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The Bible tells us that the king of Israel once wanted to hear from the prophets,a s to whether he would be victorious over his enemies. All the court prophets told him exactly what he wanted to hear. Yet the king of Judah, wisely, asked whether there might be another voice to hear from, and Israel’s king said that, yes, there was, but that he hated this prophet “because he never prophesies good concerning me” (1 Kings 22:8).

Once found, this prophet refused to speak the consensus word the king wanted to hear.“As the Lord lives, what the Lord says to me, that I will speak” (1 Kings22:14). And, as it turned out, it was a hard word.

When it comes to what people want to hear, it seems to me that the church faces a similar situation as we look to the future of marriage in this country. Many want the sort of prophetic witness that will spin the situation to look favorable, regardless of whether that favor is from the Lord or in touch with reality.






 
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But the real question is how does one balance those things that God does say we are to do in love,where they are correct on what the Bible plainly says is true? Can we really say that because they live like that we can deny them food,shelter,clothing,water and certain types of employment? What did Jesus show us when He feed the 4,000 and 5,000? And isn't He also our example of how to love? Who was included in those groups? Did Jesus separate out who He was going to feed? Did Jesus feed believers,unbelievers,clean,unclean,those living in unrepentant sin,those not living in sin,friends and even ENEMIES? Jesus closes that door on NOT meeting needs. The Bible is very clear about NOT meeting another's needs,but that DOES NOT mean we are required to meet their wants which goes against what the Bible plainly teaches. No Christian should be upset about MEETING another's needs,because that is at the heart loving another human being made in the image of God. Jesus never made a distinction of who's needs we are to meet.
I am reliably informed that the biggest providers of AIDS palliative care are Christians.
 

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What most people will never get is this a backlash. Far too often the Church has ignored a very real but dirty little secret. There are far too many preachers and churches that make Westboro Baptist Church look like choir boys. Too many preachers will advocate "beating the gay out of your boys" "rape your daughter to remove the lesbian out of her". Preachers that when a gay "couple" comes into church will egg the congregation to beat them in the parking lot. And Christians that have jumped gays outside of a bar and beat them to death. You have Christians that can forgive a woman that has aborted her baby long before they will ever forgive a homosexual (Seen it first hand) And it's all done in the name of Christ. Yet where are the Christians who will speak up on those things? These things are far too common in the church,yet you continue to have Christians turn a blind eye to those things. If this stuff is NOT what a Christian is suppose where are those who will speak out against this? Why the silence about Christians doing these things? Are we saying this stuff is OK?

And if we think that this doesn't happen go back and read history,a whole of stuff of dirty nasty stuff has been done in the name of Christ.
I am sorry Sarah, but unless you get more specific, I have no idea what you are talking about.
 

mustaphadrink

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deal with it. are you upset and nose out of joint over some sadly deluded people who need Christ?
would you be so vicious with out-of-control angry inner-city youths who grew up with no dad (jail) and a drug-addicted mom? the kid's bad behaviour is never "right". but the kid is in trouble and hurt and scared and it comes out in anger and aggression.

what words can you think of that might help? how about love? how about service? how about giving of your time without bragging about it? or you can just rant.
I was commenting on what happens, not hypotheticals.
 
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Sarah, I'm not turning a blind eye to such things, I've never even heard of such evils in the church before you mentioned them. That's seriously messed up!
 
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Sarah, I'm not turning a blind eye to such things, I've never even heard of such evils in the church before you mentioned them. That's seriously messed up!
Tintin, I do apologize for the broad based statement,I did say that out of frustration,most often it seems to be tied most often with churches that are more legalistic and fundamentalist type churches. What I have found over the years is that some churches that IGNORE what Jesus said about people being BORN eunuchs,(How did they know they WERE BORN eunuchs unless He was speaking of intersexed conditions that were seen?) generally are the ones that go down that path.
 

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Society amazes me on this issue. It's like we're all so petrified of being labelled bigots. God never intended for anything else other than for a man to be with a women. None of this gay, bisexual, transgender garbage that goes completely against our grain. God knew what He was creating when He had each and every one of us in His sight. God doesn't make mistakes. While i don't harbour any personal ill will towards people who are misguided and make the wrong choices about their sexuality and identity it is there responsibility to reflect and get the help they need to live their life according to the way God designed us. Falling short of that, I will not 'accept' their lifestyle or their choices. If that means i'm called every name under the sun, bring it on. I don't stand by or change my beliefs for societal norms, but for God alone.
Great post Laura and while we are at it we should campaign to reclaim the word GAY as homosexuals have made it a complete lie, because gay they are not.

If we are asked do we support gay marriage we should say 100%. The more happy marriages there are the better it is for society, for marriage and the children of the marriage. A smile a day keeps the divorce courts away.

The only people who haven't got a hope in hell of a gay marriage is homosexuals.
 
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Great post Laura and while we are at it we should campaign to reclaim the word GAY as homosexuals have made it a complete lie, because gay they are not...

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*Shrugs* They can have the word for all I care...
you should go do something more useful than trying to "reclaim the word GAY." ;)
 

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And if we think that this doesn't happen go back and read history,a whole of stuff of dirty nasty stuff has been done in the name of Christ.
And today, which is what we are talking about, the church does myriads of good to the poor and needy whilst the atheists and homosexuals do nothing except rant and rave.
 
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Sexual sins are pet peeve with God be it homo or promiscuous.

Genesis
38 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.
4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.
5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.
6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.

Genesis 19

19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.
 

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Yeah Mustapha. I think im starting to agree with you here. Some homosexuals are now playing the system and are forcing people into situations of 'guilt'.

Like that poor preacher who was asked by two gays what his beliefs were, and they knew full well what his beliefs were... Then reported him to the police for expressing the views they asked him to express.

I've got no issues with gays, but I understand why you would have a problem with the gay agenda.
It is a pity that the homosexuals have not realized that people have got problems with their agenda. One of their own kind wrote an article and said that rational debate is an unknown concept to the homosexual radicals. If they came to the table and argued calmly and rationally instead of biff, bash and the devil take the hindmost, they might gain some credibility.
 

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Spread the truth and SarahM777 suddenly goes quiet.
 
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Spread the truth and SarahM777 suddenly goes quiet.

Just because I have been away for a bit doesn't mean much. Where in any of this has any other Christian (Except the rare few) really spoken out AGAINST other so called Christians beating those who are in the LGBT camp? (Where did Jesus ever tell us to do that?) Where did Jesus ever tell us it is OK for us as Christians to deny them food,shelter,clothing and water? By the way part of this is exactly that. Where are the Christians that will stand up and say that as human beings made in the image God,that they too need those things and to deny them that is wrong.

Where are the so called Christians standing up to say that BEATING those who are LGBT in Christ's name brings shame and disrepute upon Him,and it's wrong. By the way didn't Jesus also tell us to love our ENEMIES,the same Jesus who as He is having spikes pounded into hands said this "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

Jesus gave us the example when He fed the 4,000 and 5,000. He fed ALL that were there,and that INCLUDED those who were His enemies. Jesus did not deny their daily needs. No Christian should ever have a problem with our daily needs being met,no Christian should ever have a problem to say that it is wrong for us to be beaten in the name of Christ. Can any Christian ever say God truly denied their daily needs needs EVEN WHILE they were haters of God?

But on the other hand those things that go to far should be dealt with also.
 
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How many of y'all actually read it?
 
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If your scared to click the link. Here is the whole thing.

First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987 and also put into the Congressional Record. Author - Michael Swift)
We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.
Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.
All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.
All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.
If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.
We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.
Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.
We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.
There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.
We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.
The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.
All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.
The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.
We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.
We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.
Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.
 
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The destruction of these demons is certain.
 
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The destruction of these demons is certain.
I certainly hope so, But can't you see that a lot of what was stated has come to pass. We need a cross revival in America desperately. Include it your prayers please.