Justified by work vs faith

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EleventhHour

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Using one bible verse as if it erases the other Bible verses? Hmm. You are supporting evil and made it to my ignore list along with your other cultic buddies.
States the one trying to be worthy of salvation?

Isn't that what cults do?
 

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It starts at the death of the testator. However the testament was given while Jesus was still alive, spoken to the Apostles which He then commanded them to go into all nations starting from Judea to teach.
Could you quote the verse ?
 

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We have seen the evil fruit coming from your camp already. Its destroyed a nation worth of Christians into being just like the world, sometimes even worse.
How do you know they were saved? churches are full of unsaved people .
 

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It starts at the death of the testator. However the testament was given while Jesus was still alive, spoken to the Apostles which He then commanded them to go into all nations starting from Judea to teach.
How could something be given when it hadn't happened yet ? your literally adding to and contradicting that verse.
. How could they have been preaching the death ,burial and resurrection, when they did not understand it when Jesus told them., before it had even happened? it was kept from them ( luke 18
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. ( This is way after they have been preaching , so its not the death, burial and resurrection that they are preaching is it ? )
,because had they understood, then Satan would have known and not incited the crucifiction . 1cor 2.8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 

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Using one bible verse as if it erases the other Bible verses? Hmm. You are supporting evil and made it to my ignore list along with your other cultic buddies.
I'm not the one quoting from the ' works salvation handbook '
1) John 15
2) Hebrews 6
3) Hebrews 10
4 Galations 5
5 ) 1cor 6
 

throughfaith

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My good friend Jackson here is a BIBLE BELIEVER, someone who reads it and believes it for what it says.

I doubt you can fool him with this card. You have been wasting your time evangelizing for years if you have been preaching the dead in sins remain in sin non-gospel.
muahahaha you think can fool me Dr Evil, muahahaha!!
 

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Hebrews 7:22 -

"By so much also, Jesus has become the guarantee [/surety] of a better covenant."
 

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john 15 .11
11¶These things have I spoken unto you, So that you work really hard for your salvation, producing fruit , give to charity , do deeds of faith , tithe , so that I don't push you into the lake of fire....erm no ... that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

those In Christ -- living IN CHRIST, walking AS Christ walked More and More,, becoming LIKE Christ have the more JOY. those OUTSIDE of Christ-Life have the LESS joy, and Joys leading to DEATH -- Sin CAUSES death in our Lives, Hearts, and Minds..

those In Death and Dying Joys are NOT In CHRIST (in as Much as They are In Death). some are in CHRIST lESS and Some More. :)


dy·ing | \ ˈdī-iŋ \
Definition of dying

1 a: approaching death

: gradually ceasing to be


b: having reached an advanced or ultimate stage of decay or disuse

2 : of, relating to, or occurring at the time of death or dying
 

mailmandan

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Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (y)
 

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those In Christ -- living IN CHRIST, walking AS Christ walked More and More,, becoming LIKE Christ have the more JOY. those OUTSIDE of Christ-Life have the LESS joy, and Joys leading to DEATH -- Sin CAUSES death in our Lives, Hearts, and Minds..

those In Death and Dying Joys are NOT In CHRIST (in as Much as They are In Death). some are in CHRIST lESS and Some More. :)


dy·ing | \ ˈdī-iŋ \
Definition of dying

1 a: approaching death

: gradually ceasing to be


b: having reached an advanced or ultimate stage of decay or disuse

2 : of, relating to, or occurring at the time of death or dying
Romans 16 .7
7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in christ before me.
So here we see someone in christ before Paul . For instance, let's say we have two brothers . They both get saved on the same day. One brother is killed in a tragic car accident the next day. The other Brother lives till 80 years old . Does the first brother only recieve a partial glorified body as he didn't have all of Christ formed in him yet . perhaps he will be missing some parts ? But at least the brother who died the next day after being in Christ actually made it .Where as the one who lives longer runs the risk of losing his salvation . Surely we should envy those that are martyred early on in their lives ? rather than risk it all continuing to live only to blow it two days before you die .
 

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Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (y)
Agreed . But then some ignore that verse and say ' no thanks I.ll keep myself thankyou very much. '
 

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Believe = obedience.

John 3:36
John 3:16

Compare the two.

If you believe your earthly father, you will respect him and do as he says, instead of always disobeying him. By your disobedience to your earthly father you show your lack of respect and faith in him. Same for the heavenly Father. This isnt rocket science and everyone has known this since day 1, its only recently that this phenomena of easy believism popped up in lazytown America.
Biblical definition of believe- to be persuaded of, to think to be true, to place confidence in,

so, believe means believe.

words have meaning. ignoring those beliefs to push a certain theology is dishonest.
 

mailmandan

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Biblical definition of believe- to be persuaded of, to think to be true, to place confidence in,

so, believe means believe.

words have meaning. ignoring those beliefs to push a certain theology is dishonest.
I was recently in a discussion with a Roman Catholic who made this erroneous statement below:

Faith = Belief + Obedience (Works)

Works-salvationists will typically re-define believe/faith to “include” works.
 

throughfaith

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We have seen the evil fruit coming from your camp already. Its destroyed a nation worth of Christians into being just like the world, sometimes even worse.
' Evil fruit ' ? look at the cults . you think they can exist without the ' loss of salvation ' they teach ? Even the mainstream ones like Jehovah witnesses and Mormons all operate on fear of falling from the faith or Apostasy . But then I look to actual Christians and see the damage this false teaching causes . The fear and control. The manipulation in these types of churches . We have Lordship salvation in Calvinism which is equally damaging as a worksbased salvation . Are we really trusting in Christ alone whilst holding the above teachings ?
 

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Well Actually David was spared because of his broken and contrite heart. David saw the Holy Spirit depart from Saul ,that's why he prayed " don't take

Holy Spirit from me " . No one was ' born again in the OT . This is made possible only in the after the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit to be sealed by the Holy spirit to Guranteed future redemption of the body ( The Adoption .Rom 8.23 )
We all should strive to harmonize the scriptures one with the other and if they all do not harmonize, then we do not understand the truths contained in Christ's doctrine.

All persons who are borne again have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within them, from the time of Adam to the last person to be born by natural birth into this world. Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the red sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he that PUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN HIM.
 

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I am posting this subject because people in my church and some people in this forum believe murder or what ever sin not bring you to hell, and the bible say murder not inherit the kingdom

I need to know why just believe what ever in the bible.

As a sinner I like the teaching that sin is ok, only reduce my reward. But I don't think It Will happen like I wish, It Will happen like what God say in the bible
"the kingdom of heaven" is one of the many names that the church is called in the scriptures. It does not have reference to eternal heaven.
 

Jackson123

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your doing it again . Read how long a believer is sealed for .
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
Believer sealed If he not grieve the Holy Spirit. We not add or reduce the word my brother
You have to read the word grieve not
 

Jackson123

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All persons who are borne again have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within them
My brother, do you believe a person that have indweling the Holy spirit with in, commit murder and not repent, keep murder

What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit, murder?