Know that summer is near - we are now living in the last of the last days

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The Rapture of the Church could happen any moment.

Matthew 24

“32 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (the Bible presents three trees, the fig, the olive, and the vine, as representing the nation of Israel, nationally, spiritually, and dispensationally); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (is meant to serve as the illustration of Israel nationally), ye know that summer is near (refers to Israel as the greatest Prophetic Sign of all, telling us that we are now living in the last of the last days):

33 So likewise ye (points to the modern Church), when you shall see all these things (which we are now seeing as it regards Israel), know that it is near, even at the doors (the fulfillment of Endtime Prophecies).”

“34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass (the generation of Jews which will be alive at the beginning of the Great Tribulation; as well, it was a prediction by Christ, that irrespective of the problems that Israel would face, even from His day, they would survive), till all these things be fulfilled (there is no doubt, they will be fulfilled).

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away (doesn’t refer to annihilation, but rather a change from one condition or state to another), but My Words shall not pass away (what the Word of God says, will be!).

36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the Angels of Heaven, but My Father only.”


Mark 13


“28 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (symbolic of Israel and the Second Coming); When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (refers to the rebirth of Israel as it began in 1948; for about nineteen hundred years this “fig tree” produced nothing, now this tree, taking life from the roots, is beginning to “put forth leaves”), you know that summer is near (Israel is God’s prophetic time clock; looking at Israel, we now know that summer is near, i.e., “the Endtime Prophecies are about to be fulfilled”):

29 So you in like manner, when you shall see these things come to pass (the beginning of these things predicted by Christ, has already begun), know that it is near, even at the doors (should have been translated, “He is near,” because it refers to Christ).”

“30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass (concerns the generation in existence at the time of these happenings, which will be the time of the Great Tribulation), till all these things be done (speaks of the events proclaimed in Rev., Chpts. 6-19).

31 Heaven and Earth shall pass away (better translated, “Heaven and Earth shall pass from one condition to another”): but My Words shall not pass away (what Christ is saying will come to pass, and without fail!).”


JSM
 

GraceAndTruth

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Yes, the last trump will sound and the Lord will come down.........is it well with your soul?
 

Dino246

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Well... no danger of narrow interpretation here.
 

KJV1611

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Amo 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.


Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

The verses above are what happened when summer came to Israel. Are you suggesting that this is future?
 

JaumeJ

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I have nothing to do with him. He owes the people, and so far I do not see his allegiance to the former ways of the US citizenry. I have never been political, and I will not start now.
 

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I have nothing to do with him. He owes the people, and so far I do not see his allegiance to the former ways of the US citizenry. I have never been political, and I will not start now.
When Jesus turned down those tables, it wasn't a single spiritual act, it also a moral (political) reaction against injustice.
When He said blessed are those who were thristy and hungry for JUSTICE, He also performed a twofold behaviour, one leading the narrow way, and the other showing Him as a spiritual King to be followed up into the path of a political theocratic kingdom.
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, our politics, if we have any at all, is the Kingdom, and Our King. What spills over into this age is all products of His love.
 

tanakh

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The Lord may be coming back in our lifetime but then again He may not be

Try reading Matt 24 in the context of Matt 23 and 25. Who was Jesus talking to? How often does he say YOU rather than THEY meaning us in 2018?
 

Jackson123

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Israel reborn as a nation in 1948 it mean 70 years ago. Op mention about this generation not pass before second

How long is a generation?
 

JaumeJ

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In my time I have understood people believing a generation is forty years, and others beliving it 70 years.

In Job, it is written a man's life is 70 years, 80 perhaps by virtue...……...so, you think on these things. I have for many decades……….

Also consider, when you see Jaerusalem and the times of the Gentiles fulfilled , watch……...1967
 

Blik

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God gave us the feasts to celebrate His plan for our salvation. Four of the events they prophesied have happened on the feast date, telling of this part of the plan. As examples Christ was crucified on Passover, Christ rose on First Fruits, and we were given the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. It stands to reason that the last part of God's plan, the last of the last days will also happen on the day of the feast we are given to celebrate this. In that case, it will be in the fall that the trumpet will sound.
 

TMS

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waiting and watching. It must be close, no one knows the day or hour, but we are told to be ready today.
Today is the day of salvation.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
 

tanakh

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Israel reborn as a nation in 1948 it mean 70 years ago. Op mention about this generation not pass before second

How long is a generation?
Jesus was talking about the Generation he was talking to. Every other time he mentions'' this generation '' we take it to mean his contemporaries except this one in matt 24. The reason for this is because people who do it fail to understand Jewish terminology
and impose their interpretation on plain English
 

MattforJesus

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We know we are living in the last days because of this.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel had a limited view of the world, basically whatever he could see when he was outside, and maybe some things told him of events close to him, but he would not understand too much of what was going on but around his area.

That is why the book was sealed unto the time of the end for they could not understand it, but when it gets to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know, of what is going on around the world, and how it possible for the nations to come together in which they will rebel against God.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

This is the new age movement that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, and evolution, in which they believe people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, who do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, who will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and an ascended master, and avatar, like the man Jesus, for the Christ conscience will come upon them.

This will happen at the latter times, the last days of the last days, and the new age movement is here now.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom where they will rebel against God, then He will end this sin business on earth.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

This is the New Age Christ that shall deceive the world, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, who hand their power over to the beast when they fail to provide peace on earth in the future, and that is how he gets control of the earth.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I believe this is addressing the overthrow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

This plainly states the end of the world, which it was not the end of the world in the first century.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The disciples would be in the same position as Daniel having a limited view of the world, for how will they hear of wars, and rumors of wars, and nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, that shall happen on different spots on earth if they have a limited view of the world.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

How can the disciples, and saints, be hated of all nations if it is only in that area, and it was the Roman Empire that went against them, not the other nations that were in the then known world, for did Egypt, and Africa go against them, did Asia go against them, did the Arab nations go against them, for they are in the Bible of the then known world.

Or was it only the Roman Empire that went against them, but in the future the Bible says that God is going to make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people, and whoever burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, although the whole earth is gathered together against her, and God said He is going to gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, and then after God defeats them the LORD shall be king over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, and the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole earth, which the heathen that God spared that went against Jerusalem will acknowledge no religious figure, or god, but the LORD, and only know His ways.

There is a future fight against Jerusalem in the future that is the whole earth going against them led by the New Age Christ.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations, and then the end shall come.

But how can the Gospel be preached in to all the nations back in the first century, and if it did apply to the first century then the end would of been back then, but the world is still going with the Gospel being preached, and because of advance travel, and technology, the Gospel can easily be preached in to all the world.
 

tanakh

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We know we are living in the last days because of this.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel had a limited view of the world, basically whatever he could see when he was outside, and maybe some things told him of events close to him, but he would not understand too much of what was going on but around his area.

That is why the book was sealed unto the time of the end for they could not understand it, but when it gets to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know, of what is going on around the world, and how it possible for the nations to come together in which they will rebel against God.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

This is the new age movement that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, and evolution, in which they believe people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, who do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, who will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and an ascended master, and avatar, like the man Jesus, for the Christ conscience will come upon them.

This will happen at the latter times, the last days of the last days, and the new age movement is here now.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom where they will rebel against God, then He will end this sin business on earth.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

This is the New Age Christ that shall deceive the world, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, who hand their power over to the beast when they fail to provide peace on earth in the future, and that is how he gets control of the earth.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I believe this is addressing the overthrow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

This plainly states the end of the world, which it was not the end of the world in the first century.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The disciples would be in the same position as Daniel having a limited view of the world, for how will they hear of wars, and rumors of wars, and nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, that shall happen on different spots on earth if they have a limited view of the world.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

How can the disciples, and saints, be hated of all nations if it is only in that area, and it was the Roman Empire that went against them, not the other nations that were in the then known world, for did Egypt, and Africa go against them, did Asia go against them, did the Arab nations go against them, for they are in the Bible of the then known world.

Or was it only the Roman Empire that went against them, but in the future the Bible says that God is going to make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people, and whoever burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, although the whole earth is gathered together against her, and God said He is going to gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, and then after God defeats them the LORD shall be king over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, and the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole earth, which the heathen that God spared that went against Jerusalem will acknowledge no religious figure, or god, but the LORD, and only know His ways.

There is a future fight against Jerusalem in the future that is the whole earth going against them led by the New Age Christ.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations, and then the end shall come.

But how can the Gospel be preached in to all the nations back in the first century, and if it did apply to the first century then the end would of been back then, but the world is still going with the Gospel being preached, and because of advance travel, and technology, the Gospel can easily be preached in to all the world.
God who in sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past
unto the fathers by the prophets Hath in THESE LAST DAYS spoken
unto us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things by
whom also he made the worlds

Hebrews 1: 1-2

The last days took place in the time of the Apostles and ended with the Judgement of God on Jerusalem along with the destruction of the OT system. The first coming of Christ set them in motion. In Revelation the sealed book was unsealed. That was some 2000 years ago. From Daniels viewpoint the prophecies looked forward to the first coming of Christ which took placed centuries in his
future and included the empires of the Meads and Persians, Greece and Rome.

From first century Jewish viewpoint there were no nations in the modern sense but City States, tribes and clans. The only one anything like a nation was Egypt. Empires consisted of multiple tribes and people including Rome
 

KJV1611

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When Jesus said:

Mat 24:32 (KJV) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

He is not telling us to make up what “summer is nigh” means. He’s telling us us to go to the Old Testament to find out what SUMMER brings.... Its not the rebirth of Israel in 1947.

Hint, what happens in the summer is given in Amos chapter 8.
 

GraceAndTruth

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doesnt' matter how long you THINK a generation is, the point was the Jesus said their generation would not pass away until that prophecy (in part) would be fulfilled...........and it was.

I said "in part" because the rapture is still future and we know that it was not part of the trib prophecy because there was a division made when the the word "THEN" was inserted before that event.

First came the trib, THEN came the rapture......but not in their generation although Preterists would disagree with that!
 

KJV1611

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doesnt' matter how long you THINK a generation is, the point was the Jesus said their generation would not pass away until that prophecy (in part) would be fulfilled...........and it was.

I said "in part" because the rapture is still future and we know that it was not part of the trib prophecy because there was a division made when the the word "THEN" was inserted before that event.

First came the trib, THEN came the rapture......but not in their generation although Preterists would disagree with that!
What rapture verse are you talking about?