Judaic writings about Jesus are filthy lies.

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ComeLordJesus

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"Jesus...stood up a brick to symbolize an idol and bowed to it. Jesus performed magic and incited the people of Israel and led them astray.

Sanhedrin 107B of the Babylonian Talmud, volume 21, translated by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, published by Random House, New York.
 
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Don't listen to the kenite, Cains decedents, there father [satan] was a lier and the father of lies. God bless
 

Joidevivre

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There have always been lies about Jesus. This is just one of a million(s). There is no point to this. Those who know the Word of God know the truth, and they will never be deceived.

Instead we should be proclaiming the truth more. One scripture written down here is worth hundreds of postings like this.
 

Miri

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Not really sure what there is to discuss. Should this be is the conspiracy
forum.
 

Shamah

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Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."


Mat 23:
23, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah: right-ruling, mercy and faith. These need to have been done, without neglecting the others.”
27, Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you are like whitewashed tombs which outwardly indeed look well, but inside are filled with dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
28, So you too outwardly indeed appear righteous to men, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness."




Matthew 23:1-39, “1, Then יהושע spoke to the crowds and to His taught ones, 2, The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do 4, For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them. 5, “And they do all their works to be seen by men, and they make their t’fillenb wide and lengthen the tzitzitc of their garments, 6, "and they love the best place at feasts, and the best seats in the congregations, 7, "and the greetings in the market-places, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi (Master).’ 8, "“But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi,’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers. 9, "“And do not call anyone on earth your father, for One is your Father, He who is in the heavens. 10, "“Neither be called leaders, for One is your Leader, the Messiah. 11, "“But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12, "“And whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. 13, "“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you shut up the reign of the heavens before men, for you do not go in, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you eat up widows’ houses, and for a show make long prayers. Because of this you shall receive greater judgment. 15, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you go about the land and the sea to win one convert, and when he is won, you make him a son of GĕHinnom twofold more than yourselves. 16, "“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the Dwelling Place, it does not matter, but whoever swears by the gold of the Dwelling Place, is bound by oath.’ 17, "“Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the Dwelling Place that sets the gold apart? 18, "“And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it does not matter, but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, is bound by oath.’ 19, "“Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sets the gift apart? 20, "“He, then, who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all that is upon it. 21, "“And he who swears by the Dwelling Place, swears by it and by Him who is dwelling in it. 22, "“And he who swears by the heaven, swears by the throne of YHWH and by Him who is sitting upon it. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion and the belief.d These need to have been done, without neglecting the others. 24, "“Blind guides – straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! 25, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are filled with plunder and unrighteousness. 26, "“Blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and dish, so that the outside of them becomes clean too. 27, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you are like whitewashed tombs which outwardly indeed look well, but inside are filled with dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28, "“So you too outwardly indeed appear righteous to men, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30, "and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in the blood of the prophets.’ 31, "“Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who did murder the prophets 32, "and you fill up the measure of your fathers! 33, "“Serpents, brood of adders! How would you escape the judgment of GĕHinnom? 34, "“Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture.f Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, 35, "so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the slaughter-place. 36, "“Truly, I say to you, all this shall come upon this generation. 37, "“Yerushalayim, Yerushalayim, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her! How often I wished to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you would not! 38, "“See! Your house is left to you laid waste, 39, "for I say to you, from now on you shall by no means see Me, until you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’ ” (Psa 118:26)

John 4:23-26, “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth. The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Christ. When that One comes, He shall tell us all things.” יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you is He.”


Mat 7:24-27, “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them, shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall.”


1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”


John 13:35, “By this shall all know that you are My taught ones, if you have love for one another.”


John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."



John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."



Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”

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tanakh

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Why bring this up at all? Its not as if the Talmud were compulsory reading
 

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Is it not simply the same ongoing problem of the last
almost 2,000 years?

The Jews denied their Messiah, the promised one, by
Moses and the prophets ...
and they still do so today.
Blaspheming Jesus through their rabbis and in the Talmud,
and yes through Jewish comedy and culture.

It is why Jerusalem must again go through war and destruction
so that finally at the very end these stiff-necked and rebellious
descendants of Abraham get to call on the name of the Lord.
Finally they will bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is
their God the Messiah.
 

Studyman

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Why bring this up at all? Its not as if the Talmud were compulsory reading
I think it is an important topic as many on this forum still follow their lies over the Word of God.

It is commonly taught that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" their Salvation, or "please" God by following His Laws. This falsehood leads to the Mainstream Christian teaching that God's Commandments are a burden on mankind and Jesus had to come, be tortured and killed, to "FREE" us from these Laws. It leads to the lie that Jesus "triumphed over God" in Col. 2. and nailed his Laws to the Cross. It leads to the lie commonly told that the Apostles taught against God's Laws in Acts 15 and called them a "Yoke and a burden" that neither they, not their fathers could bear.

The lie that the Pharisees were following God's Laws and not their own laws, as Jesus said, is an insidious lie that has deceived "MANY" into preaching falsehoods about God/Jesus and His Word.

I wish everyone on this forum would forget the teachings of the "many" religious franchises that make up Christianity, and simply study this one topic for a week. Then when you find out you have been fed falsehoods for centuries, just like those who were being taught by the Pharisees, you will understand this quote from Jesus.

Mat. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

There is only one group of people on the planet that "comes in Christ's Name", who preach that Jesus is truly the Messiah.

And it isn't the Jews.
 

ComeLordJesus

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I think it is an important topic as many on this forum still follow their lies over the Word of God.

It is commonly taught that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" their Salvation, or "please" God by following His Laws. This falsehood leads to the Mainstream Christian teaching that God's Commandments are a burden on mankind and Jesus had to come, be tortured and killed, to "FREE" us from these Laws. It leads to the lie that Jesus "triumphed over God" in Col. 2. and nailed his Laws to the Cross. It leads to the lie commonly told that the Apostles taught against God's Laws in Acts 15 and called them a "Yoke and a burden" that neither they, not their fathers could bear.

The lie that the Pharisees were following God's Laws and not their own laws, as Jesus said, is an insidious lie that has deceived "MANY" into preaching falsehoods about God/Jesus and His Word.

I wish everyone on this forum would forget the teachings of the "many" religious franchises that make up Christianity, and simply study this one topic for a week. Then when you find out you have been fed falsehoods for centuries, just like those who were being taught by the Pharisees, you will understand this quote from Jesus.

Mat. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

There is only one group of people on the planet that "comes in Christ's Name", who preach that Jesus is truly the Messiah.

And it isn't the Jews.
Thanks for your reply Studyman. I have a book by Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones called "The Chronology of the Old Testament," and he shows how the Jews have bald face lied. According to Mr. Jones the Jews found them self in a bit of a pickle since the "Seventy Weeks of Years" in Daniel 9:25 fits Jesus Christ perfectly. I don't know if he conspired with others or it was his own doing but a Rabbi Yose ben Halafta came up with the Sedar Olam Rabbah or "The Book of the Order of the World."

When confronted with this present day Jewish scholars admit that there is something enigmatic about the Sedar Olam's dating.

" It should have been possible that our Sages - for some unknown reason - had 'covered up' a certain historic period and purposely eliminated and suppressed all records and other material pertaining thereto. If so, what might have been their compelling reason for so unusual a procedure? Nothing short of a Divine command could have prompted ... those saintly "men of truth' to leave out completely from our annals a period of 165 years and to correct all data and historic tables in such a fashion that the subsequent chronological gap could escape being noticed by countless generations, known to a few initiates only who were duty-bound to keep the secret. Simon Schwab.

Simon Schwab, "Comparative Jewish Chronology," Dr. Joseph Breuer Jubilee Volume, (New York: Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch Publications Society, Philipp Felheim Inc., 1962), p. 188)

This is an astonishing proposal! Schwab, along with other Jewish commentators, further suggests that the reason God directed the sages of the 2nd century AD to become involved in falsifying the data was to confuse anyone who might try to use the prophecies of Daniel to predict the time of the Messiah's coming.

It's too long for me to explain how they manipulated information from the Ptolomaic period, but rabbis in the century immediately following Jesus Christ had a tremendous problem with so direct a prophecy as Daniel 9. This chapter speaks of Messiah's being cut off (slain) 69 "weeks" (i.e., 69 sevens) or 483 years after the going forth of a commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem. This 583 BC prophecy (Dan. 9:1) unmistakably points to Jesus Christ and His crucifixion.

Such must either be acknowledged and His person accepted or completely erased from Jewish consciousness. The latter could be accomplished if the 69 (or 70) weeks of years could somehow be made to apply to the century after the life of Christ. Then it would be possible for the rabbis to point to another messiah who, as circumstances would have it, was cut off in death some 100 years after the crucifixion of our Lord.

The ninth day of the month Ab (c. mid-July) is a great day of sorrow to Israel. On this day in 586 BC, the Babylonians destroyed Solomon's Temple. Further, the second Temple was laid waste by the Romans under Titus on the same day in AD 70. And on this very day in AD 135, at the conclusion of a 3 1/2 year revolt, the Romans crushed the army of the "messianic" Simon Bar Kokhba (also spelled "Cocheba).

Bar Kokhba had been declared the long-awaited Messiah by the foremost Jewish scholar of that day, the highly venerated Rabbi Akiva (Akiba) ben Joseph. In 130 AD, Emperor Hadrian of Rome declared his intention to raise a shrine to Jupiter on the site of the Temple, and in 131 he issued a decree forbidding circumcision as well as public instruction in the Jewish Law. Having preached peace all his life, the 90 year old Akiva gave his blessing to the revolution by proclaiming that Bar Kokhba was the "star out of Jacob: and the "scepter of Israel" (Num. 24:17) (Encyclopedia Judaic, op. cit., vol.2, Akiva," p. 489.

By removing the 164 (0r 165) years from the duration of the Persian Empire, Rabbi Halafta was able to make the 483-year Daniel 9 prophecy fall reasonably close to the years prior to the AD 132 revolt during which Bat Kokhba rose toprominence as Israel's military and economic leader. (Encyclopedia Judaica, op. cit., vol. 4. "Bar Kokhba," p. 230).

Then with Akiba proclaiming, "This is the King Messiah" followed by all contemporary sages who regarded him as the King Messiah, the Jewish populace united around this false hope.

Blatant lies. As Mr. Jones says Repent oh Israel!
 

Shamah

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the talmud even pronounces a curse on any who would number the days of Daiels prophecy, if one numbers those days they would know the Messiah came as the Lamb already... Thus we would know who the Messiah is, they, trying to hide the real Messiah are evil it is clear.
 

ComeLordJesus

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the talmud even pronounces a curse on any who would number the days of Daiels prophecy, if one numbers those days they would know the Messiah came as the Lamb already... Thus we would know who the Messiah is, they, trying to hide the real Messiah are evil it is clear.
There was supposedly an old rabbi in Israel that some said he claimed Jesus was the Messiah and others say that it's a lie and the note is a forgery.

The Rabbi, the Note and the Messiah - Israel Today | Israel News
 

MarcR

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Don't listen to the kenite, Cains decedents, there father [satan] was a lier and the father of lies. God bless
The Kenites are a Bedouin tribe, descended from Ishmael, who have always befriended Israel, and worshiped the God Israel; perhaps more faithfully than Israel has done. They have no connection whatsoever with Cain.
 

Studyman

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the talmud even pronounces a curse on any who would number the days of Daiels prophecy, if one numbers those days they would know the Messiah came as the Lamb already... Thus we would know who the Messiah is, they, trying to hide the real Messiah are evil it is clear.
This knowledge is a special blessing for me as I have avoided for over 20 years, any history or any sermons or books, other than the Bible, fearing the deception that had befallen "many" that I knew. I learned by the Grace of God about the Pharisees that their wickedness even though many preached and still preach the falsehood that they were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Commands. I am humbled and grateful for this work you both have done which has increased my Faith as no matter how you slice it, either by the Word of God, or the history of man, these Pharisees were NOT following God's Commands and this was the reason for their downfall.

Thank you Shamah and CLJ.

God bless you both for your efforts:)
 

garee

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There have always been lies about Jesus. This is just one of a million(s). There is no point to this. Those who know the Word of God know the truth, and they will never be deceived.

Instead we should be proclaiming the truth more. One scripture written down here is worth hundreds of postings like this.
Amen. Reminded me of a verse found in John. If every time the Holy Spirit of Christ would expose the lie revealing the harm of the oral traditions of men as a law of the fathers if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Big library


This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


 

ComeLordJesus

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This knowledge is a special blessing for me as I have avoided for over 20 years, any history or any sermons or books, other than the Bible, fearing the deception that had befallen "many" that I knew. I learned by the Grace of God about the Pharisees that their wickedness even though many preached and still preach the falsehood that they were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Commands. I am humbled and grateful for this work you both have done which has increased my Faith as no matter how you slice it, either by the Word of God, or the history of man, these Pharisees were NOT following God's Commands and this was the reason for their downfall.

Thank you Shamah and CLJ.

God bless you both for your efforts:)
In his book "Judaism's Strange God's" Michael Hoffman says:

"the rabbis drafted a powerful counternarrative that was meant to shake the foundations of the Christian message for, according to them, Jesus was not born from a virgin, as his followers claim, but out of wedlock, the son of a whore and her lover; therefore, he could not be the messiah of Davidic descent, let alone the Son of God." (Schafer, Jesus in the Talmud, Princeton University Press, 2007, pp. 8-10.

By the twenty-first century, long-standing denials by Talmudists and Zionists and their gentile apologists concerning Jesus in the Talmud were slowly being discredited after having held sway over Christians for decades. Judaism's new story line, as of this writing, is to pretend there never were any significant denials and that, of course negative portrayals of Christ are in the Talmud and the rabbis have never denied it. They just "obscured" it "a little"."
 

Shamah

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In his book "Judaism's Strange God's" Michael Hoffman says:

"the rabbis drafted a powerful counternarrative that was meant to shake the foundations of the Christian message for, according to them, Jesus was not born from a virgin, as his followers claim, but out of wedlock, the son of a whore and her lover; therefore, he could not be the messiah of Davidic descent, let alone the Son of God." (Schafer, Jesus in the Talmud, Princeton University Press, 2007, pp. 8-10.

By the twenty-first century, long-standing denials by Talmudists and Zionists and their gentile apologists concerning Jesus in the Talmud were slowly being discredited after having held sway over Christians for decades. Judaism's new story line, as of this writing, is to pretend there never were any significant denials and that, of course negative portrayals of Christ are in the Talmud and the rabbis have never denied it. They just "obscured" it "a little"."
I have Michael Hoffman’s books: “Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded” and “Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit”



Some quotes from Michael Hoffman’s book: “Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded”


"Most of the laws of the religion of Judaism have no Biblical
warrant; they contradict and nullify the word of God.
Where the sufficiency of Scripture is denied, the fallacies and
imaginings of man come to the fore. The Talmud is one of the
largest collections of such fancies and human error; sometimes
intriguing and colorful, titillating the senses with the
phantasmagoria of the Aggadah, but more often sordid,
blasphemous and asinine, in spite of the intellectual prestige
accorded its rabbinic authors."


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]


"The religion of Judaism as it has been known since it was concocted
after the crucifixion of Christ is what is called "Orthodox" Judaism
today.The early Church recognized Christianity as having been founded by
Israelites and representing the only true religion of the Bible. It is
Christians who are "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy
nation..." (I Peter 2:9). Judaism was not viewed as the repository of the spiritual truths or
knowledge of the Old Testament, but as a post-Biblical, Babylonian cult
totally at variance with Biblical Christianity."






"A common rabbinic defense against criticism of the more
blatantly horrible passages in the Talmud, is the allegation that the
Talmud is merely a record of debates (mahloket) between tanna'im
and amora'm8 and that by seizing on one portion of the controversy
and upholding that passage as authoritative, the critic errs, for no
Talmudic sanction is given to either side of the debate in Talmud.
This is disingenuous, since the Mishnah and key Talmudic
amplifications of it, comprise dogmatic Jewish law (halakhah) by
which every believing orthodox Jewish person is enslaved down to
the most minute and intimate particulars of his or her daily life.
How Talmudic law is deduced and adjudicated is often a mystery
to the non-Judaic mentality, but that it constitutes halakhah is
undeniable.The key point here is that the appearance of Talmudic
indeterminacy does not preclude law-making by majority
rabbinical consensus, which is the process by which Talmudic law
is formed, both in terms of the decision on what constituted the
oral law of the elders as presented in the Mishnah (halakhah
lemosheh misinai), as well as the subsequent Mitzuot derabanan
(rabbinical commandments) found in the Gemara, arising from the
deductive process known as Midot shehatorah nidreshet bahen."




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”[/FONT]




"The American system of jurisprudence has degenerated from
courts that ruled according to God's law, to courts that make the
law through judicial interpretation and case law (precedent). The
latter is entirely Talmudic and reflects the subversion of our
nation: "The growth of Talmudic Law, in all its aspects, was for the
most part, the work of judicial interpretation rather than of
formal legislation... The judge served in effect as aP. 14 Judaism's Strange Gods
creator of law and not only as its interpreter..."9
To better investigate the root of the confusion about Judaism, let
us now examine a classic statement of modern Protestantism's
view of Judaism, as presented by conservative Presbyterian
theologian Douglas Jones: "...consider the case of Abraham, that ancient father of Judaism
and Christianity...One of the best ways of beginning to think about
the nature of Christianity is to think of it in the light of Judaism.
"Today, we so often think of Judaism and Christianity as two
distinct religions, almost like Buddhism and Islam. But early
Christianity never saw itself in that way. The earliest Christians
saw themselves as faithful Jews simply following Jewish teachings.
In fact, the first main dispute in the Christian church was whether
non-Jews, the Gentiles, could even be a part of Christianity!
"Christianity self-consciously saw itself as the continuing
outgrowth, the fulfillment, of true Judaism. As such, Christianity
didn't start in the first century but long before with King David,
Moses, Abraham, and ultimately the first man, Adam. Everything
in older Judaism was building up and pointing to the work of Jesus
Christ. Over and over, the early disciples explained that Christ was
the fulfillment of the ancient promises of Judaism.
"...So when we start thinking about Christianity, we have to
understand its very Jewish roots. We should assume that Christianity
ought to look and sound like Judaism except when it explicitly
claims to change something. We should expect that the Scriptures,
institutions, basic principles, laws, meditations, family life, etc. of
Judaism would carry over into Christianity, unless Christ, the final
prophet, authoritatively changed a practice....Christianity's
Jewishness is pervasive indeed."


Do you have his book “The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome” and if so do you recommend it?
 

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Some quotes from Michael Hoffman’s book: “Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded”

"Papal Treason Symbolizes General Apostasy
Journalist Robert K. Dahl says that Pope John Paul II's
acquiescence to Judaism "has the appearance of treason, regardless
of intent."194 Indeed, in 1999, when John Paul II made the
unprecedented decree that "the seeds infected with anti-Judaism"
must "never again take root..." he was forbidding opposition to the
religion of the Pharisees and proscribing the basis of the mission
of Jesus Christ. 195
Given the vast repository of documents, manuscripts, learned
treatises and privileged correspondence pertaining to Judaism
dating almost to the foundation of Christendom which are on
deposit in the Vatican archives,196 John Paul II cannot be speaking
from ignorance when he claims, as he did in the synagogue of
Rome, April 13, 1986 that "Jews are our elder brothers in the
faith."197
Since adherents of the religion of Judaism do not have faith in
either Jesus or the Old Testament law and prophets, but in the
Talmudic and Kabbalistic traditions, exactly what faith is it that
John Paul II shares with these "elder brothers" of his?
When this pope claimed that opposition to the religion of Judaism
was opposition to the Old Testament, that the religion of Judaism is
"a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant" and that the
"Eucharistic prayers" of Christian worship are "according to the
models of Jewish
 

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There is some dodgy stuff in the Talmud. These are the traditions of men. There is a history of Jewish Mysticism that is much less well known than the Bible. Remember The Talmud is Babylonian in origin. (Though there is a Jerusalem Talmud too) It can be useful for some study but it can't be considered a spiritual authority along with The Biblical texts.
 

Shamah

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There is some dodgy stuff in the Talmud. These are the traditions of men. There is a history of Jewish Mysticism that is much less well known than the Bible. Remember The Talmud is Babylonian in origin. (Though there is a Jerusalem Talmud too) It can be useful for some study but it can't be considered a spiritual authority along with The Biblical texts.
70 men rejected YHWH's servant Mosheh after the exodus and chose the way of Babylonian/Egyptian/Jewish mysticisim which is called kabbala rather than submit to YHWH and His laws, these formed the basis for most of this religion to this day.

It is rather troubling even more so when many these days fall porey to this teaching understhe guise of new age religion and even new age "chrisitanity". Nothing to be played with by any means.
 
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The Kenites are a Bedouin tribe, descended from Ishmael, who have always befriended Israel, and worshiped the God Israel; perhaps more faithfully than Israel has done. They have no connection whatsoever with Cain.
The word kenite means first child Cain. God bless