KJV translators weren't KJV only!

[Dino246]

Col 2:14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Here we find that Jesus defeated the devil and his minions through the Cross;

However I think that this would be meaningless if Jesus were still dead.

You don't believe that the devil was defeated through the resurrection?

While there may not be scripture to substantiate the idea, I consider it to be a first truth that is logically based in scripture.

It’s unfortunate that you choose to interpret my comments in the worst possible light.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

What unbiblical speculation?

The devil was most definitely defeated when Jesus rose from the dead.

And it makes perfect sense that he would hate the doctrine of Easter because of that.

Doctrine of Easter?

 

[justbyfaith]

Doctrine of Easter?

As found in Acts 12:4.

 

[Dino246]

As found in Acts 12:4.

A single verse does not a doctrine make.

 

[justbyfaith]

A single verse does not a doctrine make.

Says who?

 

[John146]

A single verse does not a doctrine make.

Sure it does...Sanctify through thy truth: thy word is truth.

God's word is truth. All one needs is this one verse to know it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Example, Luke 10:1. Did the Lord appoint seventy or seventy-two? Either one is false and the other is true, or neither is true. They cannot both be true. Which is it?

KJV After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

ESV After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go.

This is hair-splitting. It doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. Find something that changes an important doctrine and then maybe there will be something to discuss.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You do know that the “originals” contain copies...

I'm not sure what you mean by "the 'originals' contain copies." Can you explain?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

As found in Acts 12:4.

How is that a doctrine? It's a scripture verse.

Things like:
The Birth, Death & Resurrection of Jesus are doctrine.
The virgin birth of Jesus.
The truine nature of our one God. Father, Son & Holy Spirit
That God is our Creator. The creator of heaven and earth.

 

[justbyfaith]

This is hair-splitting. It doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. Find something that changes an important doctrine and then maybe there will be something to discuss.

How about Galatians 2:11? the kjv translates it that Peter was to be blamed...whereas another translation says that he stood condemned.

That kind of has a bearing on the issue of OSAS vs. you can lose your salvation as a doctrine.

 

[Dino246]

Says who?

Says God: Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, a matter is established.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It is my contention that the kjv is inspired and inerrant as concerning doctrine;

While in certain cases, as with certain numbers, or other minor details, that have been postulated within the text, there may indeed be error;

However there is no error in the kjv that would carry over into changing doctrine so that we would be finding unsound doctrine in the context of the kjv.

Therefore the unadulterated message of salvation is completely preserved in what we know as the authorized version.

I agree. But I also believe God's message has been preserved in a lot of other translations.

By translations I mean true translations by a team of translators; not so-called translations or paraphrases made by one individual.

 

[justbyfaith]

How is that a doctrine? It's a scripture verse.

Things like:
The Birth, Death & Resurrection of Jesus are doctrine.
The virgin birth of Jesus.
The truine nature of our one God. Father, Son & Holy Spirit
That God is our Creator. The creator of heaven and earth.

It mentions Easter as a holiday that was celebrated by the early church.

And of course, the doctrine of Easter ties in with the doctrine of the Resurrection; because that is what Easter celebrates.

 

[Dino246]

Sure it does...Sanctify through thy truth: thy word is truth.

God's word is truth. All one needs is this one verse to know it.

That God’s word is truth is established by far more than that one verse.

 

[justbyfaith]

Says God: Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, a matter is established.

So, you cannot come to the knowledge of the truth through a singular scripture? You have to have two or three in order for that scripture to be valid?

 

[justbyfaith]

I agree. But I also believe God's message has been preserved in a lot of other translations.

By translations I mean true translations by a team of translators; not so-called translations or paraphrases made by one individual.

Do you include the New World Translation in that? It was done by a team; however I would not consider it to be a valid translation.

 

[Dino246]

How about Galatians 2:11? the kjv translates it that Peter was to be blamed...whereas another translation says that he stood condemned.

That kind of has a bearing on the issue of OSAS vs. you can lose your salvation as a doctrine.

No matter should be determined on one verse alone. Further, it is not right to decide which translation has the correct wording on the basis of some aftermarket view.

 

[John146]

This is hair-splitting. It doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. Find something that changes an important doctrine and then maybe there will be something to discuss.

Truth doesn't matter? Even the "least important" truth? All truth matters. If it's not all truth, then it's not worthy to be called the word of God.

 

[John146]

I'm not sure what you mean by "the 'originals' contain copies." Can you explain?

How do we know what the original ten commandments really say, if not for the copy, which is included in scripture?

 

[John146]

No matter should be determined on one verse alone. Further, it is not right to decide which translation has the correct wording on the basis of some aftermarket view.

Therefore, we can really never know what God has said...