Loss of salvation???
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so in your opinion God unjustly accounted sin to Adam?
or in your opinion Jesus is wrong?
'man only knows goodness by rejecting God' comes from the Liar.
i suggest you reevaluate.
the text is not saying what you think it says.
or in your opinion Jesus is wrong?
John 9:41
Jesus said unto them,
If you were blind, you would have no sin
you are never in a good position when you find yourself agreeing with Satan. 'man only knows goodness by rejecting God' comes from the Liar.
i suggest you reevaluate.
the text is not saying what you think it says.
Agreed. He was also a servant given grace, agreed?
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There is every indication that his debt was forgiven by the grace of his master, agreed?
Religious conjecture.
Regardless of who you think the unforgiving servant represents, his debt was forgiven and then the debt forgiveness was reversed.
You are simply dancing around the obvious. Keep your personal sensibilities out of the equation.
Just let God be God.
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There is every indication that his debt was forgiven by the grace of his master, agreed?
Religious conjecture.
Regardless of who you think the unforgiving servant represents, his debt was forgiven and then the debt forgiveness was reversed.
You are simply dancing around the obvious. Keep your personal sensibilities out of the equation.
Just let God be God.
Here is an example of grace given and received. Do you think the servant acted like this? Did he boast of being free from debt and willingly forgive the debt of others?
2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Grace is more than God just being "a nice guy". It's real power, so one must need be careful how one responds to grace.
If grace can be revoked then the victory of the Cross is unstable and those who stand at the Great White Throne will need another avenue for their sins to be forgiven. As it stands now, unbelievers will stand there and see all their sin is forgiven in the One they rejected and they will gnash their teeth in frustration.
God never takes back what He gives freely, it is either accepted or rejected.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Grace is more than God just being "a nice guy". It's real power, so one must need be careful how one responds to grace.
If grace can be revoked then the victory of the Cross is unstable and those who stand at the Great White Throne will need another avenue for their sins to be forgiven. As it stands now, unbelievers will stand there and see all their sin is forgiven in the One they rejected and they will gnash their teeth in frustration.
God never takes back what He gives freely, it is either accepted or rejected.
in neither of those posts have you answered any of my questions.
you have slanderously called me evil,
you have slanderously said Satan speaks the truth,
and you have slanderously said God is evil,
but you have not answered my questions.
i'll repeat:
if Adam has zero concept of goodness how can he by comparing subjective outcomes about which he has no concept of how to evaluate, learn anything about those things he has zero concept of?
how can Adam be judged for doing evil if Adam is completely blind even to the very idea of right or wrong, and God says those who are blind have no sin?
if you and Satan are correct, that man can only be like God by doing evil, why does God only say of Adam, not Woman, that he has become "like us" - and why does He never say this until Adam has changed his dead wife's name to "Life" and God has clothed them?
you have slanderously called me evil,
you have slanderously said Satan speaks the truth,
and you have slanderously said God is evil,
but you have not answered my questions.
i'll repeat:
if Adam has zero concept of goodness how can he by comparing subjective outcomes about which he has no concept of how to evaluate, learn anything about those things he has zero concept of?
how can Adam be judged for doing evil if Adam is completely blind even to the very idea of right or wrong, and God says those who are blind have no sin?
if you and Satan are correct, that man can only be like God by doing evil, why does God only say of Adam, not Woman, that he has become "like us" - and why does He never say this until Adam has changed his dead wife's name to "Life" and God has clothed them?
Actually, I believe the Greek more accurately says, John 6:29 "This is the work that God requires (ergon tou theou, the work of God) so that (hina) you might start to believe on Him Whom He has sent. The work of God is done so that they might believe. "This is the work of God" refers back in the passage to v. 7
" Labour not for the food which perishes, but for that food which endures into everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give to you: for him has God the Father sealed." The work of God is our labouring/striving to get into a position to hear the word of God, because faith comes by hearing the word of God, and salvation is through faith.
" Labour not for the food which perishes, but for that food which endures into everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give to you: for him has God the Father sealed." The work of God is our labouring/striving to get into a position to hear the word of God, because faith comes by hearing the word of God, and salvation is through faith.
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St. Paul tells us that Adam was not deceived to the point when Eve is deceived and was in transgression. But they were both disobedient. How then would you characterize Adam's sin? Would you say he was somewhat 'self-deceived' or would you characterize it as something else? Can you offer one precise word in place of "deceived" (which we can definitely apply to Eve since the verse is offering the descriptive phrase 'not deceived' of Adam in contrast to her). If he was not deceived, then what was he?
If anyone could offer one word to help me understand Adam to be other than 'not deceived,' it'd be most helpful.
If anyone could offer one word to help me understand Adam to be other than 'not deceived,' it'd be most helpful.
He was forsaken, for our sin. This was Him taking the punishment for our sin and you scoff at it? How about when He said Himself "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?", why has God done what? "FORSAKEN Him". If the Father didn't forsake Him for your sin, then you still have it coming. This is the part of the sacrifice SO many well meaning Christians fall off at. They're good with God laying His life down for our sin, but get real sketchy when God the just is invoked. This is half the amazing point. Not only was God willing to lay down His life for us, but God was willing to put our punishment on the only innocent man that ever walked the earth, His own Son with who He was well pleased. God is perfectly just so cannot let one sin go unpunished, this is the unbelievable thing about salvation, Do not rob God of any of His glory, and applying our punishment to Jesus, the full wrath of the almighty God, so that His righteousness could be applied to us without His perfect justness being compromised at all, is a huge part of it. I'm sorry if this makes you feel upset, but if you are born again then it is because God was willing to do this, and to deny ANY part of it robs Him of due glory. If you think this makes Jesus look "poor pitiful", then I think you may not be as close to Him or the truth as you feel you are. The truth is an affront to those who are perishing.