Marks Gospel

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Who is John Mark?

Wouldn't his name have been John Zebedee the son of Mary. So that would debunk the story that Salome was the wife of Zebedee the father of James and John.

And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying. Acts 12:12

Yet that there are only two people who could have testified falsely that Jesus ever make a statement regarding the destruction of the temple building.. That would have been John, James who were with also with Peter when Jesus was arrested.

So you like random facts?
acts 12:12 "And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of JOHN, whose surname was MARK; where many were gathered together praying."


just like saul became paul, simon became peter, abram becam abraham ect..... John mark was peters companion and apparently a pretty involved member of the early Church. He wrote Peters account of the gospel because peter didnt know how to write in Greek...Mark was written to Gentile audiences.

im not sure about the story of salome what ur saying lol never even heard the name salome. or the story ur refering to.

mark is mentioned several times in acts, He is mentioned in colossians and second timothy, and i think in philemon and also 1st peter when peter refers to Him as " my son" in the same way paul speaks of timothy as His son, in the faith you have to go apocryphal to get any more mentions of mark, and early church History where He appears to be pretty important.

so ? peter wasnt with Jesus when He was arrested? I thought the disciples were sleeping there?

Matthew26:37"And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. "

and this part im noit at all getting what ur trying to say lol

"Yet that there are only two people who could have testified falsely that Jesus ever make a statement regarding the destruction of the temple building.. That would have been John, James"

not catching ur point with the last part there about the temple

Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; 60But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses, 61And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. "


are you saying that james and john went and falsely testified against Jesus lol? you definately lost me with this one. sorry man it must have went over my head i do yeah i like random facts......
 

p_rehbein

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#22
Regarding the Gospel of Mark. It is a lot more than just a collection of what Peter preached. While most agree that Mark used Peter's preachings as a reference, his Gospel is also the Inspired Word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit.

One Article I like has a fairly good discussion on all of this:

Gospel of Mark | Theopedia


[h=2]Author[/h][FONT=&quot]Strictly speaking, the work is anonymous, in that no claim of authorship is inherently made within the letter itself. However, there is evidence both in Scripture and in history to support John Mark, cousin of Barnabas (Colossians 4:10), early traveling companion of Paul (Acts 12:25), and spiritual son of Peter (I Peter 5:13) as the author of the gospel.

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[h=2]Purpose[/h][FONT=&quot]According to the apostle Paul, every word of Scripture is inspired and "is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16). It follows that God would have caused Mark to write a narrative not merely to chronicle a series of events, but rather to build a theological argument allowing the man of God to "be competent, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:17). Two of the other gospel writers elucidate their reasons explicitly within their text -- Luke states his intent "to write an orderly account" that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught" (Luke 1:3-4), and John explains that "these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31). Mark, however leaves only implicit clues as to his main purpose for writing.

As to the OP question. I believe Scripture tells us that Jesus had to suffer all that mankind will suffer, and He overcame the world. All of the temptations, sufferings..........and He took the sins of the world upon Himself to be our Savior.

His being tempted in the desert serves to show us that "with Him" we too can overcome all temptations that beset us and try to tear us from His loving hands.

(my thoughts on that)

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FreeNChrist

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In discussion of Marks Gospel, it had been noted that demons address Jesus, fall to His feet, and call Him Son of God. (As in Chapter 5, with the man in the tombs, and the demons known as "legion" asked to be transfered into the bodies of the pigs.) Further on in discussion it was said that if we become children of God, the Holy Spirit enters our soul and protects us from demons trying to occupy us . (Because Holy Spirit won't allow a demon in to be a room mate) Holy Spirit can protect us and comfort and encourage us. My question is then, why did Jesus suffer temptations in both the desert and the Garden when He prayed before His crucifixion? Why did He suffer these agonies that Holy Spirit is sent down to help us with? Why are we offered the protections of Holy Spirit when we give ourselves to God, but the Son of God Himself had to fight against these strongest temptations?
Temptation is not possession.
 

Roughsoul1991

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hahaha thats great lol.

i remeber reading when John and umm i think peter were flogged in acts and they went away rejoicing for being considered worthy to suffer for the way i was young so i was like..."wait...what?! that doesnt sound too good of a reward for preaching the gospel" of course now days i get it. Theyu Had walked with Jesus, there was nooooo getting them down they saw His miracles, they saw Him transfigured, saw Him suffer shame, beatings, floggings, insults, mocking, they saw Him be spit on, they saw Him nailed to the cross........and yep they sat and ate with Him AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!! a little flogging or beating almost to death wasnt gonna get to em....

i think back ten years comparing that to me screaming at the other drivers and letting a grumpy boss or something ruin my joy....... essh!

in all seriousness though to recognize the absolute awe they had for Jesus, to see thier commitment to Him only furthers How true what they saw really was and how convinced they were of Jesus, Son of God and Savior of mankind. that bible is goooooooood medicine !

The letter below gives us some detail on early Christians lifestyle and a Christians faith.

[FONT=&quot]Pliny the Younger was governor of Pontus and Bithynia from 111-113 CE. We have a whole set of exchanges of his letters with [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the emperor[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Trajan on a variety of administrative political matters. These two letters are the most famous, in which Pliny the Younger encounters Christianity for the first time.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.


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[FONT=&quot]Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.


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[FONT=&quot]They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition.[/FONT]


Another cool account
on early Christian faith.


Tertullian is a trustworthy witness of these things. In the Apology for the Faith, which he addressed to the Roman Senate, and which work we have already mentioned, he confirms the history with greater and stronger proofs. He writes that there are still extant letters of the most intelligent Emperor Marcus in which he testifies that his army, being on the point of perishing with thirst in Germany, was saved by the prayers of the Christians.

The lightning drove the enemy to flight and destruction, but a shower refreshed the army of those who had called on God, all of whom had been on the point of perishing with thirst.
 
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BeyondET

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Mark was Captain Crunch, seems the Gentiles he was speaking to had a short attention spand thus short and sweet.
 

Adstar

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In discussion of Marks Gospel, it had been noted that demons address Jesus, fall to His feet, and call Him Son of God. (As in Chapter 5, with the man in the tombs, and the demons known as "legion" asked to be transfered into the bodies of the pigs.) Further on in discussion it was said that if we become children of God, the Holy Spirit enters our soul and protects us from demons trying to occupy us . (Because Holy Spirit won't allow a demon in to be a room mate) Holy Spirit can protect us and comfort and encourage us. My question is then, why did Jesus suffer temptations in both the desert and the Garden when He prayed before His crucifixion? Why did He suffer these agonies that Holy Spirit is sent down to help us with? Why are we offered the protections of Holy Spirit when we give ourselves to God, but the Son of God Himself had to fight against these strongest temptations?

At No time was Jesus Ever possesed by demons.
.. I cannot stress that enough..


Yeah satan made a pathetic doomed from the very start attempt to tempt Jesus to serve him.. But Jesus never sinned.. satans attempt failed totally..

Jesus brushed aside those temptations with ease.. I believe satan really did not know who he was dealing with.. But the first chapter of the Book of Revelation reveals just who Jesus is.. :D
 
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BeyondET

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John Mark, whose given name was John but whose Latin surname was Mark, was the son of a wealthy family of Christians in Jerusalem. It seems he was reared in an atmosphere of culture and piety. Evidently younger than the apostles, at the time he wrote his gospel, he was most likely the youngest of the writers of the New Testament.
Mark was the son of Mary, a friend of the apostles (Acts 12:12). Barnabas, Paul’s friend and traveling companion, was his cousin (Colossians 4:10). He was well-known to the disciples in Jerusalem. He worked with Paul and Barnabas and was said to have worked with the apostle Peter who referred to him as his “son” (1 Peter 5:13). He went with Paul and Barnabas on their first preaching journey but turned back in Asia Minor returning to Jerusalem (Acts 13:13). On the second trip, after Paul determined not to have him along, he and Barnabas sailed to Cyprus (Acts 15:36-41). He is mentioned some ten years later when in 2 Timothy 4:11 Paul commands Timothy to get Mark and bring him to Rome.
Mark supposedly died by being “dragged to pieces by the people of Alexandria, at the great solemnity of Serapis their idol” (Fox’s Book of Martyrs, Zondervan Pub. Co., Grand Rapids, 1975, p. 3).