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The Bible several times says that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved...then you can quote that one verse of Paul that states that "have no doubt that all jews will be saved for the promise is not revoked"...but still this seems to be speaking of those of the Jews that are spiritually Jews and not just physical descent/or even those who become Jews by conversion...

Galatians 3: 7-14
Know then that it is those of faith who are sons of Abraham. And the scripture foreseeing that God would justify the gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For ALL who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written "Cursed be anyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." NOw it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone hanged on a tree"--so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

This scripture fairly blatantly states that Christians are both Jew and Gentiles and that are of the faith. And either Jews or Gentiles that are not of the faith are NOT children of Abraham.

The question you have to ask as I have written in this thread before is, if the Jews (who reject Christ and also are not Spiritually Jews on the inside)are still God's chosen people, then is it possible to know God without knowing his Son? See, it is only through Jesus Christ that anyone has fellowship with God...so if the Jews know God apart from the Lord Jesus, who is their intercessor? Or more poignantly, Jesus states that any who deny him deny the one who sent him, and states everywhere that Jesus is the only way...so the Jews cannot have another way...

God bless as I still am puzzled about this
May the Lord reveal himself to the Jews in Jesus Christ
tony
it seems as though paul misquoted because the Law NEVER said that someone that tries to keep the Law is cursed, its the complete opposite in fact. If you read teh verse he quoted it actually says that people that DONT keep Law are cursed , not poeple that try to but fail in one aspect .
 
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teh hebrews were not black . i will prove this quickly .
1. LACK of evidence for black skin
if you go online adn search the "research" that proponents have made, its always strangely ignorant . for example. They use the verse in Rev
"His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire.And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." .
they use this verse to say that Jesus had "wooly" hair . as in "nappy" hair . This is ludicrous and never mention that the bible actually says "WHITE like wool" obviously referring to color of hair and not "texture" . unless he had "snowy" textured hair too . Also a KKK clansman can use this same vese to say Jesus was white since his "head" was also white (besides his hair) . tehy also ignorantly say that his feet must have been black becuase it was the color of burned brass. I guess they dont know what refined brass looks like and ironically, the more it burns the brighter it gets as opposed to darker.

they also misuse a verse in the Song of Solomon. they say solomon said he was black . watch how ignorant this claim is. its hilarious actually.
here is teh verse they ALWAYS quote
""I am black but lovely, O daughters of Jerusalem, Like the tents of Kedar, Like the curtains of Solomon."
ok, first of all "liek teh curtains of solomon" should be the first clue that this isnt solomon himself talking . but if that isnt lets read teh whole thing
"1 The most beautiful song of Solomon. 2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth. Your expressions of love are better than wine,
3 better than the fragrance of cologne. (Cologne should be named after you.) No wonder the young women love you!
4 Take me with you. Let's run away. The king has brought me into his private rooms. We will celebrate and rejoice with you. We will praise your expressions of love more than wine. How right it is that the young women love you!
5 Young women of Jerusalem, I am dark and lovely like Kedar's tents, like Solomon's curtains.
6 Stop staring at me because I am so dark. The sun has tanned me. My brothers were angry with me. They made me the caretaker of the vineyards. I have not even taken care of my own vineyard."


ok, now you can clearly see that its a woman talking. unless they want to argue taht solomon was a black homosexual man since the person in this story is talking about wishin a man to kiss him amongst other things. Also, notice how teh girl (who isnt jewish by the way) explains that she is dark as a result of being burned by teh sun (black peoepel are black by birth, they are not dark for being sun burned). Not only that, but she mentions the contempt she has recieved for being dark . Why woudl she say "dont stare at me for being dark" or "i am dark adn my brothers hated me" if EVERYONE was dark. would a nigerian tell other nigerians "dont stare at me for being dark" ? lol


2. evidence AGAINST "black hebrews"



""Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil." . Ok, Jeremiah talks about teh ethiopians skin. Why would he mention teh skin of an ethiopian as refference , if he had the same skin ?


3. Jewish explanation for dark skin


in the Talmud, it is written that black peopel were made black as a punishment for what Ham did to noah (im not saying that it true, im just saying what is written in teh Talmud) Noah had 3 sons . Teh hebrews came from teh son named "Shem" and black peopel came from a son named "Ham". Why would JEws write that black peopel were black as a punishment , if THEY themselves were black ? because they werent. that should be all the proof necessary . teh fact that jews thought black peoepl were black as a punishment
"The Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 108b states "Our Rabbis taught: Three copulated in the ark, and they were all punished — the dog, the raven, and Ham. The dog was doomed to be tied, the raven expectorates [his seed into his mate's mouth], and Ham was smitten in his skin.""


4. look at other hebrews and other Semetics (decendants of shem)



if hebrews were black then the arabs would have to be black aswell since they are fraternal twins (see jacob / esau) . Also, the babylonians, sumerians would also have to be black since they share ancestry through shem . Abraham came from Sumer (which is presnt day iraq) which later became Babylon. Afro-humans never lived in the land that is present day Iraq .



5. the "khazar" theory


only ashnekazim have "khazar" ancestry and only about 9 -11 percent of them have any at all . ALso teh sephardic jews have no khazar history , and they are not black either . (see facts)
DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A 1999 study by Hammer et al, published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[46] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[47]
A 2001 study by Nebel et al found Eu 19 chromosomes, which are very frequent in Eastern Europeans (54%-60%) at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews with Eu 19, and to a greater extent Eastern European populations in general, might be descendants of Khazars.[48]
A 2005 study by Nebel et al, based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.
 
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Given that the Hebrews lived , worked and inter married with Egyptians for 400 years and the Egyptians of the time were black, that's where any black ancestry comes from. Not to mention the region of Ethiopia where Hebrew descendants came from.
 
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Given that the Hebrews lived , worked and inter married with Egyptians for 400 years and the Egyptians of the time were black, that's where any black ancestry comes from. Not to mention the region of Ethiopia where Hebrew descendants came from.
The hebrews are renown for their LACK of intermingling / If they intermingled, there would be no division between the hebrews and egyptians as there clearly was . the egyptians and hebrews recognized each other . Also , the egyptians are not black. teh nubians were black . here is a pic of teh pharaoh in teh moses story
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/31/38631-004-380422F5.jpg
 
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Of course there were "black" Israelites.

Yosef had two sons while in Egypt, with an Egyptian wife. Their names were Efrayim and M'nasheh. These two were adopted by the man Israel as his own sons, rounding out the number of patriarchs to the 12 we know today.

As to the race of Messiah Himself, well He was a Jew living in the middle east... surely nobody thinks those pictures of blue eyed Jesus are accurate.. ? He would most likely be of olive complexion. Ultimately it doesn't matter, though, since G-d tried to head these meaningless debates off in advance by instructing us on several things we are not to attempt TO make images of (exo 20).
 
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The so called Jews that are in power in Israel right now are more Esau and not Jacob. They are as worldly and pagan as any other believers. God did make a covenant with them that he will not break and in these last days, he will graft them back into the olive tree. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
 
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