Just who is the torah/law of Moses for? Jews? Gentiles?

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Yosef, Yeshua Ha Moshiach nailed the Torah to the Cross.
 
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Yosef???
No he did not.

Col 2:3And you, being dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us. He took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
 
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Col 2:3And you, being dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us. He took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
14 He wiped away the bill of charges against us. Because of the regulations, it stood as a testimony against us; but he removed it by nailing it to the execution-stake. 15 Stripping the rulers and authorities of their power, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by means of the stake. 16 So don't let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. 17 These are a shadow of things that are coming,

He wiped away the record of our sin, not the Teachings of His Father.
 
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Execution Stake?

It is time you took a stand and told us where you are coming from.
 
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Execution Stake?

It is time you took a stand and told us where you are coming from.
well If the translations he uses says stake it could be the new world translation which is used by the JW's, they don't believe that he made it to the cross , and every where the Word of God says cross their translation changes it to stake
 
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well If the translations he uses says stake it could be the new world translation which is used by the JW's, they don't believe that he made it to the cross , and every where the Word of God says cross their translation changes it to stake
Call it Stake or Cross, as I said before, the point is He was crucified and it is through His sacrifice that we have life.
 
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long video. didn't finish it yet. I just have to say I love the way this guy says Torah.
 
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Yosef, Yeshua Ha Moshiach nailed the Torah to the Cross.
You are right that the Torah / Law was given to point mankind in the direction of his Saviour, Jesus Christ however, just as Jesus died and was raised from the dead in some ways the same could be said about God's "law". For the believer in Christ, the law no longer points out our transgressions which the penalty results in death but rather obedience to God's "law" becomes a pysical expression of our faith in Christ and it is through faith (not works) that grants us eternal life.
 
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You are right that the Torah / Law was given to point mankind in the direction of his Saviour, Jesus Christ however, just as Jesus died and was raised from the dead in some ways the same could be said about God's "law". For the believer in Christ, the law no longer points out our transgressions which the penalty results in death but rather obedience to God's "law" becomes a pysical expression of our faith in Christ and it is through faith (not works) that grants us eternal life.
Yes, Thank you.
 
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it was given to all mankind to show the way to the messiah, the law basically describes christs character which christ himself sums up for us in mathew, love the lord thy god with your heart and love thy neighbor as yourself.
 
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Torah was to show them to Christ. It was to show them that they could never follow all those rules. For them to realize they couldn't follow all the rules and call onto God. God knew they could never set them selves free by their actions. So Jesus had to come and then we could follow him and be set free by his blood. I hope this helps you. God bless!
 
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Torah was to show them to Christ. It was to show them that they could never follow all those rules. For them to realize they couldn't follow all the rules and call onto God. God knew they could never set them selves free by their actions. So Jesus had to come and then we could follow him and be set free by his blood. I hope this helps you. God bless!
Great answer.
The law was given because of sin, until the coming of the Messiah according to the Apostle Paul. Now that faith in Jesus has come, we are no longer under that law. In Hebrews it speaks of the New Covenant.
God says he will write His laws on our hearts and put them on our minds, by the Holy Spirit. No longer will a man need to teach His neighbour concerning them. If something is written on our hearts we naturally want to obey, but can only do so through the Spirit. You are right no-one could really obey those laws. If they could Jesus needn't have died.
Sin used the good laws of God to condemn the Apostle Paul.
Does this mean we have all 613 laws written in our hearts and minds? No

And this is His command. To believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and to love one another as He commanded us.. 1John3:23

As Paul says. Love fulfills the Law.

Anything else is legalism. And love is the first casualty of legalism.
 
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You are right that the Torah / Law was given to point mankind in the direction of his Saviour, Jesus Christ however, just as Jesus died and was raised from the dead in some ways the same could be said about God's "law". For the believer in Christ, the law no longer points out our transgressions which the penalty results in death but rather obedience to God's "law" becomes a pysical expression of our faith in Christ and it is through faith (not works) that grants us eternal life.

The Moral law cannot be nailed to the cross. It is spiritual and signified by placing the two tablets inside the Ark of the Covenant. Before the letter came, we knew spiritually that it was wrong to steal or to kill or lie. But what about the 4th commandment? By the letter we are to rest every 7th day. But what of the spirit? If a man worships the true God but on a Sunday, is he to receive the Lake of Fire? And if a man worships the true God on a Saturday, but can't stay away from ham is he too to receive the Lake? Does the 4th commandment really mean that we are to rest and worship Him on a Saturday? Isn't He the same True and Living God on Sunday thru Friday as well? And why does He start that commandment with REMEMBER?
What if the answer was SO simple that we've overlooked it all this time? The answer to the heart of the ENTIRE LAW is in the first book of the Bible! When God created the world, the first 6 days ended with a "and thus the evening and the morning were the (1st-6th). But of the Sabbath it only states that IN IT He rested. IT NEVER SAYS THAT THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE 7TH DAY! Don't look at it by the letter as in 7 literal days. Look at it spiritually. SPIRITUALLY, WE ARE STILL IN GOD'S 7TH DAY! Please read Genesis again with assuming that it ended as we have done for years. I am SURE that this is what is meant by remembering the Sabbath!
 
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