Mary as the mother of God?

[Scotth1960]

Dear Zilla64007, The heretic Nestorius also said we should call Mary "Christotokos" rather than "Theotokos". Since the Church cannot err, any argument against the Church's faith (Jude 3) is an argument against Jesus Christ. Christ founded His Church as the guardian of the Truth (1 Tim. 3:15). The Church long ago already decided these matters, so we do not need to try to re-invent the wheel and interpret the Bible any way we please, any way we see fit. "Before Cyril, Mary was nothing more than another person", is an error. Mary has always been called "blessed" among women, from Saint Elizabeth in the New Testament, up to the present day in the Greek Orthodox Church. It is the error of the Antidicomarianites around 200 AD that views Mary as "just another woman".
It is true that the Church Fathers did not view Mary as born without sin. The immaculate conception of Mary is a Roman Catholic innovation, not an Orthodox Christian teaching. The modern Evangelical disrespect and dishonor against Mary, however, was not taught in the early Church. It's a modern heresy, to fail to bless the ever-virgin Mary, holy Theotokos and Mother of God.
God bless you always in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS To fail to learn from history is to teach the heresy of Nestorius the heretic, who said Christ is 2 persons: one human, the other divine, that Mary should be called "Christotokos" rather than "Theotokos."

scripture points to her being the mother of God the Son, or Christ.
her name should not be "Theotokos", but "Christotokos"

in fact... Theotokos does NOT mean "Mother of God"... the original Greek translation is simply "God-bearer", and it was ONLY used as a title for Mary by 4th century writers.
in the post-Nicene Latin speaking church, Theotokos was rendered Dei Genitrix, which means "Mother of God"

it was Cyril of Alexandria that gave her this name during the First Council of Ephesus in 431. Before Cyril, Mary was nothing more than another person.

after reading all accounts concerning Mary from Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, Methodius, and Alexander of Alexandria (...because i know you Catholics looove your church leaders and your saints...), they all mention Mary, the mother of Jesus, AS A SIMPLE WOMAN... not perfect, not born sinless, or any other Roman Catholic dogmatic belief instated by the Roman Church. ALL of them expressed that she was simply the mother of Jesus.

later, though, in the third century, Tertullian, Origin, and Methodius were defending the virgin birth and Jesus having a natural mother, because in the 3rd Centuiry, Marcion, among others, were claiming that Mary was not the natural mother of Christ. Therefore, these above mentioned wrote defenses for Mary in support of her being Jesus's natural mother, but NEVER ONCE gave her special attention as modern Roman Catholics do today.

 

[Scotth1960]

If Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is

the Mother of God. The term protects the Divinity of Christ. She did not cause His Divinity.

But His Divinity is united to His humanity in His conception, so she brought God the Son into

the world. She did not cause Him to exist; she merely is the vessel the Father used to bring

for His Son, God manifest in the flesh through the body of the Virgin Mary. Take care.


Scott . Erie

Dear Cleante, and Zossima. God bless you. God grant you many years. Dear Zone,

Eternallygratefull, Zackabba, and other friends. God bless you. God grant you many

years.

More on the Ever-Virgin Mary:

"The THEOTOKOS as Mediatress"

"Thy name, O Mary, is a precious ointment, which breathes forth the fragrance of divine

grace. Let this ointment of salvation enter the innermost recesses of our souls." -- Saint

Ambrose (339 AD to 397 AD)".

"What then of Mary Theotokos as Mediatress? What is the significance of Orthodox

Christians changing hymns such as the following from the Paracletike: Unto thee do I

ever ascribe my salvation; in thee do I hope to be saved. O all-holy Virgin, Do thou,

therefore, snatch me out of every harm, corruption, passion, and unexpected evil?" The

answer arises from the life and practice of the Church, for historical evidence will be found

in the inspired writings, hymns and iconography of Orthodoxy. All the saints held the

commons truths of the faith about the Theotokos and cherished devotion towards her. In

each case greater or less emphasis arises from temperament, character, vocation and

circumstance. Yet, there was always a universal consciousness of her personality and

power.


"A mediator or mediatress, in religion, is one who acts as an intermediary between God

and man. Christ is the perfect Mediator as the Son of God and true Man, for He partakes

of both natures. Saint John Chrysostom (354 AD - 407 AD) comments that "Christ would

no longer be a mediator, if He were connected with one (nature) but separated from the

other."

"However, Christ also works and rests in His saints, thus, vouchsafing them the role of

mediator or mediatress. Therefore, when we read the words of St. Pal that "there is one

God and one (eis) Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave

Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:5-6), we understand the use of the word "one" as

emphasizing our Saviour's transcendence as a Mediator. The word "one" was translated

from the Greek word "eis" meaning the number "one", and not "monos" meaning "only"

or "alone". We also must understand the context of this verse by the Apostle's verses

preceding it. Saint John Chrysostom remarks that the divine Paul is referring to the

salvation of the heathen, when he wrote: "(God, our Saviour), Who will have all men to be

saved, and come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:3-4). Hence, when the

Apostle is speaking of the perfect Mediator, he is referring to the unique value of Christ's

redemptive death. Christ, since He is true God and true Man, is the only ransom for the

Jew and Gentile alike." ..." (pages 507-508: THE LIFE OF THE VIRGIN MARY, THE

THEOTOKOS. Published by Holy Apostles Convent and Dormition Skete, Buena Vista, CO

81211, Copyright 1989. ).

Dear friends,

Thus, we see from the use of the word eis and not monos, Christ alone is not the sole or

only Mediator. He is one Mediator, the Principle Mediator; there are other mediators or

mediatresses through Christ, the only Almighty Mediator. There are many intercessors

through (in) Christ Jesus: Christ IN all of His Saints; the Saints mediate and intercede with

Christ, Who is the One Mediator between God and Men: The Man Jesus Christ.


God save us all, in Christ Jesus. Through the prayers of Thy Most Pure Mother, LORD

JESUS CHRIST, Son of GOD, have mercy upon us: AMEN. In Erie PA July 9/22, 2011 AD

Scott R. Harrington

 

[Zilla64007]

excuse me, but the church CAN err... it erred when it taught the roman church was the final say-so in everything, and it erred when it said the pope was perfect and infallible.

the ONLY thing that never errs is the scripture... John Wesley said it perfectly:
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church."

 

[SantoSubito]

excuse me, but the church CAN err... it erred when it taught the roman church was the final say-so in everything, and it erred when it said the pope was perfect and infallible.

the ONLY thing that never errs is the scripture... John Wesley said it perfectly:
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church."

But apparently men can err, so you have a fallible interpreter of an infallible document. And, if you would be so kind, can you tell me how that has worked out for protestantism in it's brief history?

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

really?... is there a proof for this?

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[Scotth1960]

excuse me, but the church CAN err... it erred when it taught the roman church was the final say-so in everything, and it erred when it said the pope was perfect and infallible.

the ONLY thing that never errs is the scripture... John Wesley said it perfectly:
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church."

Dear Zilla,
1 Timothy 3:15 says the Church is the "pillar and ground of the truth". It doesn't say anything about the Church erring.
Individuals can err. Individuals are not the Church. There are individuals in the Church, but no individual in the Church is the "vicar (substitute) of Christ". St. Peter himself erred, and was corrected by St. Paul.
The Church did not teach that the "roman church was the final say". The Roman church taught falsely it was the only church. The true Church did not err. The popes of Rome erred.
John Wesley also erred. Wesley's quote is false. The Church is judged by God. The Church is the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), and thus the Church tells what the Scriptures mean. The Church does not judge. The Church knows what the Scriptures mean (John 16:13).
God bless all of us. Amen. In Erie Scott Harrington
PS The only One Who can not err is God. Individuals can err in their translations of Scripture. Only the original Scripture is Scripture without error.

 

[Zilla64007]

But apparently men can err, so you have a fallible interpreter of an infallible document. And, if you would be so kind, can you tell me how that has worked out for protestantism in it's brief history?

dont start on fallible people, because your popes of the Dark Ages were as wicked as they could get, and yet your religion says they were still infallible

at least the Protestants went back to scripture alone, without relying on people such as the heretic Augustine, or other Catholic bishops after him... oh by the way, how did all those killings via the Papal Inquisition fill out fo rya, or the Spanish Jesuits for that matter, or the mass murders of French Calvinists during the Reformation, or the beheadings of those in the dark Ages who didn't follow the Roman Catholic Church?... or how bout the involvement of the Roman Catholic Church of the support of Adolf Hitler, who heartlessly murdered the Jews?... your religion just got worse as time went on. and not to mention the interesting little sex scandals of the bishops within Roman Catholicism... dont even start, santo. Your religion's history is no better.

and when it comes to John Wesley, I'll take his word over your pope any day of the week.

that's interesting, scotth, because the entire Roman Catholic church in is error, with it's works based salvation, penance, indulgences, praying to Mary, praying to saints, relics, papal infallibility, and removing the 2nd commandment from the Bible...

the Bible says to contend for the faith that was once delivered unto all the saints... from studying church history, neither the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic church ever got it right.

 

[Zilla64007]

Dear Zilla,
1 Timothy 3:15 says the Church is the "pillar and ground of the truth". It doesn't say anything about the Church erring.
Individuals can err. Individuals are not the Church. There are individuals in the Church, but no individual in the Church is the "vicar (substitute) of Christ". St. Peter himself erred, and was corrected by St. Paul.
The Church did not teach that the "roman church was the final say". The Roman church taught falsely it was the only church. The true Church did not err. The popes of Rome erred.
John Wesley also erred. Wesley's quote is false. The Church is judged by God. The Church is the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), and thus the Church tells what the Scriptures mean. The Church does not judge. The Church knows what the Scriptures mean (John 16:13).
God bless all of us. Amen. In Erie Scott Harrington
PS The only One Who can not err is God. Individuals can err in their translations of Scripture. Only the original Scripture is Scripture without error.

only individuals can err... just like the pope.
but wait. for you catholics, he's perfect and infallible.
Catholicism is nothing but idol worship.

 

[NC4JC]

Actually saying Mary is the mother of God is totally blasphemous. As God himself created Mary not Mary bringing God into this world. Actually, the only part Mary plays in the whole of this is to carry Jesus in the womb for months and deliver him.. Every other thing was done by God...

And Mary was chosen not because anything was special about her or because she was Holy,it's because she was divinely favored by God (Luke 1:28). Did God choose Paul because he was Holy?, NO!. Paul was actually a prosecutor of the Church.. God will not choose anybody because he or she is Holy, God will choose anybody he pleases, irrespective of their present physical or spiritual life.. (Jer1:5,1Cor1: 27-30)

God Bless. Amen!

Right on Tobby, Agreed!

 

[TheTruthWillSetYouFree]

I'm not sure if this verse has already been posted but:

" 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”" (Matthew 12:46-50)

We notice that Jesus Christ, God the Son Himself, does not look at His mother as His equal - which He would do if:
a) Jesus Christ was just a human, like His mother
b) Jesus Christ was human and God, like His mother.

However, we know it is neither of those scenarios. Jesus Christ says that anyone who does the will of His Father is his mother. In which case, I am His mother! I am His sister, His brother, His relative, His kinsman.

While Mary certainly had an important role, she was Not God. She was the biological mother of the human nature of Christ - but she did not give Christ His divinity - or else Christ would have been created by a lowly human!

Man invents God? This sounds like a terrible agnostic theory.

So, if Jesus Christ does not look at His mother as His equal, we understand that either:
a) Jesus Christ is a human, Mary is human & God
b) Jesus Christ is human & God, Mary is a human

We know it is "b" because we know that Jesus Christ is fully human and fully God (the hypostatic union). However, he downgrades His mother's "status" and "importance" so that literally all Christians are His mother (and brother and sister).

So, if you call Jesus's mother "divine", then you are calling yourself divine. All of His followers are His mother - and if His mother is God, then His followers are God. But how can followers of God be God? This is a contradiction - therefore Mary cannot be divine.

 

[Loloy]

Clearly you have not read scripture then. Because if you did, you would see that Jesus held Mary as more than a legal mother. At the wedding feast at Cana, He says my time has not come, and Mary simply says do whatever He tells you. And, although Jesus was resistant at first, once His mother tells Him, He makes the wine. So clearly she is not just a legal mother. Also, the Church doesn't worship Mary, we ask her intercession. At the wedding feast, the servants go to Mary first. If we look at this passage in a shallow sense, we can say, awe, what a nice miracle. But if we look deeper, we see a model for us. The servants went to Mary, and Mary went to her son. He was hesitant but it was because SHE had asked Him that he did it. In the same way we can ask Mary to pray for us, and she will take our prayers to God. Just as we ask each other to pray for us, we can also ask the saints to pray for us, especially the mother of Jesus. Although she didn't make Jesus God, she still shares in Him in a very special way. Notice Jesus is said as a king. And the mother of kings throughout the old testament is referred to as the queen. So is it a stretch to call Mary queen. Not by her own power, but by the power of Jesus. Jesus loved her. He was fully flesh and he loved his mother as someone of fully flesh. Just because He was God and conceived by the Holy Spirit, doesn't mean he just pushed his mother off because "she didn't have anything to do with Him being God". No he loved her dearly, and he will love her forever as His mother. And he gives her to us as our mother when he say son behold your mother and mother behold your son. He wasn't just talking to John, he was talking about all of us.

The question is do we need Mary to intercede for us? If you like the long way (if there is) then go on.

Take note:
John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (Jesus is the only way - no need for another mediator)

and if your hesitant to drew near to Jesus:
John 6:37 - All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
(I believe Jesus' words is true, and He is accessible; i can go directly to Him - no need for another mediator)

That's it for now, be right back (i can show you more proof that we don't need any other mediator and God has no mother at all)... The statement above i imply just simply suggest that Jesus is our only way to drew near to God.

 

[SantoSubito]

dont start on fallible people, because your popes of the Dark Ages were as wicked as they could get, and yet your religion says they were still infallible

I'm pretty sure your thinking of a few of the Renaissence popes. But it appears you don't know what papal infallibility is, not that it matters since that wasn't the infallibility I was referring to.

at least the Protestants went back to scripture alone, without relying on people such as the heretic Augustine, or other Catholic bishops after him...

Hmm, Augustine a heretic, them be fightin words.

oh by the way, how did all those killings via the Papal Inquisition fill out fo rya,

It was called the Spanish inquisition. And you'll be happy to know that the people intentionally tried to get a tried by the inquisitors, since they were much more mercifully than the Spanish Kings Inquisition.

or the mass murders of French Calvinists during the Reformation,

I wouldn't call it mass murder. France was in a civil war at this time because of these French Calvinist. That being said Calvin was none too friendly with anyone that didn't agree with him when he was in power in Geneva. Neither was England very friendly to Catholics, frequently having them killed and such.

or how bout the involvement of the Roman Catholic Church of the support of Adolf Hitler, who heartlessly murdered the Jews?...

That my friend is a myth the Pope did not support the Nazis. But he couldn't do that much since he was trapped in the middle of fascist Italy, an ally of Nazi Germany.

your religion just got worse as time went on. and not to mention the interesting little sex scandals of the bishops within Roman Catholicism... dont even start, santo. Your religion's history is no better.

I seem to recall a study that found out that the abuse rate among Protestant clergy is higher than among Catholic clergy. But do you want to know why the RCC caught so much flack for it? It's because were a monolith, were a single Church. "Baptist church abuses children" is not a headline because your not centralized, but "Catholic Church abuses children" is.

and when it comes to John Wesley, I'll take his word over your pope any day of the week.

and removing the 2nd commandment from the Bible...

We never removed the second commandment.

the Bible says to contend for the faith that was once delivered unto all the saints... from studying church history, neither the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic church ever got it right.

You can look at church history and you won't find anything resembling protestantism there.

That being said, maybe you would address my point (which is a valid one) instead of just diverting the issue by throwing personal attacks at me and the Catholic Church.

 

[SantoSubito]

I'm not sure if this verse has already been posted but:

" 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”" (Matthew 12:46-50)

We notice that Jesus Christ, God the Son Himself, does not look at His mother as His equal - which He would do if:
a) Jesus Christ was just a human, like His mother
b) Jesus Christ was human and God, like His mother.

However, we know it is neither of those scenarios. Jesus Christ says that anyone who does the will of His Father is his mother. In which case, I am His mother! I am His sister, His brother, His relative, His kinsman.

While Mary certainly had an important role, she was Not God. She was the biological mother of the human nature of Christ - but she did not give Christ His divinity - or else Christ would have been created by a lowly human!

Man invents God? This sounds like a terrible agnostic theory.

So, if Jesus Christ does not look at His mother as His equal, we understand that either:
a) Jesus Christ is a human, Mary is human & God
b) Jesus Christ is human & God, Mary is a human

We know it is "b" because we know that Jesus Christ is fully human and fully God (the hypostatic union). However, he downgrades His mother's "status" and "importance" so that literally all Christians are His mother (and brother and sister).

So, if you call Jesus's mother "divine", then you are calling yourself divine. All of His followers are His mother - and if His mother is God, then His followers are God. But how can followers of God be God? This is a contradiction - therefore Mary cannot be divine.

That wold make sense if you started on the proper premise, but you didn't. We don't view Mary as divine (in the sense of a deity).

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

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[TheTruthWillSetYouFree]

That wold make sense if you started on the proper premise, but you didn't. We don't view Mary as divine (in the sense of a deity).

So you agree that Mary is the biological mother of the human nature of Jesus, but nothing more. Anything else implies deity.

 

[TheTruthWillSetYouFree]

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As I just showed in my 2nd last post (not this one, not the one before, but the one before THAT) Mary cannot be divine.

" 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”" (Matthew 12:46-50)

We notice that Jesus Christ, God the Son Himself, does not look at His mother as His equal - which He would do if:
a) Jesus Christ was just a human, like His mother
b) Jesus Christ was human and God, like His mother.

However, we know it is neither of those scenarios. Jesus Christ says that anyone who does the will of His Father is his mother. In which case, I am His mother! I am His sister, His brother, His relative, His kinsman.

While Mary certainly had an important role, she was Not God. She was the biological mother of the human nature of Christ - but she did not give Christ His divinity - or else Christ would have been created by a lowly human!

Man invents God? This sounds like a terrible agnostic theory.

So, if Jesus Christ does not look at His mother as His equal, we understand that either:
a) Jesus Christ is a human, Mary is human & God
b) Jesus Christ is human & God, Mary is a human

We know it is "b" because we know that Jesus Christ is fully human and fully God (the hypostatic union). However, he downgrades His mother's "status" and "importance" so that literally all Christians are His mother (and brother and sister).

So, if you call Jesus's mother "divine", then you are calling yourself divine. All of His followers are His mother - and if His mother is God, then His followers are God. But how can followers of God be God? This is a contradiction - therefore Mary cannot be divine.""

Mary is simply an instrument used by God for a very important purpose: but she contributed nothing more than her egg (her "seed", as per. Gen 3:15).

 

[SantoSubito]

So you agree that Mary is the biological mother of the human nature of Jesus, but nothing more. Anything else implies deity.

In the sense that she contributed half of her DNA to his body yes. But you must remember the divine and human natures of Christ are one; they are not separate.

 

[TheTruthWillSetYouFree]

In the sense that she contributed half of her DNA to his body yes. But you must remember the divine and human natures of Christ are one; they are not separate.

Yes, the hypostatic union. I am glad that you agree that Mary was only human, unlike so many other Roman Catholics.

Of course, the important issues are the ones pertaining to your salvation:

-Salvation through FAITH BY GRACE not WORKS
(Romans 4:2-3), (Galatians 3:10-11), (Habakkuk 2:4), (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Of course, this is a matter for another thread.

 

[SantoSubito]

Yes, the hypostatic union. I am glad that you agree that Mary was only human, unlike so many other Roman Catholics.

Of course, the important issues are the ones pertaining to your salvation:

-Salvation through FAITH BY GRACE not WORKS
(Romans 4:2-3), (Galatians 3:10-11), (Habakkuk 2:4), (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Of course, this is a matter for another thread.

Well no Catholic I've ever met perceive her as divine.

 

[Katy-follower]

(Nowhere does the Bible say Mary was greater than any other Christian, she was just a human like all of us)


Matthew 12:46-49: "While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers!"


Mark 3:31-35: "Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.” But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”


Luke 8:19-21: "Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.” But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”




(The Bible says everyone has sinned, which includes Mary)

Romans 5:12-13: "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law"


1 Kings 8:46: "When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to the land of the enemy, far or near;"


1 John 1:8-10: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"


Psalm 53:3: "Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one"

Jesus is the only person who has not sinned, and Jesus was God.



(Mary admits she is a sinner and needs a savior, as she called God her savior)

Luke 1:46-47: "And Mary said: “ My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior"



(God does not have a mother, for God already existed before Mary existed. Mary was not God's mother, but simply a way through which Jesus entered this physical world)

Isaiah 43:10: “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me"



(Mary had no power and still doesn't. She was a sinner, just like us)

Luke 2:50: “But they (both Mary and Joseph) did not understand the words he spoke to them.” - Notice in both accounts Mary does not understand the things of God. Someone who is sinless would know God’s ways and not need an explanation. It is sin that corrupts ones understanding of spiritual things. What did they not understand? That Jesus would be about His Fathers business. In this account we see Mary equal with Joseph in not understanding.



(The WORD of God was what Jesus said was more important, even than His earthly mother)

Luke 11:27-28: “And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”


There are many more scriptures, but I would be here all day posting them all.