - Matthew 8:22

33. Rebuke a brother if he sins - Luke 17:3 , Matthew 18:15-17

34. When you judge, do it fairly - John 7:24

35. You must be born again- John 3:3 , Luke 18:17 , Mark 10:15

36. Don't make promises for any reason - Matthew 5:34-37

37. Don't sell things in God's house - John 2:16

38. Don't forbid others to preach Christ - Luke 9:50

39. Teach all nations to obey these rules - Matthew 28:20

40. When you have done all these things, say, "We have only done that which was our duty to do." - Luke 17:10

IrisHouse · Mar 3, 2011

dont worry about it. those two dates arent true

PBUH · Mar 5, 2011

DanuckInUSA said:

Amen to that

wakeup · Mar 5, 2011

Finsu said:

YOU MUST READ JESUS LIPS CAREFULLY.
HE SAYS,''
FOR THE==DAY== AND THE==HOUR.KNOWETH NO MAN.

THANK YOU.
WAKEUP.

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