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This is from the same author.
1Jn 2:1,2 My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. 2 He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
Indra, no one is advocating that a believer, who is born of God, continue in sin. We as believers do sin and we should not be surprised or shocked when that happens. When we were born again, God never removed the old sin nature from our body. That old sin nature, though crucified, still remains in the members of our body and we will not be rid of it until the redemption of our bodies takes place.
When we sin, Jesus Christ, who paid for that sin with His own blood, goes to the Father as our advocate and pleads our case, declaring that He (Christ) was already been judged and sentenced for that sin on the cross through death. That sin can not be judged again. So the believer, that sinned, will not be judged or dealt with according to his sin. God will be merciful and give him grace and if he receives that grace through humility, he will confess his sin before God and will be forgiven and cleansed from the unrighteousness of that sin / 1Jn 1:8-10.
1Jn 2:1,2 My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. 2 He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
Indra, no one is advocating that a believer, who is born of God, continue in sin. We as believers do sin and we should not be surprised or shocked when that happens. When we were born again, God never removed the old sin nature from our body. That old sin nature, though crucified, still remains in the members of our body and we will not be rid of it until the redemption of our bodies takes place.
When we sin, Jesus Christ, who paid for that sin with His own blood, goes to the Father as our advocate and pleads our case, declaring that He (Christ) was already been judged and sentenced for that sin on the cross through death. That sin can not be judged again. So the believer, that sinned, will not be judged or dealt with according to his sin. God will be merciful and give him grace and if he receives that grace through humility, he will confess his sin before God and will be forgiven and cleansed from the unrighteousness of that sin / 1Jn 1:8-10.
And He also wrote....
1st John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The Bible is not a buffet bar where you can choose what you like and dismiss what you don't. Those that do not follow after Christ doing all they can through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to conquer their flesh and not sin are not christian but liars. Will we make mistakes, and need to repent and start afresh? YES. Can we continue in sin because of God's grace free from Judgment? NO
1st John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The Bible is not a buffet bar where you can choose what you like and dismiss what you don't. Those that do not follow after Christ doing all they can through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to conquer their flesh and not sin are not christian but liars. Will we make mistakes, and need to repent and start afresh? YES. Can we continue in sin because of God's grace free from Judgment? NO
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I believe that Paul was referring to the ones who sin by choice. The ones that think that they can go and sin and repent and sin again because they know they can repent. For such that do that are in danger. Hebrews 10:26 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left". For those that love Him they keep a repentant heart and acknowledge whenever they fall and repent quickly. I don't know if you know what i mean, i suck at explaining :/
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Are you saying that the Grace of God can not save you because it sure sounds like it? By saying that you just blasphemed God by saying that his power can not save you from judgment. We are saved by God's grace. Yes we mess up and fall but we also repent, learn from it, and keep going. I am not saying you can do what you want thinking you will make it to heaven. But if you are a Christian you can have confidence that the Blood of Jesus has saved you and will cleanse you of your sin when you do sin. God always has his arms open no matter how much we sin. We just need to believe in his salvation and repent.
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Personally I think we have plenty of people who are blatantly not Christian to go around. It is easier to convert the publican than the pharasee. The dangers of the pharasse is not to those that are strong as those that are young in faith. It seems that often we spend time debated with others of strong faith instead of reaching those that are lost.
To say that repentance has nothing to do with salvation I believe is off-base. Jesus commanded people to REPENT and BELIEVE. He also said WOE TO YOU, to the towns where He did works and they did not repent. I'm glad that some people disagree with him though. Woe to you when all men speak well of you. Otherwise I might not listen to his sermons.
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If you are going to judge 95% of professing Christians as unsaved, why not go 100% because we all have fallen short in our life, even after we believed. There has never been a believer after they were saved by the grace of God and regenerated through the Holy Spirit according to mercy, that has not fallen flat on their face in some kind of sin, and probably more than once. Even self righteousness is sin and all sin is unrighteous / 1Jn 5:17. How many of you that are part of the holiness crowd think that self righteousness or your own righteousness is sin before God. Let me tell you what Christ said about that.
Mt 5:18-20 'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 11:11 ' Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he'.
These verses are for 'watchmen ' as well. John the baptist was his buddy because he preached repentance and there is no way you can enter the kingdom without repentance. But these verses testify that your righteousness has to exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees or you don't get in. Their righteousness (and Israel's) came by keeping the law / Rom 9:31,32 but our righteousness comes by faith / Rom 4:13. You only get in when your righteousness is by faith. If you bother to notice, those that break one of the least commandments and shall teach men so, they get in but they are least in the kingdom, but greater than John the Baptist (and he preached repentance).
Phil 3:9 'And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith'.
There is no righteousness that we can receive from God by keeping any of the commandments or keep me from God's righteousness if I break even the least of the commandments. God's righteousness is received through faith and by faith in Christ, who fulfilled the law. We have His righteousness by faith when we believe.
Rom 3:22 'Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference'.
Rom 10:4-13 'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'.
BTW- There is no water baptism mentioned in any of these verses because water baptism has nothing to do with receiving the righteousness of God or with salvation, because that happens in the heart of the sinner that believes and he confesses, what is in the heart, with his mouth by faith.
Mt 5:18-20 'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 11:11 ' Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he'.
These verses are for 'watchmen ' as well. John the baptist was his buddy because he preached repentance and there is no way you can enter the kingdom without repentance. But these verses testify that your righteousness has to exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees or you don't get in. Their righteousness (and Israel's) came by keeping the law / Rom 9:31,32 but our righteousness comes by faith / Rom 4:13. You only get in when your righteousness is by faith. If you bother to notice, those that break one of the least commandments and shall teach men so, they get in but they are least in the kingdom, but greater than John the Baptist (and he preached repentance).
Phil 3:9 'And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith'.
There is no righteousness that we can receive from God by keeping any of the commandments or keep me from God's righteousness if I break even the least of the commandments. God's righteousness is received through faith and by faith in Christ, who fulfilled the law. We have His righteousness by faith when we believe.
Rom 3:22 'Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference'.
Rom 10:4-13 'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'.
BTW- There is no water baptism mentioned in any of these verses because water baptism has nothing to do with receiving the righteousness of God or with salvation, because that happens in the heart of the sinner that believes and he confesses, what is in the heart, with his mouth by faith.
95% is based upon my own experience, 8 to 9 out of 10 people I deal with in churches are probably not saved, though they may be according to the standards of men. I'd rather be part of the holinesss crowd than the unholiness crowd, and it is short sighted of you to presume that those who follow after perfecting holiness in the fear of God (see 2 Cor 7:1 ) are following after self righteousness.
This kind of self-defeating prophecy that christians will fall flat on their face in sin, more than once? , coupled with bad theology such as "once saved always saved" is probably the reason why so many are living in sin today.
That's incorrect, righteousness has always been by faith, not the law. See Abraham and other examples in the old testament. Note what Paul said:
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.
This kind of self-defeating prophecy that christians will fall flat on their face in sin, more than once? , coupled with bad theology such as "once saved always saved" is probably the reason why so many are living in sin today.
That's incorrect, righteousness has always been by faith, not the law. See Abraham and other examples in the old testament. Note what Paul said:
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.
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We perfect holiness through the mercy and grace of God that reigns through righteousness / Rom 5:21 and through sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Christ / 1Pt 1:2 and through the washing of the water by the word / Eph 5:26 we cleanse ourselves from the filthiness of the flesh and spirit by faith. If it is done any other way, it is rejected by God because it did not come from Him. You have to understand that God only approves and accepts that which he imputes and what comes through Him by mercy and grace. If it did not come from Him and through Him it is nothing more than a righteousness of filthy rags / Is 64:6. You ought to read these verses, it just might help give you some good understanding and quicken your mind to the truth that is in Christ.
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heres the thing and what Shad has said is completely correct. You are justified by faith and so, are we led to the conclusion that those who continue in sin and wickedness and dont turn from their sin will go to heaven?Well ,I am left with the question of even if that was possible which I dont think is ,their faith cant be very strong if they are living in wickedness and have not turned from their sin.Try talking to someone who is living in deep sin who claims they are a christian and see how great their faith is.Chances are its not that great and we are led to the conclusion that true faith will lead to repentance and a growing relationship with Christ Jesus.However because of the abundant faithfulness of God it is none of our own understanding if someones faith was ever strong or is shipwrecked,or being tested or will become strong but rest assured that if we are justified by faith ,I am led to the conclusion that those who die in wickedness could not have faith strong enough to save them in my opinion
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