Marijuana?

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You are making a very serious statement. all the evidence is heresay. You have no knowledge of Hebrew, so you are relying on the heresay evidence. A wikepedia article that cites The Great Book of Hemp which states without citing that Hebrew University says something. Again, Rowan Robinson does not cite his source. Rabbi Kaplan state that some believe that it is hemp, but does not endorse that. Not to mention the difference between hemp and marijuana, hemp being a generic term for a whole class of plants. (Which you can figure out by trying to smoke a rope.) As for calamus, I've yet to have a mindbending reaction to calamine.
So, I'm done. If you want to believe it, talk to God cause I've said all I can.
I am somewhat intrigued here. I'm assuming you've never read The Great Book of Hemp, so how do you know whether Rowan Robinson cites a source or not?

True, Rabbi Kaplan does not mention one way or another his view on cannabis in that particular instance, but does mention that there are scholars who believe it is so, and in a publication in 1982, shortly before his death, he goes on to mention Jewish Kabbalistic writings that refer to the burning of certain grasses, which he considered to be psychedelic drugs.

Considering the context of the usage of the word hemp, I'm fairly certain they aren't talking about rope ;]

Whether you have had a mindbending reaction to calamine or not is irrelevant. Calamus is a psychoactive drug.

Should you like further references?

The German researcher Immanuel Low, in his DIE FLORA DER JUDEN (1926\1967) identified a number of ancient Hebrew references to cannabis, here as an incense, food source, as well as cloth, noting the keneh, and keneh bosem references amongst others in this regard independent of Benet . Interestingly, Immanuel Löw, referred to an ancient Jewish Passover recipe that called for wine to be mixed with ground up saffron and hasisat surur, which he saw as a “a kind of deck name for the resin the Cannabis sativa” (Low, 1924).


“ Around 1980, etymologists at Hebrew University in Jerusalem confirmed that cannabis is mentioned in the Bible by name, Kineboisin (also spelled Kannabosm), in a list of measured ingredients for “an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of apothecary’ to be smeared on the head. The word was mistranslated in king James version as ‘calamus’ ”(Latimer 1988)

“so-called IE root kanna… is admitted to be “of Semitic origin”….the IE word kannabis (hemp – a late IE word borrowed from an unknown source)” (Mozeson, 1989)….KANBOOS is an early post biblical term for hemp… The word HEMP is traced to Greek kannabis and Persian kannab… The ultimate etymon is conceded by Webster’s to be “a very early borrowing from a non-IE, possibly Semitic language…. In seeking related words… consider Aramaic… KENABH… and [Hebrew] KANEH…” (Mozeson, 1989)

Furthermore, cannabis is an aromatic plant. It was extremely popular in ancient cultures such as Assyria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, as an incense for the gods, much like cinnamon or myrrh. It is not a difficult stretch at all to believe that the Israelites took this aromatic herb and offered it up as incense, considering they were all common ingredients and I don't think that the Israelites had the same aversion you have to it being a "drug." To them it was just another aromatic herb to burn before God. And IF they did get high on it, no doubt they attributed it to God and thus the suspicion of it being some kind of mind-altering drug is avoided.
After all, myrrh was a drug. It was often mixed with wine and given to people to help ease their pain. I see no one here crying against myrrh being used as an incense to God, or as one of the three gifts given to Jesus at His birth. :]


Cannabis was also found in Israel in an archeological dig, dating back to the 4th century. Probably used as a medicine, as cannabis has a very long and quite commendable history as a pain reliever.

"An archeological dig in Bet Shemesh near Jerusalem has confirmed that cannabis medicine was in use in the area up until the fourth century. Thus it would seem to stand to reason that it was used for these purposes throughout the intervening Christian period. In the case of the Bet Shemesh dig, the cannabis had been used as an aid in child bearing, both as a healing balm and an inhalant. Scientists commenting on the find noted that cannabis was used as a medicine as early as the 16th century BC, in Egypt. (Abel 1980 This find garnered some attention, as can be seen from the Associated Press article, "Hashish evidence is 1,600 years old", that appeared in Vancouver newspaper The Province, on June 2, 1992: "...Archaeologists uncovered organic remains of a substance containing hashish, grasses and fruit on the abdominal area of a teenage female's skeleton that dates back to the fourth century...,Anthropologist Joel Zias said that although researchers knew hashish had been used as a medicine, this is the first archeological evidence." (Associated Press 1992).
 
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I was addicted to pot and I lived for it and smoked it all the time and took it as comfort. Theres demons for sure that fester around people who smoke it...and once i was filled with the Holy Spirit all desire left to touch it again... but if its not a habit or controlling you and will power is strong im not sure about that part
 
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God looked at His creation after He finished it and said it was good. He told Man he could eat of any seed-bearing plant. So, cannabis is a seed-bearing plant created by God. Morally, I see nothing wrong with a seed-bearing plant created by God which He said was good.

Yes God looked and declared that His creation was good...BEFORE mans fall...mans fall corrupted the whole earth.
God said man could EAT any seed bearing plant, not SMOKE it!
besides....I have never stated that smoking pot is a sin or that it is not..you do not know my views on it.

I understand that many of you don't think Christians should use marijuana, but should that elicite amusement from you when you are told that a Christian does use marijuana? Should it not instead elicite a response of sorrow that a brother in Christ is doing something that you view to be sinful?
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I have said that I also found your post funny and have explained why I thought it funny..it had nothing to do whether it was a sin or not...why you get so upset I don't know, sometimes when people post something and the way it is put into words and then read, it just comes across funny...lighten up!
Like I have said...because your post when I read it seemed funny has nothing to do with my views on pot which you don't even know...lighten up!
 
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I cant see why anyone smokes weed. Its illegal in most states in USA, but I feel that people dont care anyway. I personally have seen people's lives get ruined over marijuana and they will never live the same ever again. If you do pot, then you will get addicted. Its not something to mess around with. If you use it right now and arent addicted, then I would suggest you stop right away before you do. Also, I figure that the only reason to smoke weed in the first place, is because you arent walking in the word of God. Sure, ppl who say they are christian smoke weed all the time, but are they really legit? Okay, well answer me this....think about someone you have met or know that is the best example of a christian. Whether it be a pastor, friend, parent, stranger from work, what ever. Now ask yourself this question.."would they smoke pot or do they?" Your thinking...what does this have to do with anything? Well it means everything actually. If that person is the best example of living right in the word of God, that means you should be like them or even better. Why stoop lower than what God has planned for you? Keep your mind, body, and soul pointed in a positive direction towards God, instead of in the gutter. Thats my opinion on marijuana.
 
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lil-rush

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Yes God looked and declared that His creation was good...BEFORE mans fall...mans fall corrupted the whole earth.
God said man could EAT any seed bearing plant, not SMOKE it!
besides....I have never stated that smoking pot is a sin or that it is not..you do not know my views on it.
I tried to say "use" marijuana in every post I made when referring to it not being bad. If I slipped up once, I apologize. As is, I don't approve of smoking of any sort. It's not healthy to inhale smoke into your lungs. Someone can do that if they want to, but I wouldn't suggest it. When I talk about marijuana use not being bad, I'm generally thinking of people eating it (using it as an herb), not smoking it. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that point.

I was talking in generalities, or more specifically to Charisen. I never specifically said what you believe, because, as you pointed out, I have no earthly clue what you believe. I wasn't talking to you.

I have said that I also found your post funny and have explained why I thought it funny..it had nothing to do whether it was a sin or not...why you get so upset I don't know, sometimes when people post something and the way it is put into words and then read, it just comes across funny...lighten up!
Like I have said...because your post when I read it seemed funny has nothing to do with my views on pot which you don't even know...lighten up!
I was talking to Imoss. While I understand now what she was talking about, and realize my assumptions were off-base, that post was mainly directed at her. When I did said "many of you" take note, though, that once again I was talking in generalities. I used the phrase "many of you" because I am aware of the fact that not everyone thinks marijuana is bad.

In any case, if I don't understand why someone is laughing, it is not completely unusual to react incorrectly. This is the internet, comments are always misconstrued if the comment is not explained correctly. I am sure if Imoss had laughed in my presence, I would have understood why because we would have been face-to-face and she could have easily explained it.
 
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I was addicted to pot and I lived for it and smoked it all the time and took it as comfort. Theres demons for sure that fester around people who smoke it...and once i was filled with the Holy Spirit all desire left to touch it again... but if its not a habit or controlling you and will power is strong im not sure about that part
It could be compared to alcohol in the respect that it is a huge stumbling block for some people, and not a stumbling block at all for others.

For example, my sister drinks alcohol on occasion (mainly wine), but she has never gotten drunk or tipsy. She simply likes the flavor of it and drinks responsibly. (Yes, she is 22, so it is legal for her to drink). For others, though, if they drink alcohol they have a desire to get drunk, and they feel like they must drink it all the time. So, just because it causes one person to stumble, that does not mean my sister cannot drink it. She should not drink it in front of recovering alcoholics, obviously so as to not be a stumbling block to them, but she can drink it without being a sinner.

Likewise, some people can use marijuana on occasion, but not feel a need to have it all the time or lead a reckless life because of it. Others will use marijuana and be unable to use it responsibly. This does not mean it is evil for everyone. It just means some people should abstain from it.

Of course, it is also a personal choice. Just because it is not bad does not mean you must use it. Not everyone has a taste for it, just like not everyone has a taste for alcohol. No one should be forced or guilted into using marijuana. If they don't want to, they don't have to.
 
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It could be compared to alcohol in the respect that it is a huge stumbling block for some people, and not a stumbling block at all for others.


Likewise, some people can use marijuana on occasion, but not feel a need to have it all the time or lead a reckless life because of it. Others will use marijuana and be unable to use it responsibly. This does not mean it is evil for everyone. It just means some people should abstain from it.

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You use alcohol as an example to compare to marijuana. Okay, then lets look at the scriptures (since they're never wrong). Jesus said it's okay to drink, but not to get drunk. Why? Because when you're drunk (not when you nessisarly drink, but in the drunk state) you do not have full control over your mind. You are agreeing that being drunk is a sin, right? We are in agreement? We know why it's a sin? Okay. Now lets look at marijuana. If Jesus said, you can smoke marijuana, but only if you dont get high- well...you can't smoke marijuana without getting high. Its a sin to get high the same reason it's a sin to be drunk: You dont have full control of your mind. And if you do smoke marijuana and do have full control of your mind, well then you're not really high now, are you?
If you have an alternative reason for the reason Jesus said "dont get drunk" please let me know. Otherwise, this is irrefutable.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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wrong zeppelin

you CAN smoke marijuana without getting high... The first time I tried it, it affected me LESS than an average cigarette!
 
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Graybeard

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You use alcohol as an example to compare to marijuana. Okay, then lets look at the scriptures (since they're never wrong). Jesus said it's okay to drink, but not to get drunk. Why? Because when you're drunk (not when you nessisarly drink, but in the drunk state) you do not have full control over your mind. You are agreeing that being drunk is a sin, right? We are in agreement? We know why it's a sin? Okay. Now lets look at marijuana. If Jesus said, you can smoke marijuana, but only if you dont get high- well...you can't smoke marijuana without getting high. Its a sin to get high the same reason it's a sin to be drunk: You dont have full control of your mind. And if you do smoke marijuana and do have full control of your mind, well then you're not really high now, are you?
If you have an alternative reason for the reason Jesus said "dont get drunk" please let me know. Otherwise, this is irrefutable.
she is talking about using it more as a herb of soughts...not smoking it as is done traditionally...big difference.

wrong zeppelin

you CAN smoke marijuana without getting high... The first time I tried it, it affected me LESS than an average cigarette!
you were duped...no way that can happen, you most likely did not inhale it although you thought you were.
 
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You use alcohol as an example to compare to marijuana. Okay, then lets look at the scriptures (since they're never wrong). Jesus said it's okay to drink, but not to get drunk. Why? Because when you're drunk (not when you nessisarly drink, but in the drunk state) you do not have full control over your mind. You are agreeing that being drunk is a sin, right? We are in agreement? We know why it's a sin? Okay. Now lets look at marijuana. If Jesus said, you can smoke marijuana, but only if you dont get high- well...you can't smoke marijuana without getting high. Its a sin to get high the same reason it's a sin to be drunk: You dont have full control of your mind. And if you do smoke marijuana and do have full control of your mind, well then you're not really high now, are you?
If you have an alternative reason for the reason Jesus said "dont get drunk" please let me know. Otherwise, this is irrefutable.
Paul was the one who said to be filled with the Spirit, not with wine. In a funny truth of the scripture, the second thing that Noah did after the flood was over was to plant a vineyard and make wine and get drunk. He passed out in his tent naked. And the interesting thing, God said nothing about it.

God is not against our having fun, nor against our enjoying ourselves, nor against our feeling good and being relaxed. When I meditate on Him, I experience a high which leaves grass and booze in the dust. When I experience His presence, I am high for hours or even days.

If I am convicted in my heart by what I do, then I am condemned and miserable. If I am not convicted in what I do, in what I allow, then I am blessed, for I have come to understand that there is therefore now, no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Jesus drank with the sinners and publicans, and spent time with the prostitutes. And you know what, He was not condemned in one thing He did or allowed. I wonder if that should be our example.

In His peace,
 
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Graybeard

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you are not insinuating that He had relations with prostitutes...are you?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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this might be slightly off topic, but what about when people have intercourse and achieve orgasm? (not talking random sex her, but between husband and wife) is that bad too? it does (I would assume) take away control....
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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Paul was the one who said to be filled with the Spirit, not with wine. In a funny truth of the scripture, the second thing that Noah did after the flood was over was to plant a vineyard and make wine and get drunk. He passed out in his tent naked. And the interesting thing, God said nothing about it.

God is not against our having fun, nor against our enjoying ourselves, nor against our feeling good and being relaxed. When I meditate on Him, I experience a high which leaves grass and booze in the dust. When I experience His presence, I am high for hours or even days.

If I am convicted in my heart by what I do, then I am condemned and miserable. If I am not convicted in what I do, in what I allow, then I am blessed, for I have come to understand that there is therefore now, no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Jesus drank with the sinners and publicans, and spent time with the prostitutes. And you know what, He was not condemned in one thing He did or allowed. I wonder if that should be our example.

In His peace,
Well God is the same yesterday, today and forever. To say that "God said nothing about it" for Noah, would mean that God is a liar. Just because it isn't recorded in the Bible doesn't mean that the act itself didn't grieve the Spirit. You can't know that Noah woke up and asked for God's forgiveness. I doubt God's immediate reactions are recorded in the Bible every time someone in the Bible lied, cheated, or stole. We just know it's not in God's will and He doesn't favor it. In the scriptures the Lord clearly....by clearly, I mean really clearly, states that it is wrong to be drunk.
By contrast, just because Jesus hung out with some colorful characters doesn't mean He was doing what they were doing. That's what it means to be set apart from the world, and not to be of the world. The Lord reached out to them for those same reasons, because he loved the sinner. It's impossible to be condemned personally for the acts of others. That is why He wasn't.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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this might be slightly off topic, but what about when people have intercourse and achieve orgasm? (not talking random sex her, but between husband and wife) is that bad too? it does (I would assume) take away control....
I dont see how an act of love, ordained by God, would be a sin. And I'm not sure how to ask what you'd be loosing control of without getting a vivid mental picture I'd rather not.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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she is talking about using it more as a herb of soughts...not smoking it as is done traditionally...big difference.

If you consume it you consume it. Im not sure how it wouldn't be the same as traditional smoking.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I dont see how an act of love, ordained by God, would be a sin. And I'm not sure how to ask what you'd be loosing control of without getting a vivid mental picture I'd rather not.
I have never had sex, but isn't that what an orgasm is, loosing control?

God also made the cannabis plant... so that is no excuse
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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When you have an orgasm, its just something that feels good, which is also why it's called a climax. I dont think I ever thought of it as loosing control. I'm pretty sure it can be disrupted given the right circumstances. Besides which, it's a personal feeling, not something you ingest orally or otherwise to alter your state of mind. Totally different.
Also if you're implying that things like a plant has the power to get you high, and that its used as medicine or whatnot, I'd have to be more specific on my opinion. The argument is doing these things recreationally, and not for medicinal purposes. To be high on purpose is to escape, to be high because youre in pain or need it medically is a nessesity. Also God made poppy plants (heroin). Doesn't mean people use it for the right reasons. Again, recreational is the key word here.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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as with any other thing

but think about this (as many seem to think drinking is ok):
drinking two beer can make you "drunk" enpugh to get in a car accident you wouldn't if you had a normal reaction time, but most people are not concidered druunk after two beer...

It seems like we all defend what we think is ok, but everything we DON'T do is a sin :p
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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as with any other thing

but think about this (as many seem to think drinking is ok):
drinking two beer can make you "drunk" enpugh to get in a car accident you wouldn't if you had a normal reaction time, but most people are not concidered druunk after two beer...

It seems like we all defend what we think is ok, but everything we DON'T do is a sin :p
haha many people THINK they're not drunk and they are (just call up a couple of my buds on a saturday night). After two beers, I am drunk. That's why I only drink one. Everyone's body chemistry is different that's why it's important to know your limits.
You're right- I have no idea why people are defending an illegal drug that makes them high but goes into hysterics over x and y and z sin.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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my point was just as much the other way, many of those against it here defends other things :p

I've smoked hash, but I'd never buy it or deal it. ever. and I know it's s stupid thing to do unless one needs it.
that's why I compare it to being drunk, cept, obviously hash/ weed is illegal most places.

I still think nicotine should be banned too, and perhaps even alcohol, since most people CAN'T stop. but that would be an uproar hehe