King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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The translation, "like a son of the gods" takes away nothing from the identity of the fourth man in the furnace. The words of a pagan king don't define who that person was. They only convey his perception.
Perhaps a comparison will help... I'm a relatively-tall person, but not unusually tall by any means. A child once looked up at me and said, "Mommy, there's a giant in here!" (yes, there was plenty of laughter). Does her perception of me as a giant change the truth about my height? Of course not. Similarly, Nebuchadnezzar's perception of the fourth man tells us that man was unusual, but doesn't define who he/He actually was.
My faith in Christ and certainty of the reliability and truthfulness of Scripture isn't challenged one iota on this matter, regardless of what King Neb actually said, and regardless of whether it was Jesus or an angel. Personally, I think "son of the gods" makes more sense, given the context. In similar fashion, the centurion's words in Matthew 27:54 and Mark 15:39 could legitimately be either "the Son of God" or "the son of a god". It's the same issue, and the testimony of a pagan is not the rock on which my faith is built.
Perhaps a comparison will help... I'm a relatively-tall person, but not unusually tall by any means. A child once looked up at me and said, "Mommy, there's a giant in here!" (yes, there was plenty of laughter). Does her perception of me as a giant change the truth about my height? Of course not. Similarly, Nebuchadnezzar's perception of the fourth man tells us that man was unusual, but doesn't define who he/He actually was.
My faith in Christ and certainty of the reliability and truthfulness of Scripture isn't challenged one iota on this matter, regardless of what King Neb actually said, and regardless of whether it was Jesus or an angel. Personally, I think "son of the gods" makes more sense, given the context. In similar fashion, the centurion's words in Matthew 27:54 and Mark 15:39 could legitimately be either "the Son of God" or "the son of a god". It's the same issue, and the testimony of a pagan is not the rock on which my faith is built.
1 Timothy 2:12 KJV
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Do you believe this?
How do I know it's inerrant? I've debated it for years, I've read james White and other scholars arguments and I've never seen a genuine error.
What is God like quality? Perfection, word structure, word patterns, number patterns, verse structure, coding that could not have been encoded by men. Example: The serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve in the garden, 46 is the number for human DNA. There's no way that men encoded that so it's either an accident or divinely inspired. I might agree it's coincidental if there were one or two occurences like this, but this type of thing is found all over the KJV.
What is God like quality? Perfection, word structure, word patterns, number patterns, verse structure, coding that could not have been encoded by men. Example: The serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve in the garden, 46 is the number for human DNA. There's no way that men encoded that so it's either an accident or divinely inspired. I might agree it's coincidental if there were one or two occurences like this, but this type of thing is found all over the KJV.
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◄ Matthew 9:17 ►
King James Bible
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
New Living Translation
"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. For the old skins would burst from the pressure, spilling the wine and ruining the skins. New wine is stored in new wineskins so that both are preserved."
New International Version
Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
Why is bottles better than wineskins?
King James Bible
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
New Living Translation
"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. For the old skins would burst from the pressure, spilling the wine and ruining the skins. New wine is stored in new wineskins so that both are preserved."
New International Version
Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
Why is bottles better than wineskins?
Dig into it andd see for yourself if it's inspired, find errors, look at the word and number patterns and see if you think man could have done that. How did KJV translators know about DNA in the book of Psalms? The KJV is the only English bible that I know of that translates the passage in Psalms so that the book of DNA can be seen.
[h=1]Psalm 139:16King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.[/FONT]
[h=1]Psalm 139:16King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.[/FONT]
OK, but what you are saying is not "preservation", but "new word", inspired English version.
Psalm is talking about the word in that generation, i.e. Pentateuch. That generation did not have NT, Psalms, Prophets etc. And it was in Hebrew, not in English.
So... are you not taking it too much into extremw?
Psalm is talking about the word in that generation, i.e. Pentateuch. That generation did not have NT, Psalms, Prophets etc. And it was in Hebrew, not in English.
So... are you not taking it too much into extremw?
Anyway, your theory is starting to look a bit more provable.
Ok, you pick a nominal amount of distinguishing features of the KJV.
Let's say, 100 Codes and Patterns.
You then check them against the 10 leading translations in the 100 leading languages in the world.
I suppose if in each of the 100 leading languages, you find 1 translation that faithfully replicates the KJV Codes and Patterns, then you may be on to something.
Come back to us in 20 (?) years
Ok, you pick a nominal amount of distinguishing features of the KJV.
Let's say, 100 Codes and Patterns.
You then check them against the 10 leading translations in the 100 leading languages in the world.
I suppose if in each of the 100 leading languages, you find 1 translation that faithfully replicates the KJV Codes and Patterns, then you may be on to something.
Come back to us in 20 (?) years
Psalm 12:1. Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3. The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4. Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5. For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6. The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted. (KJV)
In vv. 3-4, the LORD promises to “cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things….” In v. 5, the LORD promises to arise for the poor and needy, and to set them in safety. In v. 6., the truth and reliability of the promise is guaranteed by the fact that the “words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” In verse 7, the LORD promises to preserve the poor and needy from the perverse generation described in vv. 3-4.” This verse says absolutely nothing about the Bible and the preservation of it.
The antecedent of the pronoun “them” in v. 7 is NOT “the words of the Lord,” but the oppressed “poor” in verse 5. That the oppressed “poor” in verse 5 is the correct antecedent of the pronoun “them” in v. 7 is proven by the last part of v. 7, “shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
Psalm 12 is a Hebrew poem, and the technical structure of it has been explained in several technical commentaries on the Hebrew text of the Psalms—and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that v. 7 promises the preservation of the afflicted poor and needy. The NRSV translates the last part of the poem as a promise to us:
Psalms 12:7 You, O Lord, will protect us;
you will guard us from this generation forever.
2. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3. The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4. Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5. For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6. The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted. (KJV)
In vv. 3-4, the LORD promises to “cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things….” In v. 5, the LORD promises to arise for the poor and needy, and to set them in safety. In v. 6., the truth and reliability of the promise is guaranteed by the fact that the “words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” In verse 7, the LORD promises to preserve the poor and needy from the perverse generation described in vv. 3-4.” This verse says absolutely nothing about the Bible and the preservation of it.
The antecedent of the pronoun “them” in v. 7 is NOT “the words of the Lord,” but the oppressed “poor” in verse 5. That the oppressed “poor” in verse 5 is the correct antecedent of the pronoun “them” in v. 7 is proven by the last part of v. 7, “shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
Psalm 12 is a Hebrew poem, and the technical structure of it has been explained in several technical commentaries on the Hebrew text of the Psalms—and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that v. 7 promises the preservation of the afflicted poor and needy. The NRSV translates the last part of the poem as a promise to us:
Psalms 12:7 You, O Lord, will protect us;
you will guard us from this generation forever.