Justified by work vs faith

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EleventhHour

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Jesus love the world, John 3:16
Mean Jesus love all human, He expect and invite every body to believe in Him not murder, love other live God.
But Jesus never force people to believe in Hjm
Jesus doesn't like murder
Jesus have ability to make people live other not murder

Why some people doing murder

Because Jesus not forcing, He give free Will to us
Does God not have the power over life and death?

Perhaps you should read about Ananias and Sapphira.

You ongoing insistence about the desire of believers to commit murder is really quite nonsensical.
 

throughfaith

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The way he is reading the Bible is he just quoted to you from John where its said if a branch doesnt produce fruit its cut off and thrown into the fire, clear as day.

Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
There's are entire cults who can formulate there entire theology using bible verses. They believe also 'from the bible' believe that you can lose salvation . Of course they have to hold to that idea . how else could you control your flock ?
 

Jackson123

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My friend if your not careful ,the way your reading the bible means no one can possibly make it . Which is kinda the point . Either you HAVE been saved or not? if not YOU cannot save yourself s or KEEP yourself saved even if you really really really tried .
My brother as a sinner I wish I can do what ever I want and not Being Cut>burn

But I am not God and don't have authority to change the Word.

That what Jesus say my friend

Jesus not force you to believe, but politely invite you to believe, to die from our flesh .

I know not going to be easy, I learn to die from my flesh and keep falling.
But I am not give up, I keep pray and learn to abide
 

throughfaith

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The way he is reading the Bible is he just quoted to you from John where its said if a branch doesnt produce fruit its cut off and thrown into the fire, clear as day.

Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
Why do you think there are so many verses that make it absolutely clear a person cannot break the seal of the Holy Spirit and un birth himself ..Anymore than we can change our physical birth . You think God's action of making someone " born again ' is weaker than our physical birth ?
 

throughfaith

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My friend, I did response with that verse

John 15

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Not abide> burn/hell
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
 

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Does God not have the power over life and death?

Perhaps you should read about Ananias and Sapphira.

You ongoing insistence about the desire of believers to commit murder is really quite nonsensical.[/Q
Yes God have power over live and death believe in Him Will live, not believe and keep murder Will die

And Yes I agree with you non of believer have desire of murder and If he did, he Will fell guilty and repent and I never say believer have desire or hoby to murder

My question is

Do you believe Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Or you believe after accepting Christ murder go to heaven No need repent?
 

throughfaith

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My brother, read interlinear aswell

That is I believe your interpretation for this verse
If we don't believe in God he abide faithful

You think even we murder Jesus still faithful to put us in to heaven, and If we Deny Him He not Deny us

Is that your interpretation oN verse 13?

That not what he say friend

Read from verse 12

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

If we Deny Jesus, Jesus also Deny us

Is not what ever you do , Deny Jesus and Jesus not Deny us.
It says 'we ' whos the 'we ' ? its already saved saints .
 

Jackson123

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Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
My friend, If I interprate base oN my agenda, as a sinner I Will interprate that verse as:
You can do what ever you want, you still go to heaven not Cut and burn.
To make me look like ok and go to heaven

The problem is that not what the verse say
 

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29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

No corupt
Grieve not tha Holy spirit > sealed

Mean If you grieve the Holy Spirit not sealed

Murder is grieve the Holy Spirit
 

throughfaith

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29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

No corupt
Grieve not tha Holy spirit > sealed

Mean If you grieve the Holy Spirit not sealed

Murder is grieve the Holy Spirit
your doing it again . Read how long a believer is sealed for .
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
 

throughfaith

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29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

No corupt
Grieve not tha Holy spirit > sealed

Mean If you grieve the Holy Spirit not sealed

Murder is grieve the Holy Spirit
My friend I am an evangelist and I've been doing this on the streets and towns as long as I've been saved ..I have met every sect and cult , jehovah witnesses , mormons , SDA , ect and the common theme is loss of salvation ( of course denying who Jesus actually is also ) and baptism is necessary for salvation . They use the exact same verses your using ( out of context )
 

throughfaith

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The way he is reading the Bible is he just quoted to you from John where its said if a branch doesnt produce fruit its cut off and thrown into the fire, clear as day.

Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
john 15 .11
11¶These things have I spoken unto you, So that you work really hard for your salvation, producing fruit , give to charity , do deeds of faith , tithe , so that I don't push you into the lake of fire....erm no ... that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
 

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There's are entire cults who can formulate there entire theology using bible verses. They believe also 'from the bible' believe that you can lose salvation . Of course they have to hold to that idea . how else could you control your flock ?

we ALL believe how we have COME to believe -- in cults and out of. :) the question is -- what is TRUTH? not -- do i agree with this person or that person? truth does not say -- Cults Believe What They Want To so I Won't Believe This Person who also believes what they want to! :)
 

throughfaith

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Except you guys dont believe they that are Christ's have actually crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts. Instead you believe they can continue in them and still be saved. Because no one is perfect yada yada bla bla

Returning to obedience does not cover for past sins, only Jesus' blood can remit sins.
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 

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when does the new testament start ?
It starts at the death of the testator. However the testament was given while Jesus was still alive, spoken to the Apostles which He then commanded them to go into all nations starting from Judea to teach.
 

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There's are entire cults who can formulate there entire theology using bible verses. They believe also 'from the bible' believe that you can lose salvation . Of course they have to hold to that idea . how else could you control your flock ?
We have seen the evil fruit coming from your camp already. Its destroyed a nation worth of Christians into being just like the world, sometimes even worse.
 

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My friend I am an evangelist and I've been doing this on the streets and towns as long as I've been saved ..I have met every sect and cult , jehovah witnesses , mormons , SDA , ect and the common theme is loss of salvation ( of course denying who Jesus actually is also ) and baptism is necessary for salvation . They use the exact same verses your using ( out of context )
My good friend Jackson here is a BIBLE BELIEVER, someone who reads it and believes it for what it says.

I doubt you can fool him with this card. You have been wasting your time evangelizing for years if you have been preaching the dead in sins remain in sin non-gospel.
 

Kolistus

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john 15 .11
11¶These things have I spoken unto you, So that you work really hard for your salvation, producing fruit , give to charity , do deeds of faith , tithe , so that I don't push you into the lake of fire....erm no ... that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Using one bible verse as if it erases the other Bible verses? Hmm. You are supporting evil and made it to my ignore list along with your other cultic buddies.
 
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EleventhHour

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The way he is reading the Bible is he just quoted to you from John where its said if a branch doesnt produce fruit its cut off and thrown into the fire, clear as day.

Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
I thought is was Jesus saves... not fruit saves?