Jude 1.7 - "Strange Flesh" reference

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Alertandawake

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I been thinking on this lately, having a look at the greek word "heteros", G2087, which can also mean other or different.

Now looking at modern society today, and the technologies we have, specifically "Artificial Intelligence (AI)". Not sure if people have been following or keeping up to date with such technologies, but what is very alarming and concerning is sex robots that have realistic genitalia.

I have come across articles where some are having robots as partners. I recall reading about a man in china that married a robot. And even more, there are sex robots in some brothels (as far as I know, this is in Europe, based on articles I have read).

From a rational point of view, has the level of society deteriorated so much, that men have become so afraid to approach women they are now going to the direction of having to choose a sex robot? I know especially in a number of countries where it has reached a level, that men are afraid to approach women for fear of false accusations (western countries worse for this).

Call it conspiracy or something else, but I cannot help but wonder if all this we are seeing today has been planned out in such a way, to take perversion to a new level. Make a system where men are so afraid to approach women, businesses cater to men's needs and create sex robots for such men. Big money making opportunity here.

I have also wondered about the "Iron and Clay" reference in Daniel 2.43 as well.

Very troubling and scary where this modern society is headed. So if people don't support the idea of men marrying robots, are they going to be labelled as being racist? discriminate? robophobe? So today we have a modern society, where a number of people are intelligent, but at the same time they are either still wearing nappies or wet behind the ears.
 

Budman

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As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun. Having relations with a "robot" or other object, is simply masturbation.

Man will always find ways to take common sins, and make them extraordinary.
 
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when you say it's about men being so afraid to approach women, it makes it seem like men are the victim and they have to resort to being with robots.
The way I see it is, some men or (women I guess)
Could be so weak they let their sexual desire lead them anywhere and some people who have questionable morals will produce anything to make money.
what's next people are gonna have a right to have sex with their pet cause it's to hard to ask a woman out
 

Alertandawake

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when you say it's about men being so afraid to approach women, it makes it seem like men are the victim and they have to resort to being with robots.
I am only aware at this stage that some men are choosing robot sex partners. Have not come across anything the other way around. However with the rate of deterioration of society in general, one has to consider it be a matter of time before it applies to both genders.

On a technological scale, I think AI is the biggest dangers to mankind.
 

MattforJesus

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I been thinking on this lately, having a look at the greek word "heteros", G2087, which can also mean other or different.

Now looking at modern society today, and the technologies we have, specifically "Artificial Intelligence (AI)". Not sure if people have been following or keeping up to date with such technologies, but what is very alarming and concerning is sex robots that have realistic genitalia.

I have come across articles where some are having robots as partners. I recall reading about a man in china that married a robot. And even more, there are sex robots in some brothels (as far as I know, this is in Europe, based on articles I have read).

From a rational point of view, has the level of society deteriorated so much, that men have become so afraid to approach women they are now going to the direction of having to choose a sex robot? I know especially in a number of countries where it has reached a level, that men are afraid to approach women for fear of false accusations (western countries worse for this).

Call it conspiracy or something else, but I cannot help but wonder if all this we are seeing today has been planned out in such a way, to take perversion to a new level. Make a system where men are so afraid to approach women, businesses cater to men's needs and create sex robots for such men. Big money making opportunity here.

I have also wondered about the "Iron and Clay" reference in Daniel 2.43 as well.

Very troubling and scary where this modern society is headed. So if people don't support the idea of men marrying robots, are they going to be labelled as being racist? discriminate? robophobe? So today we have a modern society, where a number of people are intelligent, but at the same time they are either still wearing nappies or wet behind the ears.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The answer to the strange flesh is right there in the scripture where you got the word strange flesh,which is homosexuality,and it is not talking about today but back at the time of Sodom and Gomorrah in which they did not have robots back then.

They were given over to fornication,and homosexuality,to a terrible degree,and the animals probably were not safe,and they were so terrible that the city surrounded Lot's house,and said to Lot,bring out those men so we may know them,which they wanted to have sex with them,which is also testified by Lot bringing out his daughters and said,have sex with them instead but leave these two men alone for they are my guests.

And here is the reason why people can read a passage of scripture and read it in a way that does not apply,because there is a certain belief that they have and they see it that way,and it is usually a belief they are really interested in knowing,and wanting to believe.

People may have sex with robots,but the strange flesh is people lusting for the same sex,and was speaking of Sodom and Gomorrah,although they are an example to us not to live that way for they were punished.

Speaking of people that believe robots will be something of the future and a big part of humanity,and their AI above that of people,it is not true.

The beliefs of the people in the future will be so arrogant,and self exalting,that robots will be beneath them,and their AI,and they will be like kids toys to them,and this is why.

God warns us of the new age movement interpretation of the Bible,based on spiritual evolution through nature,for they believe people can still evolve to be greater.

Add to that the belief that mind creates reality more than the world of sense.

Add to that they believe Lucifer is the helper of this world that brought the principle of animal-mind to humans,and will help then to evolve further when the nations come together as one.

Add to that the Akashic record where those in theosophy believe are "indestructible tablets of the astral light" recording both the past and future of human thought and action,animal and all things,and every individual has one,and every thing is available to know on a psychic level,and a person can access their own Akashic record.

And the New Age Christ will be a man understanding dark sentences in which they believe he will share the power of nature with them,and they can evolve to be greater.

And the new age movement is the future for this sinful world,which the time will come the Bible will only want to hear religion according to the new age movement,which will make sense,and be logical,for they believe in evolution.

So they will say robots,smobots,because a robot will compare no where near what they believe humans will become in greatness,intelligence,or power.

To me robots are nothing more than any other thing man creates which is to show off his ability to create such things,as being someone great,and also to make much money off their creation.

But in the future robots will be like yard ornaments replacing the Gnome,and such yard ornaments,for they will be so arrogant,and self exalting.

But of course it is all in their mind for they think these things are reality,and they can achieve them,but they will find out in the future that is was a lie,and they were deceived,but then it is too late for those who followed the New Age Christ.

Concerning the iron mixed with clay,the iron represents the Roman Empire,and the clay represents the rest of the world,for they mingle themselves with the seed of men.

Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts in chapter 7,which is the same interpretation as chapter 2.

The first kingdom was considered the greatest,and then inferior for each one after.

1.Babylon,lion,gold,rode on eagle's wings,had a high revelation of God,but blew it and the wings were plucked,and then they became known as the kingdom of man.

2.Medo-Persia,bear,silver.

3.Greece,leopard,brass.

4.Roman Empire,iron in both chapters,ten toes,ten horns,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

The metals became less precious as the kingdoms came about.

The first 3 kingdoms will never have dominion again,but the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,and they shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.

All Caucasian nations will come together,and any nation taken over by a Caucasian nation,and the nations will join together with them,which the Roman Empire represents iron,so they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,but they shall not cleave to each other,even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The first 3 kingdoms will never have dominion again,but their lives were prolonged for a time and season,which their ways are still on earth,and they show up at the beast kingdom,which has the Babylonian spirit for they represent human religion,the occult,and the kingdom of man.

The ten horns,the Roman Empire's dominion,world denomination,with the ways of a lion,Babylon,which represents human religion,with the ways of a bear,Medo-Persia,which represents physical cruelty,and the ways of a leopard,Greece,which represents human wisdom.

The kingdom of man in its entirety that does not acknowledge any personal God.
 

Ugly

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I'm more inclined to believe the most common motive is selfishness. With a robot a man doesn't need permission when he's ready. He doesn't need to do things for someone else. He can focus entirely in his wants and gratifying himself in his own way and own time.
I'd say it's more of an emotional/spiritual disconnect from sex, making it more self centered and animalistic.
While fear of women may play a part for some I'd wager the ease of sex with someone (something) that has no needs and that only job is your satisfaction will be the largest selling point. And as porn is a multibillion dollar industry that is exactly the message it has been promoting.
 

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The word 'strange' is sometimes used to refer to that which God has not approved, authorized, or permitted. We see this in the case of Nadal and Abihu who offered 'strange' fire before the Lord and died as a result.
 
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I been thinking on this lately, having a look at the greek word "heteros", G2087, which can also mean other or different.

Now looking at modern society today, and the technologies we have, specifically "Artificial Intelligence (AI)". Not sure if people have been following or keeping up to date with such technologies, but what is very alarming and concerning is sex robots that have realistic genitalia.

I have come across articles where some are having robots as partners. I recall reading about a man in china that married a robot. And even more, there are sex robots in some brothels (as far as I know, this is in Europe, based on articles I have read).

From a rational point of view, has the level of society deteriorated so much, that men have become so afraid to approach women they are now going to the direction of having to choose a sex robot? I know especially in a number of countries where it has reached a level, that men are afraid to approach women for fear of false accusations (western countries worse for this).

Call it conspiracy or something else, but I cannot help but wonder if all this we are seeing today has been planned out in such a way, to take perversion to a new level. Make a system where men are so afraid to approach women, businesses cater to men's needs and create sex robots for such men. Big money making opportunity here.

I have also wondered about the "Iron and Clay" reference in Daniel 2.43 as well.

Very troubling and scary where this modern society is headed. So if people don't support the idea of men marrying robots, are they going to be labelled as being racist? discriminate? robophobe? So today we have a modern society, where a number of people are intelligent, but at the same time they are either still wearing nappies or wet behind the ears.
Similar to strange fire right.
 

Alertandawake

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When I see everything happening in today's time period, which today I have no doubt in my mind that everything we see happening today is parallel as to what was going on in Sodom.

But when I look at time periods concerned, comparing the past, and looking our current generation, the similarities are there, regardless of the technological differences.

Now with this time period we are living in, there is also Virtual Reality technology, but I don't know too much about this and what level of advancement this technology is at. But I do know with such a technology, this can make a person indulge in all sorts of sexual desires at a mind level.

It is like now in this day and age of technological progress, it is as if all these new technologies are encouraging a person not to have any self restraint, but making it easier and easier for them to act on their sexual desires, and since a number of people don't have the opportunity to do so in real life, it needs to be acted on another way. It is as if we are seeing today, to have as many people as possible, to no longer have any self restraint, and just act like animals, does this make sense??
 
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Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (the Greek Text introduces a comparison showing a likeness between the Angels of Verse 6 and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah; but the likeness between them lies deeper than the fact that both were guilty of committing sin; it extends to the fact that both were guilty of the same identical sin), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh (the Angels cohabited with women; the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, was homosexuality [Rom. 1:27]), are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire (those who engage in the sin of homosexuality and refuse to repent will suffer the vengeance of the Lake of Fire).

The Expositor's Study Bible - JSM
 

MarcR

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When my daughter was in 4-H, AI signified Artificial insemination. It made a lot of sense for kids trying to raise livestock projects on limited space with no room for a bull or a ram or a Boar. It allowed kids to breed their project animals to grand champions without having to pay transport or boarding fees; and gave them useul experience with cryogenics. Liquid nitrogen is very cold and does some very strange things. Artificial intelligence is limited by the skill of the programmer.
 
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I been thinking on this lately, having a look at the greek word "heteros", G2087, which can also mean other or different.

Now looking at modern society today, and the technologies we have, specifically "Artificial Intelligence (AI)". Not sure if people have been following or keeping up to date with such technologies, but what is very alarming and concerning is sex robots that have realistic genitalia.

I have come across articles where some are having robots as partners. I recall reading about a man in china that married a robot. And even more, there are sex robots in some brothels (as far as I know, this is in Europe, based on articles I have read).

From a rational point of view, has the level of society deteriorated so much, that men have become so afraid to approach women they are now going to the direction of having to choose a sex robot? I know especially in a number of countries where it has reached a level, that men are afraid to approach women for fear of false accusations (western countries worse for this).

Call it conspiracy or something else, but I cannot help but wonder if all this we are seeing today has been planned out in such a way, to take perversion to a new level. Make a system where men are so afraid to approach women, businesses cater to men's needs and create sex robots for such men. Big money making opportunity here.

I have also wondered about the "Iron and Clay" reference in Daniel 2.43 as well.

Very troubling and scary where this modern society is headed. So if people don't support the idea of men marrying robots, are they going to be labelled as being racist? discriminate? robophobe? So today we have a modern society, where a number of people are intelligent, but at the same time they are either still wearing nappies or wet behind the ears.
Jude 1:7 is talking about homosexual. God bless
 

OneFaith

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We must never give in or go along with their thinking. For example, we must never refer to a robot as a man’s wife. We must never refer to robots as a race of people. We must not refer to someone’s dog as their baby. We must not refer to a homosexual who changes his name from Charlie to Charlene- we must never call him Charlene, or refer to him as female. We must not pervert any reality of truth.

My daughter is so against the advancement of technology for this very reason- the use of perversion, weapons, or job-stealing. I agree with having an iPhone or iPad, but she looks at them like a sign of what comes next. She says Chinese girls are dressing like little girls and like dolls, to please men. Even getting plastic surgery to do so. And what does this cater to if not pediphilia? They are even making sex robots that look like little children. They say it is so they don’t molest real children, but what it’s doing is encouraging their behavior, and desensitizing whatever conscience they may have left.

“They invent ways to do evil.” Romans 1:30
 

garee

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The word 'strange' is sometimes used to refer to that which God has not approved, authorized, or permitted. We see this in the case of Nadal and Abihu who offered 'strange' fire before the Lord and died as a result.
Good point "strange" or foreign to the promises. Like the strange woman can represent all of the unbelievers that do not make up the bride of Christ the church, or the strange land foreign from the promises of God.
 
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OtherWay210

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Follow the subject, its not about robot sex, cyborgs, computer chip implants. Not about homosexuality ;in this subject.
Focus on the passage .


Its referring to the Future Tribulation of Satan and the fallen angels . If Christ said its going to be like in the days of Noah, you have to actually listen to what the Bible says the days of Noah were like ( Gen 6:1- 8 )
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Jude is teaching .

The letter is about those angels which left their first habitation and took wives and had sex, and giants were born from that union . That is the strange flesh being referred to, their union with flesh man Jude 1:6 . Its also about the Tribulation and the Lords day Jude 1:6 . Jude 1:7


Satan is chief among them Jude 1:14

Michael holding Him until God commends Satan to be sent to earth ( Revelation 12 )

Which Enoch prophesied against Jude 1:14 . Just before Christ returns Satan and his angels would cause an apostasy

2 Corinthians 11:1 - 15 .


The Great Lords Day, is when Christ will return,,AFTER the Tribulation of Satan ( Jude 1:14 ; Mark 13:24 -26 ; ; Rev 19:14 - 21; Revelation 11:15; Revelation 20 - end etc )


Since the passage is about the end times, and fallen angels of Genesis 6 ; a Christian should be familiar with Christs' teachings on the Locust armies and Satan their king .

If you read Joel describes these angels as being able to fall on sword and not be injured. Its the only ones who can fit the Iron reference in Daniel ,being mixed with clay, which is flesh man ( Isaiah 45:9 ) . That is what the last final beast is composed of .
 
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Follow the subject, its not about robot sex, cyborgs, computer chip implants. Not about homosexuality ;in this subject.
Focus on the passage .


Its referring to the Future Tribulation of Satan and the fallen angels . If Christ said its going to be like in the days of Noah, you have to actually listen to what the Bible says the days of Noah were like ( Gen 6:1- 8 )
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Jude is teaching .

The letter is about those angels which left their first habitation and took wives and had sex, and giants were born from that union . That is the strange flesh being referred to, their union with flesh man Jude 1:6 . Its also about the Tribulation and the Lords day Jude 1:6 . Jude 1:7


Satan is chief among them Jude 1:14

Michael holding Him until God commends Satan to be sent to earth ( Revelation 12 )

Which Enoch prophesied against Jude 1:14 . Just before Christ returns Satan and his angels would cause an apostasy

2 Corinthians 11:1 - 15 .


The Great Lords Day, is when Christ will return,,AFTER the Tribulation of Satan ( Jude 1:14 ; Mark 13:24 -26 ; ; Rev 19:14 - 21; Revelation 11:15; Revelation 20 - end etc )


Since the passage is about the end times, and fallen angels of Genesis 6 ; a Christian should be familiar with Christs' teachings on the Locust armies and Satan their king .

If you read Joel describes these angels as being able to fall on sword and not be injured. Its the only ones who can fit the Iron reference in Daniel ,being mixed with clay, which is flesh man ( Isaiah 45:9 ) . That is what the last final beast is composed of .
It is about satans end time tribulation, like the time of Noah they will return to earth and they will be here for five months like Noah was in the ark for five months, they will marry and like Verse 7 says they are also gay. God bless
 
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OtherWay210

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Jude is concerned with their part in the prophecy ( which we must be aware of to avoid their deception ) leading to the True Christs return. Being gay is not the focus ...But ill keep that in mind celib. thanks for your comment ..
 

NayborBear

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I been thinking on this lately, having a look at the greek word "heteros", G2087, which can also mean other or different.

Now looking at modern society today, and the technologies we have, specifically "Artificial Intelligence (AI)". Not sure if people have been following or keeping up to date with such technologies, but what is very alarming and concerning is sex robots that have realistic genitalia.

I have come across articles where some are having robots as partners. I recall reading about a man in china that married a robot. And even more, there are sex robots in some brothels (as far as I know, this is in Europe, based on articles I have read).

From a rational point of view, has the level of society deteriorated so much, that men have become so afraid to approach women they are now going to the direction of having to choose a sex robot? I know especially in a number of countries where it has reached a level, that men are afraid to approach women for fear of false accusations (western countries worse for this).

Call it conspiracy or something else, but I cannot help but wonder if all this we are seeing today has been planned out in such a way, to take perversion to a new level. Make a system where men are so afraid to approach women, businesses cater to men's needs and create sex robots for such men. Big money making opportunity here.

I have also wondered about the "Iron and Clay" reference in Daniel 2.43 as well.

Very troubling and scary where this modern society is headed. So if people don't support the idea of men marrying robots, are they going to be labelled as being racist? discriminate? robophobe? So today we have a modern society, where a number of people are intelligent, but at the same time they are either still wearing nappies or wet behind the ears.
Not sure on your "take" of Daniel's prophecy, or dream interpretation (as I seem to remember 'ol king nebo, ke-nezzer, or ke-drezzer had a dream somewhat like this...but, could be wrong...lol). But, the "clay" mentioned, as for being the "feets/feats", of this "monster", er beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, as it builds itself with knowledge increased (wickedness, (+apostasy) increasing with it), rather emphasizes a fact, that there is no creature MORE dangerous, then a decieved man!